Original Abomination (at that time, he first appeared) vs. Classic Juggernaut

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Juggernaut being original Abominations strength ain't silly. Juggernaut at his full classic stenth level was a match in strength for the WWH, who when enraged was at a higher level of strength than Original Abomination. And in Hulk #270 the Hluk was far more powerful than he was in his 1st fight with Abomination in Tales to Astonish, otherwise the initial beating he received from Abomination, in Hulk 270 would have at least rendered him unconscious. All the fights that Hulk had with Abomination, when Emil was at 100ton strength level, should have been very 1 sided in favour of the Hulk as his anger would quickly raise his strength to a much higher level than Abominations. They were always shown to be even though for the purpose of the story

Hulk was facing more than just the Juggernaut's strength; he was also having to deal with the "unstoppability".

In Hulk #270, despite his increase in power over the years, despite his fury over the genocide perpetrated by Abomination, the Hulk was rendered nearly unconscious by a few hits.

In JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #112, Hulk and Thor were evenly matched. (That fight occured before ASTONISH #90.) If there was a big difference in Hulk's power level over the years, you would expect him to overpower Thor with ease. But no. Thor's strength continues to rival Hulk's in their battles.

Classic Juggernaut compared his strength to Thor's. Juggernaut and Thor have never come close to kayoing Hulk with a few hits, much less leaving him dying on the ground. Even when he disguised himself so Merged Hulk would hold back, it took Juggernaut some time to defeat Hulk.

At his normal level, Abomination once punched it out with the Hulk until both were on the brink of unconsciousness. He was able to go toe-to-toe with Hulk who was angry over Betty being "hurt"... and it could be argued that Abomination had the advantage prior to taunting Hulk about her death. Thor and Juggernaut are not twice as strong as someone who is able to match a very enraged Hulk.

And, sorry, "all the fights were PIS" is not a valid argument.

Originally posted by strengthkills
It would be Emil smacking Juggs around for the whole comic,except Juggs wouldnt be KOD.

The thing is that Emil doesn't have infinite stamina. Whether he is stronger than Juggs or not is moot. The only facts that are needed are:

1. Juggs have unlimited stamina
2. Emil can't hurt Juggs

With that said, Emil at least losses due to the time factor (not having unlimited stamina). Cased closed.

Originally posted by h1a8
The thing is that Emil doesn't have infinite stamina. Whether he is stronger than Juggs or not is moot. The only facts that are needed are:

1. Juggs have unlimited stamina
2. Emil can't hurt Juggs

With that said, Emil at least losses due to the time factor (not having unlimited stamina). Cased closed.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Emil won't be smacking sh!t around. WWHulk couldn't smack Juggy around Emil isn't gonna be anytime soon.

WWH versus Original Strength Emil would have been the best battle in that series.

Juggs strength isnt up there with either,his enchantments keep him competitive.

Originally posted by strengthkills
WWH versus Original Strength Emil would have been the best battle in that series.

Juggs strength isnt up there with either,his enchantments keep him competitive.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Original strength Emil was crying for help against Hulk. Juggernaut managed to knock WWHulk around in their battle. WWHulk himself and others have stated that he's stronger than ever and whatever happened in the past is dead, and that includes their battle in issue #270.

Yet Juggernaut has never managed to defeat the Hulk or even come close with only a few hits.

What could hurt Abomination here is that he had built up in his mind that he was invincible at his original level of power. Juggernaut ranges from more durable than his peers to invulnerable. Abomination's confidence may waver at the sight of Juggernaut withstanding his assault.

Or maybe not, since it's happened once before.

The only way I see either truly winning this is if BFR is not allowed. Then Juggernaut's durability and force field would enable him to endure Abomination's attacks until Abomination dropped from exhaustion.

Juggs wins. No arguements, no backtalk, no other way this can end. Juggernaut cannot lose this match.

This is a spite thread done by a schmuck who thinks that Hercules and Hulk can beat Juggs in a slugfest.

This fight ends with one or the other removed from the field. Abomination can quickly return by leaping. Juggernaut doesn't do that so most likely either he "loses" by BFR or "wins" when Abomination leaves.

Abomination would defeat Hercules rather easily.

This fight ends with Abomination lying on the floor with severe head trauma.

Nah. It ends with Juggernaut punched from New Mexico to New York.

Trick,shutup and you to Juggs.

Juggs gets slapped around like a two-dollar whore,only thing keeping this competitive is his invulnerability.Hulk and OS Abom act on a whole different plane of strength than Juggy.

Hulk stopped Juggs(when motivated and out to beat Hulk) dead in his tracks,nuff sAID.