Why CAN'T Superman beat Thanos??

Originally posted by Juntai
Not in full swing, they use plot holes and devices. While Superman just keeps up with them. Quit trying to debase Superman's speed feats. . are you jealous of them or something? Unaided, he's shown beyond lightspeed in and out of combat, even in multiples. Something Thor could never accomplish.

I'm just saying speedsters get tagged all the time so they're not always the best examples to use in combat speed feats. Hulk kept up with a speeding Gladiator; does this mean he can keep up with lightspeeders? Hell, no.

Flight speed and combat speed are two different things. We've seen Thor fly at three times the speed of light, but we've never seen him fight at that speed.

What I want to know is, is there any feat that definitely shows Superman fighting at speeds faster than light, or are they all vague showings that just depict him fighting in blurs?

Originally posted by Juntai
He has! Some of them more powerful than Odin no less! I'm just giving credit where it's due, Odin wields some powerful magic.

Originally posted by Accel
Then he's obviously developed a resistance to magic so Odin's blasts beng magical shouldn't make any difference whatsoever.

DAMMIT !!!

What the **** do you have to do to kill Supes ...now-a-days you ether have to immerse him in a K-nite ocean or Hit him with a reality warping burst of magic.

Originally posted by Accel
Jealous? Me? Nah. Although I am a little jealous of his ability to fly. Man, I want to be able to fly...

I'm just saying speedsters get tagged all the time so they're not always the best examples to use in combat speed feats. Hulk kept up with a speeding Gladiator; does this mean he can keep up with lightspeeders? Hell, no.

Flight speed and combat speed are two different things. We've seen Thor fly at three times the speed of light, but we've never seen him fight at that speed.

What I want to know is, is there any feat that definitely shows Superman fighting at speeds faster than light, or are they all vague showings that just depict him fighting in blurs?

Originally posted by grey fox
DAMMIT !!!

What the **** do you have to do to kill Supes ...now-a-days you ether have to immerse him in a K-nite ocean or Hit him with a reality warping burst of magic.

Another instance had him standing in a field of kryptonite laced sand, and taking a nuke.

Originally posted by TheKahn
The way I've always viewed this issue, and others are certainly welcome to disagree, is that Thanos is consistently shown to be significantly above the likes of Silver Surfer and Thor, both of whom, I believe that even the most ardent Superman fan would agree, could give Supes a run for his money.

Now if the Silver Surfer, whom can create black holes with his discharges of energy, has a difficult time hurting Thanos, then I don't know exactly what Superman is suppose to be able to do to beat him. I mean from facing the Heralds of Galactus, to skyfathers, to elders of the Universe Thanos has faced just about everything Superman brings to the table and more.

The "hyper" Surfer portrayed on this forum would own Thanos. It isn't the pansy Surfer that normally fights him. Morg alone gave Thanos a run for his money and Surfer creating a black hole wouldn't do anything to Superman either.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
The "hyper" Surfer portrayed on this forum would own Thanos. It isn't the pansy Surfer that normally fights him. Morg alone gave Thanos a run for his money and Surfer creating a black hole wouldn't do anything to Superman either.

While I agree that some individuals, sadly myself included 🙁, do have a tendency of perhaps using a version of the Surfer that simply does not exists in fights, I think it is clear that Thanos is above him in the cosmic food chain so to speak.

The reason I mentioned the black hole is not to suggest that it would be a viable battle tactic. Instead, only to demonstrate the level of power the Surfer is able to generate in his attacks, namely that one of the side effects from them is to create a quantum singularity.

Thanos' offense always seemed iffy to me, and I've read most of his appearances.
His resistance however, is off the chain.

Originally posted by Juntai
In Sacrifice just for one example, he fought Wonder Woman.
Their fight started on Earth, went to the sun, and back and fought on the ground.
It stated their whole fight took 1 minute, 58 seconds.
Note that it takes sunlight 8 minutes to reach Earth, one way.
It was going over 8 times lightspeed in that case.
Oh, and he also punched her halfway across the solar system.

Wouldn't that constitute as flight speed though? He wasn't punching her the whole time. he just flew her out, punched her back to Earth, and flew back. That's what we call "speedblitz." He wasn't executing fighting abilities there like he did in his fight against Mongul, just flying in a stright line really fast.

Originally posted by Juntai
Thanos' offense always seemed iffy to me, and I've read most of his appearances.
His resistance however, is off the chain.

Knocking down a fully fed (or close to it) Galactus has to count for something. 🙁

Originally posted by slade10
First scan here indicates that galactus is near full-power (one of the few appearances where this is the case, given that he usually encounters heros only will he needs to eat). Second scan indicates that galactus sees thanos coming. Third is self-explanatory.

