dark phoenix vs silver surfer

Started by bigbran12 pages
bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Normally Surfer tries not to kill but it was a situation where he completely let loose.
No, it was a situation where Thanos set someone up.
He didn't vaporise him at all. He vaporised Nebulas guardsman.
I should know, I posted them in the Surfer respect thread.
It wasn't Thanos at all. In fact, on the next page, Thanos told what happened. Just had to get that across.
In fact, here's the scans.
Originally posted by bigbran
Surfer, yes Surfer, owns Thanos....badly!
I bet you haven't seen this baby before.
1. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3402/silversurfer03813tj4.jpg
2. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9052/silversurfer03814rd3.jpg
3. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1854/silversurfer03815zl2.jpg
4. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8159/silversurfer03816wc8.jpg
5. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8836/silversurfer03817sb3.jpg

What happened? Lets see.

6. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9660/silversurfer03818yb4.jpg
7. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6479/silversurfer03819lf1.jpg
8. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5243/silversurfer03820ot3.jpg
PANWED!

9. http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/83/silversurfer03821ug3.jpg

Anyways, the guy that Thanos set up was a guy that he one shotted earlier in the book.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually it was a visualization of a Universe that represented the events of Here Comes Tomorrow.

The White Hot Room doesn't manifest Universes, thats more fallacy engineered by you know who.

WHR is an access point to Alternate Realities.

Just like Otherworld's Watchtower.

"From here, you Access any point in Creation"

Just like the Nexus of Realities

Thanos travelling ot the Nexus of Reality

He traverses many Universes

"I am Thanos....a unique being in Any Reality"

"The Nexus of Reality from HERE Springs ALL That Is."

Just wanted to clear that up.

I meant, she was only able to do it, because of the place she was in.
Plus, were those beings able to hold universes in there hands? No, because it's not the same place.

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by bigbran
Plus, were those beings able to hold universes in there hands? No, because it's not the same place.

Neither did Jean.

celestialdemon Down from the Upside
Originally posted by Ext@nt
Normally Surfer tries not to kill but it was a situation where he completely let loose.

But Thanos shrugged off Surfer's attack when he was beating Surfer to death. I doubt Surfer was holding back then.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Mr Master
Neither did Jean.
Don't care, I'm just saying, that it wasn't exactly the same thing.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by celestialdemon
But Thanos shrugged off Surfer's attack when he was beating Surfer to death. I doubt Surfer was holding back then.
Look at the top of this page.

celestialdemon Down from the Upside
Originally posted by Mr Master

Sweet sig, Mr. M.

Ext@nt Restricted

Still Jean has been killed and the Phoenix Force wounded by Warships with less firepower then Surfer.

celestialdemon Down from the Upside
Originally posted by bigbran
Look at the top of this page.

I saw it. Posted that comment before I saw that pic.

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by bigbran
Don't care, I'm just saying, that it wasn't exactly the same thing.

There is absolutely NO difference between the WHR and Otherworld's WatchTower.

The Nexus of Realities is where Creation springs from according to Jim Starlin.

The White Hot Room is Grant Morrison's starting point.

Who would you agree with, Grant who never uses Cosmics except for the Phoenix Force.

Or Starlin the premiere word on Marvel Cosmology, who uses EVERYONE?

Mr Master Junior Member
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Sweet sig, Mr. M.

ya, I luv it.

Props to Inhuman, its creator.

darthgoober Senior Member

Alright, I'm sorry but this has gone on long enough. DP wins this one.

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Its not obvious,

Mr M and I have posted lots of evidence to counter these points which people seem to love to forget.


Look, if he's the only one your going to believe, PM Mr. Master and ask him who'd win in a fight between DP and Surfer. I can guarantee you that he'll tell you DP, because I know for a fact that he places Phoenix right below Eternity on the cosmic ladder. Did you not notice he never actually thought Surfer would win? He just pointed out where he disagreed with that other guy.

Post evidence to back it up or stay out of a fight where you don't belong.[/B]

Okey Dokey. Well here we have a battle between Firelord and Phoenix...


Notice in the second scan, he equates her attack with one from Thor. Now just so there's no question about her abilities to withstand attacks DURING A FIGHT...


