Originally posted by Skeets
Bah!!! Avengers Thor is a notorious jobber........jockey
Spidey's pure badass......
That's easily dealt with if Thor usues the hammer correctly.....jockey
Problem with that is that Superman would literally have to let him get to use it. At the speeds Superman is capable of, Thor will appear to be standing still.
"So you want us prove why Thanos can't be beat by Superman but we can't use anything from the comics?
Is there another medium you want us to use?
If you throw out every fight in comics as PIS then what do you have left?
Marvel really doesn't have any reliabel stats written down so what else is there to use?
Is it possible that no one is jobbing to Thanos but that they simply can't beat him?
Why Supers can't beat him:
Strentgh: Thanos all the way combat feats show that as far as hittign power goes Thanos tops supes.
Speed: I've never seen Thaons move as fast as supes. However Thanos apperantly can't get speed blitzed either by surfer or nova or pretty much any of the herlads. While they might not have been going their max speed we don't know how fast they were going, mayb ethy were going faster than light but for whatever reason Thanso was able to hit them bassically all the time. You call that PIS but Thanos doesn't really seem to have many limitations when it comes to cosmic energy control.
Durability: While I don't belive that Thanos is as durable as Juggernaut, he strikes me as being far more consitently durable than Superman. Once agan the only thing we have are comic book feats.
Fighting Skills: Thanos all the way not only did he outfight Champion but he trained Gamoraa the deadliest assasin in the galaxy.
Another thing you are forgetting is that Thanos has strong mental powers. Not to mention that anything Surfer can do with the power cosmic Thanos can do with his own. In all likely hood Thanos cna just as easily drain Surfer as the other way around. "
Co-damn-sign
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"At the speeds Superman is capable of, Thor will appear to be standing still"
With or without the hammer?
Originally posted by kgkgExcept Wonder Man didn't actually hit Kyle did he? Just broke a construct or two . . . then . .he got stopped in his tracks and tossed.... by . .. Who? Yeah, Superman.
and so was Wonderman >>>>>>>>>>> GL (kyle)in that comic superman was much stonger than many heroes combined.
I don't think you can properly determine who was greater of Wonder Man and Kyle, when Wonderman never layed a finger on him.
"At the speeds Superman is capable of, Thor will appear to be standing still"With or without the hammer?
Originally posted by olympian
"At the speeds Superman is capable of, Thor will appear to be standing still"With or without the hammer?
Does it matter? I've read many Thor comics and last I remember, the hammer doesn't make Thor himself lightspeed or anywhere near it. Far from it.
Strentgh: Thanos all the way combat feats show that as far as hittign power goes Thanos tops supes.
I'd love to see what "feats" these are...
Speed: I've never seen Thaons move as fast as supes. However Thanos apperantly can't get speed blitzed either by surfer or nova or pretty much any of the herlads. While they might not have been going their max speed we don't know how fast they were going, mayb ethy were going faster than light but for whatever reason Thanso was able to hit them bassically all the time. You call that PIS but Thanos doesn't really seem to have many limitations when it comes to cosmic energy control.
All has been said in the first sentence. "Never seen Thanos move as fast as Supes." In comics a guy with boomerangs battles Flash. Does that mean the guy is faster than light? Hell no. It's made for entertainment. Realistically, speed is a great divider in battles.
Durability: While I don't belive that Thanos is as durable as Juggernaut, he strikes me as being far more consitently durable than Superman. Once agan the only thing we have are comic book feats.
Double black hole easily > Single black hole in not so great condition.
They've both fought high caliber beings and lived.
Fighting Skills: Thanos all the way not only did he outfight Champion but he trained Gamoraa the deadliest assasin in the galaxy.
Supes has beaten Mongul who basically was a Thanos clone that ended up more like Champion. A jobber. Big difference. Thanos tricked his way into victory against an idiot. No credit there.
Another thing you are forgetting is that Thanos has strong mental powers. Not to mention that anything Surfer can do with the power cosmic Thanos can do with his own. In all likely hood Thanos cna just as easily drain Surfer as the other way around. "
"In all likelyhood" doesn't count for draining or having SS same powerset. He simply hasn't been shown to be as diverse as SS. Strong mental powers are great. Superman has shown the same. The fate of the universe depending on T-vo? Sounds like a good case to me.
"If Thor isn't even fast enough to hit Spider-Man, how does he hit Superman?"
