On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

Originally posted by peejayd
* excuse me, mr.urizen... do you believe in life after death? because if you do, none of those things matter... God is love... 😉

I just LOVE how you totally ignore the argument. God has been cruel and violent, so NO he is NOT Love embodied....that hugest contradiction I have ever read here on KMC.....

If God is Love, and the Bible is Truth, then I want nothing to do with this "love".

I'm not into wrathful, sadistic, sexist bullies....no thanks.

Now, I will do you the honor of actually ANSWERING your question, even though you failed to answer my own.

Yes, I DO beleive in Life after Death. I beleive in the Cycle....of constant birth and rebirth. Considering how it is scientific FACT that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, it makes the most sense to me.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I just [b]LOVE how you totally ignore the argument. God has been cruel and violent, so NO he is NOT Love embodied....that hugest contradiction I have ever read here on KMC.....

If God is Love, and the Bible is Truth, then I want nothing to do with this "love".

I'm not into wrathful, sadistic, sexist bullies....no thanks.

Now, I will do you the honor of actually ANSWERING your question, even though you failed to answer my own.

Yes, I DO beleive in Life after Death. I beleive in the Cycle....of constant birth and rebirth. Considering how it is scientific FACT that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, it makes the most sense to me. [/B]

could you say this to supdude and nellinator? They've been on my case for an entire page over this.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
could you say this to supdude and nellinator? They've been on my case for an entire page over this.

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I've been trying to argue this with Nellinator for weeks, he doesn't seem to get it.

He sees violence and destruction as a form of Love....i do not imagine how.....im kinda afraid of people like that.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen

He sees violence and destruction as a form of Love....i do not imagine how.....im kinda afraid of people like that.

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well I guess that explains a large portion of his posts

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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well I guess that explains a large portion of his posts

i do not get how he defend's Gods actions of destroying cities, killing babies, killing countless animals, sending people to eternal torment, etc.

If I murdered someone he loved, Nell would kill me in a split second.....

But if God did it ?

Who knows..... 🙄

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
i do not get how he defend's Gods actions of destroying cities, killing babies, killing countless animals, sending people to eternal torment, etc.

If I murdered someone he loved, Nell would kill me in a split second.....

But if God did it ?

Who knows..... 🙄

No I would not kill you. You should not know that by now.

Do you think God has never taken anyone away from me? I don't really want to get into the details, but let it suffice to say I went to more funerals by the time I was 18 than my 56 year old dad has in his entire life. Some of them were Christians some of them were not. Each type elicits different emotions, but I know that life is but a small part of our existence, one that you send to much time worrying about.

Jesus taught on that subject himself.
"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own."
Matthew 6:25-34

Originally posted by Nellinator
I think our difference is the definition of love. You seem to see at as a more touchy feely thing, but the love of God is much different. Supdude is right when he says that allowing the spread of evil does not equal love. God shows his love by sparing us from the evils of others. If you cannot accept that, that is your choice.

But you see...God DOES allow the spread of evil....its called Free Will.....what Hitler did, what Stalin did, what Elizabeth Bathory did, diseases, etc. God allows all of this...God allows ignorance and hatred to run rampant.

God does nothing to PREVENT IT, he only focuses on PUNISHING something that he ALLOWED to happen.....

Go figure......

Originally posted by Nellinator
No I would not kill you. You should not know that by now..

What if God ordered you to do it ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
But you see...God [b]DOES allow the spread of evil....its called Free Will.....what Hitler did, what Stalin did, what Elizabeth Bathory did, diseases, etc. God allows all of this...God allows ignorance and hatred to run rampant.

God does nothing to PREVENT IT, he only focuses on PUNISHING something that he ALLOWED to happen.....

Go figure......

What if God ordered you to do it ? [/B]

Of course God lets evil spread, however, there are limitations on it. Also, since Jesus, God has removed a lot of limitations and left it to the church to combat this evil, something that false Christians make very hard to do.

If it was truly God commanding it then yes I would.

Originally posted by peejayd
* excuse me, mr.urizen... do you believe in life after death? because if you do, none of those things matter... God is love... 😉

No, no. Just because they only matter for an almost insignificant amount of time doesn't mean they matter at all.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
right there

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I fail to see where it says in that verse that god wants satan to TORTURE job..for u to say it does means your either..

a) lying
b) freakin rediculous...
c) a freaking rediculous liar

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
cause hes Satan

never been his job to be nice to anyone

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satan was at one point cheif of of the angels...of course it was his job at one point to be NICE!!! you fail to see where im going with this cause your too close minded...and like to whine about how mean you think god is. my point is that maybe god was giving satan the opportunity to be NICE[B]..open your mind dude..god is loving and fair to all of his creations..and gives all of them an opportunity to choose [B]GOOD[B] over [B]EVIL

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
is say this to you

now fight my pretties fight

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moses became a part of the sinful generation when he struck his stick against the ground in anger. remember dude, moses may have been a great prophet, but he was still a sinner...and god punished him like the rest of them for being a bit stubborn and pigheaded with this sin. still moses im sure was remorseful for his sin and a very humble man..so god was very merciful on moses..and remembered all the good he had done for god..and dont forget..moses is in heaven now..so it wasnt really all that big of a punishment dude in the grand scheme of things....