Look at the narration box at the top of the first panel. Notice the words "Shakes off the blast like it were nothing". Now Surfer is undoubtedly more powerful than Firelord, but not such a degree that he would be able to destroy in one blast, someone who Firelord couldn't phase. If you think about, Phoenix had a much easier time with Firelord than Surfer does.
In the time I've been on here I've seen people try their damnest to show proof in the form of comic events and scans to back up their arguements and all they get in return is crap from people who think Phoenix is unbeatable.[/B]

I don't think she's unbeatable, I just think that she's unbeatable by someone like Surfer, barring Plot Device or PIS.

The only offensive feats Phoenix has on panel is that it turned a tree into gold, held some x-men in the air and messed with Masterminds head which he recovered from, and it took a shot at Galactus which didn't even take him down. [/B]

Well as I've already shown those aren't her ONLY offensive feats. Also, the fact that the Galactus fight was never really finished, she would have won if it had continued. I might also add, that Rachels showing against Galactus was MUCH BETTER than Surfers showings against the same.
The Phoenix's function in the universe is not an offensive one. And the Avatar is quite vulnerable to attack as has been proven many many times in the comics in ways both canon and non. [/B]

Your right. Her purpose is defensive and healing. None of that changes the fact that she can kick his ass.
[/i]Surfer's blasts are more then capable of killing Jean and wounding the Phoenix force. Try to remember he vaporized thanos in one shot.[/B]

bigbran already addressed this so I won't bother.
[/i]Im sure none of you will listen to anything I've said and just repeat the same rethoric you have before. [/B]

I HAVE provided proof. And I'm NOT a fanboy. I just know that DP wins this fight no problem. Surfers a bad dude, but Dark Phoenix is on a whole nother level.

I'm not trying to dog you or anything, cause we're team mates and all, but there's NO WAY Surfer wins this in a strait up fight. She WANTED to be killed by that Shiar laser, and EVERYONE(even Thanos) jobbs to Wolverines claws. In a fight where she DOESN'T want to lose, Surfer can't win.

Ext@nt Restricted

Well you consider Wolverine killing Dark Phoenix Jobber and PIS.

I consider Phoenix jumping Galactus in a fight Jobber and PIS.

During the Phoenix Endsong the Shi-ar wounded the Phoenix once and killed her the second time forcing her to go to white crown mode.

In the Ultraverse cross-over the bird was again wounded do to a blast from a vessel.

Surfer has kicked Firelords asses so many times I've lost count. Surfer has also gone toe to toe with Thor.

Surfer is more then capable of killing the avatar and thats all he has to do since it renders the bird inert and then he can wound it to his hearts content.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Well you consider Wolverine killing Dark Phoenix Jobber and PIS.

I consider Phoenix jumping Galactus in a fight Jobber and PIS.


The difference is that her beating Galactus doesn't contradict her role as a universal healer/protector, while the Wolverine thing DOES. So which sounds more like PIS.

Originally posted by Ext@nt Surfer has kicked Firelords asses so many times I've lost count. Surfer has also gone toe to toe with Thor. [/B]

As I said, Phoenix had a much easier time with Firelord than any of times Surfer's beaten him(and Firelord DOES have at least one win against Surfer also).

Originally posted by Ext@nt Surfer is more then capable of killing the avatar and thats all he has to do since it renders the bird inert and then he can wound it to his hearts content. [/B]

Yes he's perfectly capable of killing an avatar that WANTS to die, and is not fighting back to her fullest. By the same token, Spiderman could kill Surfer if Surfer were in his Human state(he's not really human, but he looks that way when he drops the silver coating), but if Surfers armored and fighting back it's a bit of a different story now isn't it?

As I said, PM Mr. Master if he's the only one you'll believe.

Ext@nt Restricted

Really, well those starships which killed her and wounded the phoenix force must be PIS as well.

I guess anything that harms the great jobber bird must be PIS.

And no, you can shout me down by mass posting against me and since im not some freak like the Phoenix Fanboys or that David Richards creep. I wont go nuts, But you will never convince me that SS cannot take down something which Wolverine and a couple of starships have, and she didnt allow any of them ethier.

So save us all the time and trouble and don't bother. This is my last post on the subject.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Ext@nt
But you will never convince me that SS cannot take down something which Wolverine and a couple of starships have, and she didnt allow any of them ethier.
Do you realize that Wolverine is below, or slightly higher than Spiderman? Yes. Now Phoenix is way higher than Firelord. Yes.
So that would be Spiderman vs Firelord x 10.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Ext@nt
Really, well those starships which killed her and wounded the phoenix force must be PIS as well.