Originally posted by Accel
Rucka, the writer of the issue, said that he originally planned for them to go no farther than Venus, but the artist misinterpreted and made a mistake by showing them right next to the sun.

Wouldn't that constitute as flight speed though? He wasn't punching her the whole time. he just flew her out, punched her back to Earth, and flew back. That's what we call "speedblitz." He wasn't executing fighting abilities there like he did in his fight against Mongul, just flying in a stright line really fast.

And what the writer says and what happened in the comic itself is different. So it doesn't matter what the writer intended, they went to the sun.

Originally posted by TheKahn
Knocking down a fully fed (or close to it) Galactus has to count for something. 🙁

Originally posted by Juntai
And using heat vision, but she put fingers over his eyes, pulled out a krytonite ring. They were trading blows out in front of the sun.
There was a lot more than -just- flying going on there.
And all of it took place in less time than it takes light to travel one way, so it's all relative.

And what the writer says and what happened in the comic itself is different. So it doesn't matter what the writer intended, they went to the sun.

Since the writer determines what happens in a comic, I don't see how they are different. If Greg Rucka is in charge of what the characters do and someone else makes a mistake with his story, can it really be counted?

Yes, but that fighting occurred right when they arrived at the Sun and again after they landed on Earth. That doesn't mean that they were fighting at speeds greater than light, it just means that their flights to and from the Sun were both much faster than light.

Since the writer determines what happens in a comic, I don't see how they are different. If Greg Rucka is in charge of what the characters do and someone else makes a mistake with his story, can it really be counted?

Originally posted by Juntai
That may be your interpretation. I however doubt they suddenly slowed down to 60mph to start fighting. There was no indication this ever took place. The only speed indications have them at moving far greater than light speeds.

Originally posted by Juntai
Right, but if a writer says Superman couldn't lift Jupiter, then Superman does it, does it mean he can't, since the writer said so? That's the same case here. What Rucka said was made irrelivent by the comic itself. They went to the sun, period.

Yes, but there is still no indication that they were fighting at lightspeed. They could have been fighting at ANY speeds once they arrived at the Sun. What those speeds were, however, is just speculation.

If the writer doesn't believe Superman can lift Jupiter, then he won't have Superman lifting Jupiter. Writers are the ones who decide these things and determine whether or not the feats are valid. If the writer of that fight doesn't want Superman to fly past Venus, but his artist mistakes his intentions, can the speed feat really be counted as it goes against the wishes of the writer?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Knocking down a fully fed (or close to it) Galactus has to count for something. 🙁

Wrestling a near invincible Angel, and knocking down Dominus; a near eternity level being does also.

This is what I mean. Most of Thanos feats can be matched or surpassed by Superman.

Supermans get put under the microscope and people try to discredit them, Thanos doesn't even really pull a victory and it's still counted as a feat.

Originally posted by Juntai
You're extrapolating. Do you know what that means? They moving at far greater than lightspeeds, its the only indication of the speed they were moving, there is no indication of a slowdown anywhere.Then he did it.

Originally posted by Juntai
I dunno, look at your comic, did he fly to the sun back?
Yeah?
Then he did it.

Lemme say this. Thanos has made the most powerful conventional heroes(marvels) look like fools. He even knocked Galactus out his ship........Though Starlin depowers everyone BUT Thanos whenever he writes him. Is it me, or did Galactus only appear to be at best, 20 feet tall?? Talk about downplaying one character to make another look decent. Galactus is like 300 feet tall!! WTF Starlin?!

And Dominus was not near an Eternity level being. Probably above the top tier, due to his mental powers. But nowhere near Eternity.
If i made the thread of Arishem vs Dominus on any board, Arishem wins hands down. And Arishem is merely a lesser facet of Eternity. If he can't approach the servant, then he definitely can't approach the Source in terms of power.
DC's Kismet and Eternity may share the same role, in vague detail. But not all cosmics are created equal.
Back to the debate.....No, i don't think Superman can beat Thanos.
Written by DC though....He houses him after dropping some mental blocks, to add an air of legitimacy.

And about the whole lightspeed fight thing. I got Sacrifice. They flew at lightspeed to the sun, which is a feat in itself. I saw no exchange of blows, let alone lightspeed blows until Superman tried to throw her in, she takes out the ring and he knocks her back to earth for her troubles.

Originally posted by Juntai
Except Wonder Man didn't actually hit Kyle did he? Just broke a construct or two . . . then . .he got stopped in his tracks and tossed.... by . .. Who? Yeah, Superman.
🙂

Not really GL was beat , his shield was about to break.

Clearly Superman saved him 😄