On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by supdude
[b]ERRONEOUS!

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TAUTOLOGY has every place within an argument!! Specifically when people keep on ignoring the simple RATIONALE and LOGICAL arguments being made.

I have PROOF that god's LOVE is PERFECT...through his sacrafice on the CROSS. you may not accept it as PROOF..but its still PROOF none the less.

Firstly..why in the HELL would a creature that was sending you to HELL GREET YOU instead of CONDEMN YOU?!!! 😆 😆

Your Friggin Rediculous dude....

Now since you have once again tautologically presented your arguments..I will go ahead and once AGAIN TAUTOLOGICALLY present mine to you, without trying to pretend that I'M NOT PRESENTING THEM TAUTOLOGICALLY.

God is RIGHTEOUS, but he is also MERCIFUL. EVERYONE DESERVES TO GO TO HELL DUDE[b]. Be they a LIAR, a PEDOPHILE, a dude who likes DRAGQUEENS. ALL have fell short and are not worthy of receiving the EMBODYMENT of GOD'S LOVE.

Aint no human joe bro who don't deserve to escape the hell blow..ya know?

But GOD, being MERCIFUL..has provided a way for all to avoid HELL. That WAY, TRUTH, AND LIFE is called JESUS CHRIST.

So the only people who are going to be in HELL, are those who REJECT CHRIST dude. AND those who reject Christ are truly STUPID, cause the dude is truly the EMBODYMENT OF LOVE, their aint nothing bad about him. its really a no brainer dude. ONLY an idiot would not want to be with someone who was all loving. So now another question for you.. WHY do you REJECT CHRIST and his obvious devinity and sacrafice...knowing that he is indeed as you put it "loving"

Why did you quote me ?

I never said that ❌

Originally posted by supdude
[b]ERRONEOUS!

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TAUTOLOGY has every place within an argument!! Specifically when people keep on ignoring the simple RATIONALE and LOGICAL arguments being made.

I have PROOF that god's LOVE is PERFECT...through his sacrafice on the CROSS. you may not accept it as PROOF..but its still PROOF none the less.[/B]

really I had no idea I could use logical fallacies in a real argument as evidence

so now I will start

all your views on God as stated thus far are irrational, baseless and stupid so anything you continue to say is meaningless because you are insane

argument ended by tautology

Originally posted by supdude
[b]ERRONEOUS!
Firstly..why in the HELL would a creature that was sending you to HELL GREET YOU instead of CONDEMN YOU?!!! 😆 😆

Your Friggin Rediculous dude....

Now since you have once again tautologically presented your arguments..I will go ahead and once AGAIN TAUTOLOGICALLY present mine to you, without trying to pretend that I'M NOT PRESENTING THEM TAUTOLOGICALLY.

God is RIGHTEOUS, but he is also MERCIFUL. EVERYONE DESERVES TO GO TO HELL DUDE[b]. Be they a LIAR, a PEDOPHILE, a dude who likes DRAGQUEENS. ALL have fell short and are not worthy of receiving the EMBODYMENT of GOD'S LOVE.

Aint no human joe bro who don't deserve to escape the hell blow..ya know?

But GOD, being MERCIFUL..has provided a way for all to avoid HELL. That WAY, TRUTH, AND LIFE is called JESUS CHRIST.

So the only people who are going to be in HELL, are those who REJECT CHRIST dude. AND those who reject Christ are truly STUPID, cause the dude is truly the EMBODYMENT OF LOVE, their aint nothing bad about him. its really a no brainer dude. ONLY an idiot would not want to be with someone who was all loving. So now another question for you.. WHY do you REJECT CHRIST and his obvious devinity and sacrafice...knowing that he is indeed as you put it "loving"

I don't use tautology that I'm aware of

So let me get this straight unless I agree with you and accept Jesus I will be tortured eternally by love?

let me give you this postulate of equal validity

the world is controled by a 14 Japanese girl with ADD who will tortue you for eternity if you don't believe shes god? I have now given you as much evidence for my belief as you have for yours

Originally posted by Nellinator
For the part I did not quote, I have made it clear that yes 'Christianity' was responsible for those incidents, however, what happened is not in line with what the scriptures taught. There is nothing I can do about the past and I cannot apologize for the sins of others. I'm not sure what you want out of me.