Probably the same way Thor end up hitting Moongoose.
http://img471.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor391142xp8vy.jpg
Or the same way Thor II end up hitting spiderman
http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor448041iq.jpg
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"Does it matter? I've read many Thor comics and last I remember, the hammer doesn't make Thor himself lightspeed or anywhere near it. Far from it"
So Thor with the hammer never crossed galaxies or the cosmos?
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"Supes has beaten Mongul who basically was a Thanos clone that ended up more like Champion. A jobber. Big difference. Thanos tricked his way into victory against an idiot. No credit there"
Post crisis Mongul Sr?
Hes well below Thanos strenghtwise and powerwise.
A weaker Byrne Superman who practically used none of his powers, proved to be his match.
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" Nah, Thor gives him props.
Norse Supes looks pretty cool actually."
Man, he sure likes to dress up like Thor and Hercules.
http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=week042000action761206ke.jpg
The biggest reason why I like Thanos is that he is smart and devious and not all powerful. In a toe to toe fight I would give it to Superman but what I think many people overlook in this fights is experience and intelligence. Thanos has beaten the Marvel universe 3 different times and this mean everyone from mutant to cosmic. He has outsmarted people like Galactus and Eternity so I don’t think that Superman could think up anything new to take him on.
Originally posted by Juntai
Except Wonder Man didn't actually hit Kyle did he? Just broke a construct or two . . . then . .he got stopped in his tracks and tossed.... by . .. Who? Yeah, Superman.
🙂I don't think you can properly determine who was greater of Wonder Man and Kyle, when Wonderman never layed a finger on him.
Originally posted by Juntai
Doesn't really matter, in traveling from one point to another, the Hammer kinda drags him along as he holds it in front oh him, but it doesn't do that in combat situations. In actually combat, Thor is a snail compared to Superman. There's a scan of Thor in the Thor respect thread of Thor unable to hit Mongoose in melee combat, who Spidey had tagged several times in the very same issue.
Superman's combat speed showings are iffy themselves, as they don't conclusively show just how fast him or his opponents were moving.But when we see him throwing down with the likes of speedforcers, and lightspeeders we know for good measure how fast Clark is in combat. He's consistantly FAR faster than Thor.
Originally posted by Juntai
But when we see him throwing down with the likes of speedforcers, and lightspeeders we know for good measure how fast Clark is in combat. He's consistantly FAR faster than Thor.
Originally posted by AccelNot in full swing, they use plot holes and devices. While Superman just keeps up with them. Quit trying to debase Superman's speed feats. . are you jealous of them or something? Unaided, he's shown beyond lightspeed in and out of combat, even in multiples. Something Thor could never accomplish.
Every one "throws down" with those guys, even Deathstroke and Gorilla Grodd. That's nothing new.
The way I've always viewed this issue, and others are certainly welcome to disagree, is that Thanos is consistently shown to be significantly above the likes of Silver Surfer and Thor, both of whom, I believe that even the most ardent Superman fan would agree, could give Supes a run for his money.
Now if the Silver Surfer, whom can create black holes with his discharges of energy, has a difficult time hurting Thanos, then I don't know exactly what Superman is suppose to be able to do to beat him. I mean from facing the Heralds of Galactus, to skyfathers, to elders of the Universe Thanos has faced just about everything Superman brings to the table and more.
So Thor with the hammer never crossed galaxies or the cosmos?
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So being propelled across the galaxy holding on to a hammer makes Thor faster than light speed? Adam Strange must be pretty fast then since he travels untold distances with Zeta beams.
"Supes has beaten Mongul who basically was a Thanos clone that ended up more like Champion. A jobber. Big difference. Thanos tricked his way into victory against an idiot. No credit there"
Post crisis Mongul Sr?
Hes well below Thanos strenghtwise and powerwise.
A weaker Byrne Superman who practically used none of his powers, proved to be his match.
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Ah, but I was reffering to his role in the universe. He was an undefeated fighting Champion of the universe as well.
Originally posted by TheKahn
The way I've always viewed this issue, and others are certainly welcome to disagree, is that Thanos is consistently shown to be significantly above the likes of Silver Surfer and Thor, both of whom, I believe that even the most ardent Superman fan would agree, could give Supes a run for his money.Now if the Silver Surfer, whom can create black holes with his discharges of energy, has a difficult time hurting Thanos, then I don't know exactly what Superman is suppose to be able to do to beat him. I mean from facing the Heralds of Galactus, to skyfathers, to elders of the Universe Thanos has faced just about everything Superman brings to the table and more.
Too true , plus taking Gungir to the chest and still standing is a mighty feat in it's own right. No disrespect to Superman and a single blast from that and Supes would be a pile of ash on the floor.
