Originally posted by batdude123
Tell me something… I realize that Apocalypse can alter his size and shape, but can he actually transmute the iron in his blood? If not, then he’s screwed, because it can be manipulated and falls subject to Erik’s power.
He can transmutate his whole body if he wants to.
Here he creates a cure for Pestilence’s deadly touch from his body, and injects it into his horsemen. This shows he can transmute his body by creating a liquid cure from it.
Morphs hand into machine gun w/bullets. Again transmutes his body into metal (gun/bullets).
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He can transmutate his whole body if he wants to.Here he creates a cure for Pestilence’s deadly touch from his body, and injects it into his horsemen. This shows he can transmute his body by creating a liquid cure from it.
Morphs hand into machine gun w/bullets. Again transmutes his body into metal (gun/bullets).
There's no transmutation going on in the scans you provided.
The first you showed just has him injecting them with the antidote. No mentioning of transmutation anywhere.
The second one you showed is nothing but Apocalypse using his technology to shoot some guy.
Tell me when you actually have a scan of Apocalypse morphing his body at a subatomic level. Only then will I believe you.
Originally posted by batdude123
The first you showed just has him injecting them with the antidote. No mentioning of transmutation anywhere.
If you look, you can see him transforming his arms to inject them with the cure. Now, where do you think the antidote came from? Keeping it in his suit? No. He can't do that, because his "suit" is just molecules moved around and changed to suit him, therefor his costume is part of his body. So the antidote came straight from his body, and he would have had to transmutate his body to create it.
Originally posted by batdude123
The second one you showed is nothing but Apocalypse using his technology.
He doesn't fire the ordinary energy blasts, but bullets. Suggesting he can create mass for himself/self generating mass or draw on extra-dimensional mass. And transmutes his body into metal to "turn the mass into bullets".
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Btw, where was that 2nd scan from? Apoc vs. Drac?
Yes.
For all the shitty writing in Apoc vs. Drac, it's about time they gave Apoc a great costume.
And before you start arguing about whether or not he was using bullets, batdude, note the sound effect. "Blam!": used primarily when guns are being fired. And note that his right arm is morphed into a gun, and the left is normal. You can tell by the elbow joint and the gun moving with his arm being raised in the 2nd panel. Finally, the 'technology' is gone in the last panel, and his right arm is back.
Conclusion: Apocalypse morphed his arm into a gun and fired bullets generated by extradimensional means or from his own body mass. Either way, it means he has the ability to morph his body at the molecular, and possibly sub-atomic level. Not to mention he could just as easily give himself that superpower via his molecular control.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He doesn't fire the ordinary energy blasts, but bullets. Suggesting he can create mass for himself/self generating mass or draw on extra-dimensional mass. And transmutes his body into metal to "turn the mass into bullets".
There was nothing in the scan to indicate that he was transmuting anything. The only thing shown was him firing a huge ass gun, which could have been the result of a number of things; namely, his technology.
Extrapolating that he transmuted his arm into a gun loaded with bullets is faulty logic, as it is never truly shown that way.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Finally, the 'technology' is gone in the last panel, and his right arm is back.
Um, no. The gun did not transform back into his normal arm. You can see the outline of it, and on top of that, he has no hand. It's still there, but he's in a shadow and it's from a weird angle, so I can understand why you made that mistake.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash
If you look, you can see him transforming his arms to inject them with the cure. Now, where do you think the antidote came from? Keeping it in his suit? No. He can't do that, because his "suit" is just molecules moved around and changed to suit him, therefor his costume is part of his body. So the antidote came straight from his body, and he would have had to transmutate his body to create it.
In the first panel of that scan, all that's shown from Apocalypse were his legs. Any number of things he could've done while off panel. Again, you're extrapolating something that was not shown or even mentioned. Which is yet again, faulty logic. If the writer indended it to be that way, he would have made it more clear, but this is VERY ambiguous.
Apocalypse has never transmuted his body into liquid before.
Magneto wins this, because even if Apocalypse can transmute his body at a point more intricate than at a molecular level, Erik still has more options, and is more powerful.
Ok, now I think you're being facetious. Where did he get the antidote from? He injected them via his arms. As Ash said, his suit didn't hold it. His costume is created via his molecular control. Thus, we are left to conclude he created the antidote from his own body. It's simple logic given his powers and that it was his own body acting as the medium for the injection.
As for the 2nd scan, you're wrong. You're outright wrong. It's painfully obvious the gun is his arm morphed via his powers. Observe the elbow joint, the gears, the fact that the gun looks like his body, and the fact that he has morphed his arms into weapons before.
Ash, can you post some more scans? It's obvious we need to establish a pattern.
Edit: Magneto is plainly outclassed. Apocalypse can give himself any physical super power in existence. He has TP and TK greater than Xavier and Exodus. He's stronger, faster, and more durable. He has molecular control of his own body. He can even infect mags with a technorganic virus. Apoc has the greater number of options and greater power.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, now I think you're being facetious. Where did he get the antidote from? He injected them via his arms. As Ash said, his suit didn't hold it. His costume is created via his molecular control. Thus, we are left to conclude he created the antidote from his own body. It's simple logic given his powers and that it was his own body acting as the medium for the injection.
You're basing his transmutation on an ambiguous scan of him pulling out some antidote. For all we know, he could have had it in his hand from the first panel. All we see of him is his legs, and nothing else.
Get me something more concrete, and then we can move on from there.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
As for the 2nd scan, you're wrong. You're outright wrong. It's painfully obvious the gun is his arm morphed via his powers. Observe the elbow joint, the gears, the fact that the gun looks like his body, and the fact that he has morphed his arms into weapons before.
The gun could very well be his arm morphed, however, what exactly makes you think that the "bullets" were made of metal? They were more than likely fragments of his own body used as the projectiles.
Again, something more concrete would be nice.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Edit: Magneto is plainly outclassed. Apocalypse can give himself any physical super power in existence. He has TP and TK greater than Xavier and Exodus. He's stronger, faster, and more durable. He has molecular control of his own body. He can even infect mags with a technorganic virus. Apoc has the greater number of options and greater power.
And Magneto can basically manipulate an endless array of energy all around the globe, because electromagnetic energy is in pretty much everything. He can also manipulate more than em energy as well. Telepathy wouldn't mean much in this fight, and Magneto can lift far more with his magnetokinesis.... like when he lifted Avalon M and hurled it into space. Apoc is stronger, sure, but that doesn't make any kind of a difference in this fight. Apoc sure as hell isn't faster, and he doesn't have better reflexes either. Durability shouldn't matter either, because of Erik's shields.
Magneto's power base is larger, and more diverse. Have you ever seen Apoc do something like creating a wormhole, or creating a planet-wide electromagnetic pulse to disable every single machine on the planet, or manipulating OTHERS on a subatomic level, or sucking the life energy out of the Phoenix?
Magneto wins.