1) I want nothing out of you. There's nothing you can do. You claimed that Christianity has helped us.....that's only half the truth. Christianity has also caused a horrendous amount of pain, suffering, and death. That was my point.

2) No, it's not your fault. None whatsoever, and I don't expect you to apologize. If a gay person was mean to you, or an Atheist was mean to you, I wouldn't apologize on thier behalf...

But likewise, many Christians beleive that God doesn't quite judge us individually...that God only sees two people: Believers and non beleivers...the saved and the unsaved.

So, likewise, why would God be so immature and irrational as to clump all "non beleivers" together, send them to Hell, while you and me, two flawed human beings have the rationality to see everyone as individual and not hold them accountable for the actions of other people ?

Originally posted by Nellinator
And just because the church is not necessarily doing a perfect job, it doesn't mean that they aren't trying. I can tell you that a huge number of charities and aid organizations are run, organized, and funded by Christians and that we try to help those in need. I'm not sure what else you want.

Charities and Aid Organizations are wondorful. Anti-Gay, Anti-Liberal organizations are not.

The Church does both good and bad, has always done both good and bad. That is why I do not see Christians are my moral superior in ANY way what so ever.

Originally posted by Nellinator
And if God is imaginary you won't need to worry about him telling me to kill you will you?

True, but that's not the point.

You admitted that if God ordered you to kill me, you would. That means there would be no hesitation, you wouldn't stop yourself, you wouldn't even feel it was wrong....you would kill an innocent person because your deity says so...

What makes you better than a Muslim Terrorist ? Please answer that question....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
1) I want nothing out of you. There's nothing you can do. You claimed that Christianity has helped us.....that's only half the truth. Christianity has also caused a horrendous amount of pain, suffering, and death. That was my point.

2) No, it's not your fault. None whatsoever, and I don't expect you to apologize. If a gay person was mean to you, or an Atheist was mean to you, I wouldn't apologize on thier behalf...

But likewise, many Christians beleive that God doesn't quite judge us individually...that God only sees two people: Believers and non beleivers...the saved and the unsaved.

So, likewise, why would God be so immature and irrational as to clump all "non beleivers" together, send them to Hell, while you and me, two flawed human beings have the rationality to see everyone as individual and not hold them accountable for the actions of other people ?

Charities and Aid Organizations are wondorful. Anti-Gay, Anti-Liberal organizations are not.

The Church does both good and bad, has always done both good and bad. That is why I do not see Christians are my moral superior in ANY way what so ever.

True, but that's not the point.

You admitted that if God ordered you to kill me, you would. That means there would be no hesitation, you wouldn't stop yourself, you wouldn't even feel it was wrong....you would kill an innocent person because your deity says so...

What makes you better than a Muslim Terrorist ? Please answer that question....

What makes me better is that I haven't killed anyone and have no desire to do so. I also don't feel the need to punish others for not believing and I don't use violence to terrorize people into belief.

Don't you just use violence through religion?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
[B]Why did you quote me ?

I never said that ❌

whoops my bad dude..so many 'free thinkers' with opinions like urself in here, kind of hard to tell the difference sometimes.

What?

Originally posted by Nellinator
What?

All your spew about hell etc is violence thorugh religion.

I do not spew about hell. I am not a fire and brimstone stlye of Christian. Besides that, hell is not violence and I am not forcing anyone to believe what they do not want to. When the issue of hell comes up I may speak of it to clarify the ever so common misconceptions, but there is no violence.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Good thing I've been over that, what, like a billion times by now?

You people are so dense.

Seriously. If I were as thick-skulled as you guys about...oh, say, evolution, I'd just be a moron.

But, nope, you guys--you're thinkers. You're radical thinkers, challenging Christianity all the time.

No, I am not challenging Christianity, Christianity can blow a cows penis for all I care (yeah, that means something).

I am not being here to piss on Christianity. I just point out the doublethink you guys perform.

A God that loves all people does not let them be tortured in any way for them not believing in you. That is not loving...no...NO..seriously, shut up..that's not love.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I do not spew about hell. I am not a fire and brimstone stlye of Christian. Besides that, hell is not violence and I am not forcing anyone to believe what they do not want to. When the issue of hell comes up I may speak of it to clarify the ever so common misconceptions, but there is no violence.