I guess anything that harms the great jobber bird must be PIS.


Hey, Surfer has had plenty of PIS showings as well. Against Iron Man, Vision, The Human Torch, Spiderman, the list goes on. The point is that Surfers established power level puts him above that. Just like Phoenix's.

Originally posted by Ext@nt And no, you can shout me down by mass posting against me and since im not some freak like the Phoenix Fanboys or that David Richards creep. I wont go nuts, But you will never convince me that SS cannot take down something which Wolverine and a couple of starships have, and she didnt allow any of them ethier. [/B]

Look, Surfer's been put down by a brick before, that doesn't mean it was right. And Spiderman has beaten Firelord, and that wasn't right either. All characters have bad showings, that's just comics for you. Phoenix's level of power is right under that of Eternity(once again you can ask Mr. Master), and that puts her WAAAAY out of Surfers league.

tiakocom Senior Member

Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey, Surfer has had plenty of PIS showings as well. Against Iron Man, Vision, The Human Torch, Spiderman, the list goes on. The point is that Surfers established power level puts him above that. Just like Phoenix's.

Look, Surfer's been put down by a brick before, that doesn't mean it was right. And Spiderman has beaten Firelord, and that wasn't right either. All characters have bad showings, that's just comics for you. Phoenix's level of power is right under that of Eternity(once again you can ask Mr. Master), and that puts her WAAAAY out of Surfers league.

there's no talkin to that guy he just hates phoenix...i think he has some kinda obssesion with her he wont be happy till he hears everyone sayin phoenix lose, jus look at all the phoenix threads here and im sure you'll see him there makin a fool of himself heck im sure next he's gonna say that batman can beat phoenix to 🙂

jffxex1980 Senior Member

Extant.....just cuz you hate the PF doesn't mean your irrational thoughts have to miscloud your judgement. You are obviously a SS fanboy. FYI, the PF is made up of pure psionic energy and taps on future life forces to take up its shape. It's one of the fundamentals of the universe. She is the creator and destroyer. DP, the dark persona of Jean is a lot more powerful than you think. AND killing the avatar is a hell a lot harder than you think. This is DP we are talking about who has no morals whatsoever and YOU know damn well that a laser turret wouldn't have phased her if JEAN didn't hold the PF for a split second. Her love for her friends have been her downfall. NOW, if this was a holds no bar with no factors involved, you honestly think, SS's beams and speed are gonna do jack shit to her? She is far too powerful for him. TK is a very, very versatile power. In addition, she'll be attacking him in many ways possible. Added with her TP, I highly doubt he'd win. In a fair fight, telepaths always win regardless if you have super speed and such as. The speed of thought is faster than speed blitzing. It transcends through time and space.

Roldz MAJIN_OVERLORD

Sorry man but your kinda wrong about some of what you say.. First Phoenix never created or destroyed any Universe yet, manipulated yes and being one of the fundumental forces of the Universe yes.. when it comes to SS, Superman, Flash or the likes speed blitzing owns telepathic attacks. Also its the other way around, trancend through time and space i mean, SOFL not TP... I do see where Extant is coming from dough, she has lost to many times w/out morals, but non jobbing PF curbstomp SS 10/10

juggernaut66666 Legendary

Originally posted by jffxex1980
Extant.....just cuz you hate the PF doesn't mean your irrational thoughts have to miscloud your judgement. You are obviously a SS fanboy. FYI, the PF is made up of pure psionic energy and taps on future life forces to take up its shape. It's one of the fundamentals of the universe. She is the creator and destroyer. DP, the dark persona of Jean is a lot more powerful than you think. AND killing the avatar is a hell a lot harder than you think. This is DP we are talking about who has no morals whatsoever and YOU know damn well that a laser turret wouldn't have phased her if JEAN didn't hold the PF for a split second. Her love for her friends have been her downfall. NOW, if this was a holds no bar with no factors involved, you honestly think, SS's beams and speed are gonna do jack shit to her? She is far too powerful for him. TK is a very, very versatile power. In addition, she'll be attacking him in many ways possible. Added with her TP, I highly doubt he'd win. In a fair fight, telepaths always win regardless if you have super speed and such as. The speed of thought is faster than speed blitzing. It transcends through time and space.

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