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
no God has no right to judge us if he gives us free will

if he does then he is as bad as humanity

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that makes no since and is INVALID

if god give peeple free will..thats the only thing that gives him the RIGHT to JUDGE thier actions. how the in the hell could he judge them if he didnt give them free will? another rediculous argument...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
exatly, so they go to hell for not choosing Jesus

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they go to hell for being a-holes. you see..only an a-hole would disregard jesus's sacrifice..call him unloving, and then go on to say god cant judge and is not loving cause he gives all of his creations free will..😆 i may be an idiot..but even me being and idiot I CAN still SEE that god is clearly LOVING..so that makes anyone who cant see this even a bigger freaking idiot than me..regardless of how well they present thier INVALID arguments.

You misspell "ridiculous" constantly. It is stressful.

Also, God is not all loving. He has conditions for his love. That is pretty much fact.

Originally posted by supdude

they go to hell for being a-holes. you see..only an a-hole would disregard jesus's sacrifice..call him unloving, and then go on to say god cant judge and is not loving cause he gives all of his creations free will..😆 i may be an idiot..but even me being and idiot I CAN still SEE that god is clearly LOVING..so that makes anyone who cant see this even a bigger freaking idiot than me..regardless of how well they present thier INVALID arguments.

I never said Jesus was not a loving person, the sins of the father should not be visited upon the son.

But you still haven't answered the question do people go to hell if they never get the chance to know your God?

I'll accept hell if I end up there when I die but if I'm surronded by newborns and cavemen I'm joining Satan.

Originally posted by Nellinator
God does prevent it. Jesus came and millions of people have been saved by that fact and become better.

Oh really ?

And that only took....what, two thousand years ?

Christianity has been responsible for much of the violence, torment, and oppression throughout History. You cannot ignore that.

Christianity, a beleif in Christ, has not prevented much.....the Holocaust still occured, the Salem Witch Trials still occured, the Spanish Inquisition still occured, the Slavery of the Blacks still occured, and the near extinction of the native Americans still occured....

Christianity has been indirectly responsible for those last 4 occurances......sorry, but the credit you give your religion infuriates me....

All those lives lost, all that pain suffered, and you simply ignore it .....

Originally posted by Nellinator
Of course God lets evil spread, however, there are limitations on it. Also, since Jesus, God has removed a lot of limitations and left it to the church to combat this evil, something that false Christians make very hard to do.

God certainly did a good job with Hitler, and on Hiroshima....not to mention this war in Iraq....

Originally posted by Nellinator
If it was truly God commanding it then yes I would.

And that's the danger....

You place your entire morality on the beleif of this imaginary being.....what makes you any better than an Islamic Terrorist then ? They truly beleive that God wants them to do what they do....how are you any better ?

If God existed, and he ordered me to kill you, i would tell God to go f*ck himself.....

I see it as an absolute WRONG to kill an innocent person, and I would stand up to ANY authority, INCLUDING the creator of the universe, and protest something I see as evil.

I think that's what separates you and me.....

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I never said Jesus was not a loving person, the sins of the father should not be visited upon the son.

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FALLICIOUS[b]

Teh FATHER never commited any SINS..God is [b]PERFECT

and obviously...Jesus is not just a PERSON..he is GOD..nice try dude..NOT

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But you still haven't answered the question do people go to hell if they never get the chance to know your God?

You know somethin Chaos..i have compassion on those who ask IGNORANT questions, but i dont preciate when people ask stupid ones. so i will definitely feel guilty when i answer your question with what you might percieve to be a stupid answer, only if your ignorant..but if you deny teh VALIDITY of my answer..then you will then become stupid.

God is RIGHTEOUS..meaning he is FAIR..that means that he does not condemn the ignorant only the STUPID.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'll accept hell if I end up there when I die but if I'm surronded by newborns and cavemen I'm joining Satan.

What a mighty Claim!

