Originally posted by chickenlover98
no im saying that it is impossible for god to "love" his "children" because he punishs them for FOREVEREDIT: i actually get the christ dying on the cross now. u explained that perfectly in the last sentence and its clear what that means now. i didnt really understand before that thx. and this again brings up the subject leonheartmm loves. if god is perfect he doesnt need love. because love is an imperfection which is caused by a chemical inbalance. so if ur saying god has hormones id LOOOOOOOOVVVVE to hear your argument.
PS: on a side note, wtf happened to leonheartmm? havent seen him on anywhere for a while
I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you suggesting that love is a form of mental illness?
Originally posted by Shakyamunisonalso lt me re-refer you guys to my previous thread http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f80/t469306.html i find it to be pertinent to that question. (look dad i can use big words now 😄)
Then why did this god create imperfection?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then why did this god create imperfection?
The Bible states that God did not create imperfection. He created perfect creatures in a perfect world who chose to rebel against Him, thereby introducing sin. Prior to His creation of humanity, God made angels. One of the most powerful of these angels was Lucifer, who decided it would be fun to rebel against God [Ezekiel 28:15], resulting in his expulsion from heaven. He later tempted the first human beings, Adam and Eve, to disobey God's law [Genesis 3:7]. Thus it was the creatures, not the Creator, who invented sin.
Originally posted by Tim Rout
The Bible states that God did not create imperfection. He created perfect creatures in a perfect world who chose to rebel against Him, thereby introducing sin. Prior to His creation of humanity, God made angels. One of the most powerful of these angels was Lucifer, who decided it would be fun to rebel against God [Ezekiel 28:15], resulting in his expulsion from heaven. He later tempted the first human beings, Adam and Eve, to disobey God's law [Genesis 3:7]. Thus it was the creatures, not the Creator, who invented sin.
Perfect creatures in a perfect world do not choose to rebel.
Originally posted by Tim Routit is scientifically proven that love is caused by a hormonal imbalance. so if your implying that god has hormones, then sure he can love, but then he is not perfect. you cant have it both ways
There is no biblical basis for your assertion. The Bible indicates that love is one of God's perfect attributes [1 John 4:7-8].
Originally posted by chickenlover98
it is scientifically proven that love is caused by a hormonal imbalance. so if your implying that god has hormones, then sure he can love, but then he is not perfect. you cant have it both ways
I am entirely unconvinced that science is capable of describing or defining love, never mind ascertaining its root cause. On what evidence do you base your assertion?
Originally posted by Tim Routyour unconvinced based on what? im sure a quick google search will give you the case studies needed. it is PROVEN that all emotions are just hormonel imbalances. hell evena wikipedia search gives you those results
I am entirely unconvinced that science is capable of describing or defining love, never mind ascertaining its root cause. On what evidence do you base your assertion?
Originally posted by Tim Rout
The Bible states that God did not create imperfection. He created perfect creatures in a perfect world who chose to rebel against Him, thereby introducing sin. Prior to His creation of humanity, God made angels. One of the most powerful of these angels was Lucifer, who decided it would be fun to rebel against God [Ezekiel 28:15], resulting in his expulsion from heaven. He later tempted the first human beings, Adam and Eve, to disobey God's law [Genesis 3:7]. Thus it was the creatures, not the Creator, who invented sin.
So, the god of the bible did not create everything?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Perfect creatures in a perfect world do not have the desire to rebel.
How do you know that? How have you come to that conclusion? In a perfect world inhabited by perfect creatures....hmmm.....maybe that is the key.
We were NOT perfect creatures when we were created by God. In fact, I posit that God created our spirits imperfect. We come here on Earth to grow as spiritual beings.
It should read...
"Imperfect beings in a perfect environment will inexorably violate their perfect environment." "Perfect" therefore, would have to be defined because "perfect" is relative.
Would that not cause the perfect environment to be no longer perfect?
Also, wouldn't our pre-mortal spirit's awareness actually circumvent our currently damned temporal consciousness? (In other words, no concept of time when we were with God before...everything was one eternal now when we were with God before, as it should be IF we dwelt with God.) So how did our spirits "awareness" become confined into a temporal awareness and end up on Earth? I guess its not "important" for my salvation but these types of things bother me.
Also, Draco69, I will post some more of my reply tonight. I am at work right now.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And of course, because god knows all, the god of the bible knew this would happen.
Exactly.
Because everthing should be "one eternal now" for God.