My guess is that, like most of us, he'll defend his favorite character even in an obviously losing effort just for the sake of going down with the ship. One of the reasons I never noticed Cresh until recently was because he spent most of his time on the street/meta level debates that I usually never read. Like Spider-Man/Wolverine. I imagine that he'd find the "twisting" approach useful there when he's totally overwhelmed by people who disagree.
But when separated from having to defend his favorite character, like on that FF/X-men thread, he really got an opportunity to shine in an unbiased way. That was where I noticed his performance - free of twisting or word games that frustrated people like C-master on the more fanboyesque threads. I was genuinely impressed, so I called it as I saw it. If I saw Cresh doing twisting games or whatever, I'd call it. He didn't. It's as simple as that.
In my humble opinion, of course.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I know. It's a bit of a vicious/shame circle.People don't like me, so they will be biased against me. Then they pull the old "You're paranoid, I don't dislike anyone" trick. When in this case, denying such things as Creshosk's twisting, is evidence of bias.
-AC
So either I "admit" that I don't like you and that's why I complimented Cresh's performance, or I'm denying it and thus showing evidence of bias?
Well, I'll take my chances - I don't dislike you. You're not the only person I've had lengthy debates with. I'm in one now, and I'd never have bias against Cosmic Cube for debating for pages with him. It's silly to assume otherwise.
Now I used to think it was twisting, though I like creshosk, my biggest frustration with him was when he took what I said out of context, especially when debates were heated.
It makes me want to call him stupid when he says "so you think spiderman can kill wolverine in a hit, despite what marvel thinks." When I clearly said, " SPiderman can injure wolverine, and eventually knock him out."
Regardless he's a very intelligent and versatile debator, he's just a person who you will infinite loop with due to his method.
I actually find alpha and cresh similar in some aspects, because I will infinite loop with them, until I just agree to disagree.
Originally posted by demigawd
I imagine that he'd find the "twisting" approach useful there when he's totally overwhelmed by people who disagree.
And you view this as a good style? To twist words and worse, tell someone what their point is? Despite them telling you what it is?
The answer is "no" isn't it? Because that is idiotic.
Originally posted by demigawd
But when separated from having to defend his favorite character, like on that FF/X-men thread, he really got an opportunity to shine in an unbiased way. That was where I noticed his performance - free of twisting or word games that frustrated people like C-master on the more fanboyesque threads. I was genuinely impressed, so I called it as I saw it. If I saw Cresh doing twisting games or whatever, I'd call it. He didn't. It's as simple as that.In my humble opinion, of course.
Hahaha, that part was drenched in so much bullshit I could smell it.
"Free of twisting or word games that frustrated people like C-Master on the more fanboyesque threads. I was genuinely impressed so I called it as I saw it."
Yeah, you called it as you saw it, and you saw it with no twisting or word games. Which really makes me question your perceptive abilities.
I actually had to tell him, countless times (and you cannot deny this) what my point was. He made assumptions so many times (you cannot deny this, it's fact) that I had to tell him were wrong. He told ME what I thought. This is not word twisting? Come on now. Put the grudge aside.
I want EVERYONE to answer these questions:
Is it commendable when someone tells you what your point is to strengthen theirs, despite you continually saying "No, that's not it"?
Is it also commendable when someone twists what you mean and then tells you that you said what they said?
Creshosk did these. Fact, no denying, and you are commending him for idiocy.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Exactly, and it's blatantly obvious that he does it. So I am unaware as to why people are overlooking it. Especially since he arrived in THIS thread and did it again.People are either blind or overlooking it because they want to. The third and more disturbing option is that they view his style as a good style.
I respect the fact that we've never got along, but if you read the interaction between Cresh and I in this thread and the other one and deny any twisting on his part, you're just a biased liar. Fact. Because it's absolutely plain for any eyes to see.
"You're a liar, you have a hidden motive." "No I don't, seriously." "Lie all you want." "I know when I'm not lying." "And I know that you are."