I DONT respect that..your a very LOGICAL and LOVING guy, specially since you only want to surround yourself by liars, murders, pedophiles, and TEH #1 king of them all that made it all SIN happen...so basically youd pick frken poop on a platter, rather than having a well cooked stake...😆

think bout what your saying one more time..and come back to me when youve realized how IRRATIONAL and INVALID and STUPID it sounds.

The rationality of a position is bound to the manner in which a person arrived at it and continues to hold it. Evaluating the rationality of a belief requires evaluating the methodology of that belief rather than the specifics of the belief itself.

Originally posted by supdude

[b]FALLICIOUS[b]

Teh FATHER never commited any SINS..God is [b]PERFECT

and obviously...Jesus is not just a PERSON..he is GOD..nice try dude..NOT
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tautology has no place in rational argument please shut up about Gods perfect unless you can give me proof that he didn't write

Originally posted by supdude

What a mighty Claim!

I DONT respect that..your a very LOGICAL and LOVING guy, specially since you only want to surround yourself by liars, murders, pedophiles, and TEH #1 king of them all that made it all SIN happen...so basically youd pick frken poop on a platter, rather than having a well cooked stake...😆

think bout what your saying one more time..and come back to me when youve realized how IRRATIONAL and INVALID and STUPID it sounds.

Actaully if I died and was greeted by a creatue that could prove its omnipotence and goodness and it told me I was supposed to go to hell then I really would go. How about you?

If I went to hell yes I would want to be surrounded by pedophiles and murders BECAUSE ITS HELL

If God didn't put them there then hes more awful then even I would claim

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
And that's the danger....

You place your entire morality on the beleif of this imaginary being.....what makes you any better than an Islamic Terrorist then ? They truly beleive that God wants them to do what they do....how are you any better ?

If God existed, and he ordered me to kill you, i would tell God to go f*ck himself.....

I see it as an absolute WRONG to kill an innocent person, and I would stand up to ANY authority, INCLUDING the creator of the universe, and protest something I see as evil.

I think that's what separates you and me.....

And if God is imaginary you won't need to worry about him telling me to kill you will you?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
tautology has no place in rational argument please shut up about Gods perfect unless you can give me proof that he didn't write

ERRONEOUS!

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TAUTOLOGY has every place within an argument!! Specifically when people keep on ignoring the simple RATIONALE and LOGICAL arguments being made.

I have PROOF that god's LOVE is PERFECT...through his sacrafice on the CROSS. you may not accept it as PROOF..but its still PROOF none the less.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Actually if I died and was greeted by a creatue that could prove its omnipotence and goodness and it told me I was supposed to go to hell then I really would go. How about you?

If I went to hell yes I would want to be surrounded by pedophiles and murders BECAUSE ITS HELL

If God didn't put them there then hes more awful then even I would claim

Firstly..why in the HELL would a creature that was sending you to HELL GREET YOU instead of CONDEMN YOU?!!! 😆 😆

Your Friggin Rediculous dude....

Now since you have once again tautologically presented your arguments..I will go ahead and once AGAIN TAUTOLOGICALLY present mine to you, without trying to pretend that I'M NOT PRESENTING THEM TAUTOLOGICALLY.

God is RIGHTEOUS, but he is also MERCIFUL. [b]EVERYONE DESERVES TO GO TO HELL DUDE[b]. Be they a LIAR, a PEDOPHILE, a dude who likes DRAGQUEENS. ALL have fell short and are not worthy of receiving the EMBODYMENT of GOD'S LOVE.

Aint no human joe bro who don't deserve to escape the hell blow..ya know?

But GOD, being MERCIFUL..has provided a way for all to avoid HELL. That WAY, TRUTH, AND LIFE is called JESUS CHRIST.

So the only people who are going to be in HELL, are those who REJECT CHRIST dude. AND those who reject Christ are truly STUPID, cause the dude is truly the EMBODYMENT OF LOVE, their aint nothing bad about him. its really a no brainer dude. ONLY an idiot would not want to be with someone who was all loving. So now another question for you.. WHY do you REJECT CHRIST and his obvious devinity and sacrafice...knowing that he is indeed as you put it "loving"

Originally posted by supdude
TAUTOLOGY has every place within an argument!! Specifically when people keep on ignoring the simple [b]RATIONALE and LOGICAL arguments being made.[/B]

We can read.

Secondly, when you actually make a logical and rational statement, let us know...because I haven't see one yet.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You misspell "ridiculous" constantly. It is stressful.

Also, God is not all loving. He has conditions for his love. That is pretty much fact.

You people are so dense.

Seriously. If I were as thick-skulled as you guys about...oh, say, evolution, I'd just be a moron.

But, nope, you guys--you're thinkers. You're radical thinkers, challenging Christianity all the time.