On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by Robtard
You're military argument is severely flawed, not everyone is capable of being in the military. Some people are either mentally incapable and/or physically incapable of serving, but that doesn't mean they cannot be patriots. Taxes are the fuel of the military, without the masses of non-military shmoo's out there paying taxes, no military would exist. In my opinion, if you're a citizen and you pay taxes,you should be allowed to vote.

I am with you on the education part though, far to many uneducated people out there who's vote can be bought with a single empty bias promise. Just not sure how the education standard would be set.

Sorry to take the debate way off track people... Back to Gods & Gays...

Its not like there has been any good developments in this thread.

Whats so flawed with my argument? If there was an exception clause to allow those physically(mental illness included) incapable of serving, (I didn't mention that), I think its fine. Nations like Isreal have mandatory service policies.

I think minimum two and a half years non-combat is a great idea. 6 months boot camp, two years service. The combat troops can still be an all volunteer force.

Originally posted by Alliance
Thats why the ability to vote should depend on two things...military service and education.

That would just end up with soldiers who don't support the war they're fighting.

Read the last paragraph of my above post.

Voting is not till November!Why talk about it now?jm

Because its an issue?

Originally posted by Alliance
Because its an issue?

Then start a new thread for it

Its more fun to derail a (currently) pointless thread.

It was not pointless till you change the topic.jm

I actually wish there were more religous conservatives on here to argue with.

You are talking to one right now.jm

I meant intelligent ones, if there is such a thing

Originally posted by dani_california
I meant intelligent ones, if there is such a thing

Fece is self-described intelligent.

Ahh...a somewhat logical argument. But its more like you are paying for the protection of the county, not so much for a right to participate.

To be honest I am torn. I believe in a democratic nation people should be legally required to vote - that is it should be compulsory for anyone qualifying to vote.

Though it does send chills down my spine the number of uneducated, or incorrectly informed people who vote. Democracy isn't a perfect system. It would be nice if there was a greater criteria by which a persons right to vote could rest one (other then age. I was good at 18, other people... not so good. In maturity stakes anyway.)

But what could it be?

Money/Land - Not nice at all.

Race - horrible.

Education - Sounds like the best, but difficult to define .

Military Service - Could have potential, but then there are statistical problems some perceive - such as where many soldiers fall on a political scale, the amount of education, the influence of ecumbent government.

Lottery - I always found this interesting. Instead of large scale voting at each election a set number of people (say 7000) are randomly selected - they vote. Just them. Then next election a different 7000 are drawn and so on.

And so on.

Originally posted by dani_california
I meant intelligent ones, if there is such a thing

Not on here but I am one never the less.jm 😉

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
To be honest I am torn. I believe in a democratic nation people should be legally required to vote - that is it should be compulsory for anyone qualifying to vote.

Though it does send chills down my spine the number of uneducated, or incorrectly informed people who vote. Democracy isn't a perfect system. It would be nice if there was a greater criteria by which a persons right to vote could rest one (other then age. I was good at 18, other people... not so good. In maturity stakes anyway.)

But what could it be?

Money/Land - Not nice at all.

Race - horrible.

Education - Sounds like the best, but difficult to define .

Military Service - Could have potential, but then there are statistical problems some perceive - such as where many soldiers fall on a political scale, the amount of education, the influence of ecumbent government.

Lottery - I always found this interesting. Instead of large scale voting at each election a set number of people (say 7000) are randomly selected - they vote. Just them. Then next election a different 7000 are drawn and so on.

And so on.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Not on here but I am one never the less.jm 😉

Whatever you say!JM 🙄

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
To be honest I am torn. I believe in a democratic nation people should be legally required to vote - that is it should be compulsory for anyone qualifying to vote.

Though it does send chills down my spine the number of uneducated, or incorrectly informed people who vote. Democracy isn't a perfect system. It would be nice if there was a greater criteria by which a persons right to vote could rest one (other then age. I was good at 18, other people... not so good. In maturity stakes anyway.)

But what could it be?

Money/Land - Not nice at all.

Race - horrible.

Education - Sounds like the best, but difficult to define .

Military Service - Could have potential, but then there are statistical problems some perceive - such as where many soldiers fall on a political scale, the amount of education, the influence of ecumbent government.

Lottery - I always found this interesting. Instead of large scale voting at each election a set number of people (say 7000) are randomly selected - they vote. Just them. Then next election a different 7000 are drawn and so on.

And so on.

Lottery would be a horrible idea, it would be corrupt and unfair from the start... Look what happened in Florida in 2000, that was a debacle filled with corruption and that was supposed to be a fair voting system, just imagine if voting was made by 'random' slection, there would be no randomness about it, the jackles would move in and take control.

limiting who can vote to those who serve in the military would deny people of certain religions the right to vote and limiting it to the educated would leave the poor out.