Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) The quote clearly says the homosexual person should be put to death2) If a homosexual stopped his/her homosexual acts, he or she would STILL be homosexual. Attractions and preference determine your orientation, not your actions. GAy men marry women every day to keep thier sexuality closetted...they are not straight just because they engage in heterosexuality.
3) I dislike the threat presented here. That me having sex with other men will be punished by death...
* uhm, the laws of Moses are kinda obsolete, my friend... the verse you gave was taken from the book of Leviticus...
Originally posted by Alliance
The people. Besides, since many religious organizations have their heads up their arses about homosexuality and the biology behind it, does it really matter? They fail on both fronts.
* then, those religious organizations are not of-God...
"Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God."
I Corinthians 6:9-11
* i don't see homosexuals being condemned... only they're acts... if they leave their sinful acts, they are candidates for salvation... 😉
Originally posted by peejayd
i don't see homosexuals being condemned... only they're acts... if they leave their sinful acts, they are candidates for salvation... 😉
Your "they are not of-God" argument fails miserably. Its never worked before. Only zealots claim they have a monopoly on abstract concepts.
Besides that, most "sins" aren't punishble by death. EVERY instance in the bible that mentions homosexuality states that death is the punishment. THats against homosexuals.
Besides that, its against homosexuals because sexuality is not a choice. Does the "they are black because they are sinners" argument ring any hisotrical bells?
ONCE again, religion FAILS to be on the moral side of socail issues. ONCE again, people of your narrow opinon will die out and in the future, some new zealot will call you "not a true-Christian" because you are intolerant of homosexuals. The Bible will be reinterpreted a different way AGAIN, and zealots will still claim a literal interpretation.
Honsetly, some people NEVER get it.
Originally posted by Alliance
Your "they are not of-God" argument fails miserably. Its never worked before. Only zealots claim they have a monopoly on abstract concepts.
Besides that, most "sins" aren't punishble by death. EVERY instance in the bible that mentions homosexuality states that death is the punishment. THats against homosexuals.
Besides that, its against homosexuals because sexuality is not a choice. Does the "they are black because they are sinners" argument ring any hisotrical bells?
ONCE again, religion FAILS to be on the moral side of socail issues.
ONCE again, people of your narrow opinon
will die out and in the future, some new zealot will call you "not a true-Christian" because you are intolerant of homosexuals. The Bible will be reinterpreted a different way AGAIN, and zealots will still claim a literal interpretation.
Honsetly, some people NEVER get it.
Originally posted by peejayd
* uhm, the laws of Moses are kinda obsolete, my friend... the verse you gave was taken from the book of Leviticus...
Irrelevant....
Why were those laws there in the first place ? It was okay to murder Gays back then, but its wrong now ?
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And if its obsolete, then why is it still in the Bible ? It seems most of the Bible is obsolete....why bother with most of it ?
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Irrelevant....Why were those laws there in the first place ? It was okay to murder Gays back then, but its wrong now ?
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And if its obsolete, then why is it still in the Bible ? It seems most of the Bible is obsolete....why bother with most of it ?
It's wrong now since Jesus came and changed the rules.
Probably to make the Jews happy, after all, it is their book in the first place.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's wrong now since Jesus came and changed the rules.Probably to make the Jews happy, after all, it is their book in the first place.
That's not far from the truth. Acording to the Koran, Jesus (one of God's favorite prophets) was sent as mentor to the Jews and steer them in the right direction.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Irrelevant....Why were those laws there in the first place ? It was okay to murder Gays back then, but its wrong now ?
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And if its obsolete, then why is it still in the Bible ? It seems most of the Bible is obsolete....why bother with most of it ?
This is one of the main reasons Gideon Bibles are so popular. It prevents people from getting caught up in the details and seeing the big picture first. The details can then be delved into as we become stronger in faith and grow in the fruits of the Spirit.
Originally posted by Nellinator
Well, I think it is important to know about because it shows how Jesus is the fulfillment of the Messiah. However, because most of it is obsolete we shouldn't get caught up in the details.This is one of the main reasons Gideon Bibles are so popular. It prevents people from getting caught up in the details and seeing the big picture first. The details can then be delved into as we become stronger in faith and grow in the fruits of the Spirit.
How can something morally obsolete be morally relevant ?
Originally posted by Nellinator
However, because most of it is obsolete we shouldn't get caught up in the details.
Obsolete? Its hardly obsolete. Its a very real issue to very many people. Your 2000 year old laws are obsolete. Then how come you still use them to justify discrimination?
Isn't god just changing his mind?
Originally posted by Alliance
I'm sure Christ did his fair share of bad things.
HE never committed genocide, he never murdered egyptian babies, he never sent out plagues, he never destroyed two cities, he never killed intelligent animals, he never sent anyone to Hell....
God did...(according to the myth)