I don't care. Since when is threatening someone's future not violent?

When nothing violent happens. I have never threatened anyone by the way.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The Bible makes it quite clear that God judges us individually. Just because there is only a limited number of consequences does not mean that God is lumping us...

Then why believe in the bible?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
really I had no idea I could use logical fallacies in a real argument as evidence

so now I will start

all your views on God as stated thus far are irrational, baseless and stupid so anything you continue to say is meaningless because you are insane

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ERRONOUS!

You call me IRRATIONAL..and in the same breath, fail to provide anything RATIONAL or come up with sum BASE evidence to support YOUR argument. You seem to think that by INSULTING me..you can take away the VALIDITY of my argument..but by doing this you ONLY prove the INVALIDITY OF YOUR OWN.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
argument ended by tautology

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I don't use tautology that I'm aware of

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I was originally going to go thru the trouble of requoting all the TAUTOLOGICAL phrases from your prior posts..but i figured why waste the time..specially since you just gave me the above little gem to work with...

thanks lots dude much appreciated...👆

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So let me get this straight unless I agree with you and accept Jesus I will be tortured eternally by love?

let me give you this postulate of equal validity

the world is controled by a 14 Japanese girl with ADD who will tortue you for eternity if you don't believe shes god? I have now given you as much evidence for my belief as you have for yours

WRONGS!

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VISHNUS HARRY COLON DUDE!! HOW MANY FRKIN TIME MUST IT BE TOTOLAGICALLY explained to YOU!!

Let me again TOTALOGICALLY express this to you once again..

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

..Take love away..and what do you think is Left dude?

So DO you get it now? Damn the last time I had to repeat myself this much was last weekend when I told my nine year old to clean up his room!!! but atleast he was intelligent nuff to understood that it was his fault that his room was messy, and not his daddy's..😆

Originally posted by supdude
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[b]ERRONOUS!

You call me IRRATIONAL..and in the same breath, fail to provide anything RATIONAL or come up with sum BASE evidence to support YOUR argument. You seem to think that by INSULTING me..you can take away the VALIDITY of my argument..but by doing this you ONLY prove the INVALIDITY OF YOUR OWN.

😆

I was originally going to go thru the trouble of requoting all the TAUTOLOGICAL phrases from your prior posts..but i figured why waste the time..specially since you just gave me the above little gem to work with...

thanks lots dude much appreciated...👆

WRONGS!

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VISHNUS HARRY COLON DUDE!! HOW MANY FRKIN TIME MUST IT BE TOTOLAGICALLY explained to YOU!!

Let me again TOTALOGICALLY express this to you once again..

JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

[b]JESUS IS LOVE/[b]

..Take love away..and what do you think is Left dude?

So DO you get it now? Damn the last time I had to repeat myself this much was last weekend when I told my nine year old to clean up his room!!! but atleast he was intelligent nuff to understood that it was his fault that his room was messy, and not his daddy's..😆

I'm sorry but you are filled with delusion. Jesus was a man not an abstract concept.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why believe in the bible?

Originally posted by Nellinator
To become a better person, to know your Creator, to go to Heaven and be with him, etc.

Those are good reason, however, how do you deal with the conflict between spreading the word and not judging?

Tell people what the Bible says, tell them how they can change if they feel the need, etc. There is no need to attack people. I think that is what I do here, however, I fully acknowledge that I have slipped... more than once.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, I am not challenging Christianity, Christianity can blow a cows penis for all I care (yeah, that means something).

I am not being here to piss on Christianity. I just point out the doublethink you guys perform.

A God that loves all people does not let them be tortured in any way for them not believing in you. That is not loving...no...NO..seriously, shut up..that's not love.

"you" being "him".

Originally posted by Nellinator
Tell people what the Bible says, tell them how they can change if they feel the need, etc. There is no need to attack people. I think that is what I do here, however, I fully acknowledge that I have slipped... more than once.

You have attached yourself to what the other person has said. I too have slipped. It is my deepest desire to free people from the delusion of western religion, but to tell a person in a hole that they are digging the wrong way is like getting into the hole and digging with them.