Nah, nothing wrong there.
-AC
We don't agree often, but I don't see that as an example of us "not getting along" - we just don't agree often.
And if my bias were plain for any eyes to see, why are most eyes siding with my account?
Hey guys - am I being biased here? Unbiased eyes only, please.
It's ok C-Master, he's not gonna send you to your room if you speak against him.
The reason why the forums are full of idiots are because of these grudges. People are scared to speak out when certain people are wrong, while being biased toward others. It's bullshit.
This isn't about me wanting everyone to say "Man we agree with you on the threads." I couldn't give a shit. I'm just startled that certain people here are calling Creshosk logical and blatantly turning a blind eye to what happened in our discussion.
-AC
Originally posted by Hit_and_Miss
I would have to say Demi that you are being a little biased...
Ignore him Demi youre cool far as i can see. 😉
In that thread i didnt see anything untoward from Cresh. He just put up a better argument and presented his case in a bettr manner. Thats all it comes down to.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
And you view this as a good style? To twist words and worse, tell someone what their point is? Despite them telling you what it is?The answer is "no" isn't it? Because that is idiotic.
I don't view that as good style. And that's the issue I would have with Cresh on street level threads where he's arguing things like Wolverine vs. Spider-Man and he's biased towards Wolverine.
But that doesn't apply here because he wasn't trying to support a favorite character. He was genuinely debating. And he didn't do any of those twisting tricks.
You, on the other hand, did. Which is why I find this whole thing amusing. You're accusing Cresh of doing what your whole rep is for.
Hahaha, that part was drenched in so much bullshit I could smell it."Free of twisting or word games that frustrated people like C-Master on the more fanboyesque threads. I was genuinely impressed so I called it as I saw it."
Yeah, you called it as you saw it, and you saw it with no twisting or word games. Which really makes me question your perceptive abilities.
Except you're obviously in the minority there. So it's clearly not MY perceptive abilities that need questioning.
I actually had to tell him, countless times (and you cannot deny this) what my point was. He made assumptions so many times (you cannot deny this, it's face) that I had to tell him were wrong. He told ME what I thought. This is not word twisting? Come on now. Put the grudge aside.
No grudge. And I deny that.
I want EVERYONE to answer these questions:Is it commendable when someone tells you what your point is to strengthen theirs, despite you continually saying "No, that's not it"?
Is it also commendable when someone twists what you mean and then tells you that you said what they said?
Creshosk did these. Fact, no denying, and you are commending him for idiocy.
Except that's....not what happened. 😄
Originally posted by demigawd
I don't view that as good style. And that's the issue I would have with Cresh on street level threads where he's arguing things like Wolverine vs. Spider-Man and he's biased towards Wolverine.But that doesn't apply here because he wasn't trying to support a favorite character. He was genuinely debating. And he didn't do any of those twisting tricks.
He told me what my point was and what I was saying, you're denying this? It's on the first page for crying out loud.
Originally posted by demigawd
You, on the other hand, did. Which is why I find this whole thing amusing. You're accusing Cresh of doing what your whole rep is for.
I'm twisting nothing at all.
Originally posted by demigawd
Except you're obviously in the minority there. So it's clearly not MY perceptive abilities that need questioning.
Doesn't mean I'm wrong. It's as plain as day on that thread and while I respect people's ability to believe whatever they want, to deny he did what he did is just biased.
Originally posted by demigawd
No grudge. And I deny that.
Then you say:
Originally posted by demigawd
Except that's....not what happened. 😄
I'm over here man, with the question. Answer it. You are only proving my biased point. Because you KNOW that by saying "Yes that's wrong" you'd be saying Creshosk was wrong.
-AC
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Because it disagrees with your viewpoint? 😕
No, because this is coming from a guy who relentlessly pursued me across many threads and my PM box when I said "You don't know what you're talking about."
You dropped my name in a negative sense even when I was no longer around. Now you will deny disliking me even after this, and that's the irony.
-AC