Why CAN'T Superman beat Thanos??

Originally posted by Juntai
Then again, I could sucker punch Matt Hughes, the ufc champ, and probably KO him in one, if he wasn't paying me any attention or considering me a threat either.
What happend when Galactus got up?
I happen to remember him sending the punishers at Thanos, and then blasting him.

Oh, Thanos got owned fairly quickly after that. This was only meant to show what level of offensive firepower Thanos is capable of. How impressive this is to you would of course depend on how hard you think it would be to knock a reasonably well fed Galactus through the air and onto his backside.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Wrestling a near invincible Angel, and knocking down Dominus; a near eternity level being does also.

This is what I mean. Most of Thanos feats can be matched or surpassed by Superman.

Supermans get put under the microscope and people try to discredit them, Thanos doesn't even really pull a victory and it's still counted as a feat.

😕 I wasn't trying to discredit Superman in any way (I didn't even mention him in my post). I was just trying to give Juntia an example of what I consider to be one of Thanos' top offensive feats. Personally, I think that Superman is easily in the "herald" level in terms of power. However, it just appears that Thanos' durability (or perhaps invulnerability as we see the Sliver Surfer has trouble actually hurting him) that seems to but him slightly above them.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Oh, Thanos got owned fairly quickly after that. This was only meant to show what level of offensive firepower Thanos is capable of. How impressive this is to you would of course depend on how hard you think it would be to knock a reasonably well fed Galactus through the air and onto his backside.

😕 I wasn't trying to discredit Superman in any way (I didn't even mention him in my post). I was just trying to give Juntia an example of what I consider to be one of Thanos' top offensive feats. Personally, I think that Superman is easily in the "herald" level in terms of power. However, it just appears that Thanos' durability (or perhaps invulnerability as we see the Sliver Surfer has trouble actually hurting him) that seems to but him slightly above them.

Fair enough, I agree.

Originally posted by Accel
They were moving at far greater speeds than light when flying, but the slowdown occurs when they actually let he fists fly at the Sun. There's even less indication that Wonder Woman pulled out the kryptonite ring at lightspeed or that Superman threw a punch at lightspeed. There's no indication whatsoever that they were actually fighting at lightspeed, just flying to and from the Sun.

What I'm asking though is that if it only happens due to a MISTAKE, then should it really have been taken into account?

[QUOTE]What I'm asking though is that if it only happens due to a MISTAKE, then should it really have been taken into account?

It's also worth noting that in subsequent flashbacks to that battle it shows them fighting by the sun. In the superman issue afterwards he even mentions that in he was going to throw Wonderwoman into the sun.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Lemme say this. Thanos has made the most powerful conventional heroes(marvels) look like fools. He even knocked Galactus out his ship........Though Starlin depowers everyone BUT Thanos whenever he writes him. Is it me, or did Galactus only appear to be at best, 20 feet tall?? Talk about downplaying one character to make another look decent. Galactus is like 300 feet tall!! WTF Starlin?!

And Dominus was not near an Eternity level being. Probably above the top tier, due to his mental powers. But nowhere near Eternity.
If i made the thread of Arishem vs Dominus on any board, Arishem wins hands down. And Arishem is merely a lesser facet of Eternity. If he can't approach the servant, then he definitely can't approach the Source in terms of power.
DC's Kismet and Eternity may share the same role, in vague detail. But not all cosmics are created equal.
Back to the debate.....No, i don't think Superman can beat Thanos.
Written by DC though....He houses him after dropping some mental blocks, to add an air of legitimacy.

And about the whole lightspeed fight thing. I got Sacrifice. They flew at lightspeed to the sun, which is a feat in itself. I saw no exchange of blows, let alone lightspeed blows until Superman tried to throw her in, she takes out the ring and he knocks her back to earth for her troubles.

They are eternity level, or at least Dominus is near it. This is part of what I'm talking about, nobody has questioned how strong Odins blast
was. Even though Thanos lost the battle, people accept it as a feat.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I broke this down already too.
Look in your comic.
Does it have them going to the sun?
Good.
What forum are we in, and what do use as our median of conversation?

It's also worth noting that in subsequent flashbacks to that battle it shows them fighting by the sun. In the superman issue afterwards he even mentions that in he was going to throw Wonderwoman into the sun.

I honestly don't see how that can be Avy. Kismet is a lord of Order. Precrisis, Darksied had the lords of Chaos and Order scared of him. And he's highend, or was highend skyfather level at best!! Just not seeing it.

Mordru was a Lord of Chaos. Dr.Fate handled him. If Lords of Order and Chaos are relatively equal, then Kismet truly isn't that powerful. Remember, role doesn't equate power. What are her best feats??
Feats give us an idea of the range of power characters operate in.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I honestly don't see how that can be Avy. Kismet is a lord of Order. Precrisis, Darksied had the lords of Chaos and Order scared of him. And he's highend, or was highend skyfather level at best!! Just not seeing it.

Mordru was a Lord of Chaos. Dr.Fate handled him. If Lords of Order and Chaos are relatively equal, then Kismet truly isn't that powerful. Remember, role doesn't equate power. What are her best feats??
Feats give us an idea of the range of power characters operate in.

Dr Fate wasn't magically as powerful as Mordru, even Nabu was barely as powerful as Mordru and he was fighting Spectre throughout the multiverse.

Eternity has been beaten a knocked around as times itself, by people even Dr Fate like Dr Stange could match, like Dormammu.

True Jun. But Eternity fought Thanos with the Ig across multiple realities, and fared the best by far.

Alright Jun... Would you say that Dominus is near Eternity level?? Could he house a high powered Celestial like Exitar or Arishem?? I wanna see what your take on his cosmic placement is.

Originally posted by kgkg
in that comic superman was much stonger than many heroes combined.

Originally posted by Juntai
She melded with Superman to destroy Imperiex's body.

Dr Fate wasn't magically as powerful as Mordru, even Nabu was barely as powerful as Mordru and he was fighting Spectre throughout the multiverse.

Eternity has been beaten a knocked around as times itself, by people even Dr Fate like Dr Stange could match, like Dormammu.

Well said, and the big one that if she truly dies, reality dies.

"So being propelled across the galaxy holding on to a hammer makes Thor faster than light speed?"

Using the hammer? Yes it does. Hes crossed the cosmos more than once. Alone and together with Heralds.

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"Ah, but I was reffering to his role in the universe. He was an undefeated fighting Champion of the universe as well."

No comment there, he sure had the rep. But unlike Thanos he didnt proved to be on par with it.

Hes more somewhat and without underrate him too much, the Champion. More rep than necessary credit.

[QUOTE=6644407]Originally posted by olympian
[B]"So being propelled across the galaxy holding on to a hammer makes Thor faster than light speed?"

Using the hammer? Yes it does. Hes crossed the cosmos more than once. Alone and together with Heralds.

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He's dragged behind a hammer. A huge difference from fighting at those speeds.

Stupid question time. Does anybody know if Superman's ability to store solar energy has been changed since his "death?" Specifically, can he still potentially run out of solar energy during a fight?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Stupid question time. Does anybody know if Superman's ability to store solar energy has been changed since his "death?" Specifically, can he still potentially run out of solar energy during a fight?

The more stress Superman feels, the more he draws in solar energy.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Stupid question time. Does anybody know if Superman's ability to store solar energy has been changed since his "death?" Specifically, can he still potentially run out of solar energy during a fight?

Originally posted by Juntai
I've already broken this down, you're clearly extrapolating. The only information given has them moving beyond lightspeeds.

The panel-on-panel showings haven't shown otherwise, the text has stated otherwise, and you certainly haven't proved otherwise.

Originally posted by Juntai
I broke this down already too.
Look in your comic.
Does it have them going to the sun?
Good.
What forum are we in, and what do use as our median of conversation?

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
It's also worth noting that in subsequent flashbacks to that battle it shows them fighting by the sun. In the superman issue afterwards he even mentions that in he was going to throw Wonderwoman into the sun.

Originally posted by Juntai
Theoretically, he could, but now he stores and intakes vast more amounts of energy at a time. You'd have to stop him from touching sunlight at all by this point. And even then, merely stepping back in the sun for an instance has given him his powers back recently, after being drained.

That is what I thought. Thanks for clearing that up. I saw a scan to that effect in the Superman respect thread and wasn't sure if it was some kind of PIS or the result of a powerup. 👆

a lil bit of both kahnnie

How long can he store solar energy without exposure to the sun before he runs out?