Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Still it is not naturally normal. Nature/The creator did not intend gay relationships, otherwise they would be able to have children with one another.Im not saying i have a hatred towards gays. I have friends that are gay, but i am just saying it is not normal(naturally).
What creator are you talking about? And how do you know what this creator wants or doesn't want?
Ok, think about this: maybe this creator of yours, made some people as homosexuals so populations of humans would be able to withstand over population?
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, not really. The creator did not itend for Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, but they did.You saying that is like saying it was intended for there to be child molestors, because they exist.
Adam and Eve are not real. They are myth, and if you try to apply myth to reality, you will always come to a wrong conclusion.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, not really. The creator did not itend for Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, but they did.You saying that is like saying it was intended for there to be child molestors, because they exist.
If there is a creator I'm sure he intended for child molesters to exist as well. Now if you'd stop setting up strawmen do you have any real argument?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Adam and Eve are not real. They are myth, and if you try to apply myth to reality, you will always come to a wrong conclusion.
The idea of myth is to let it be applied to reality. Taking it as reality would seem to be the bigger problem.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What creator are you talking about? And how do you know what this creator wants or doesn't want?Ok, think about this: maybe this creator of yours, made some people as homosexuals so populations of humans would be able to withstand over population?
That is why i said nature/the creator. If you are a person who goes by the bibles teachings than you should know it is wrong.
As for your theory, it does not make too much sense.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If there is a creator I'm sure he intended for child molesters to exist as well. Now if you'd stop setting up strawmen do you have any real argument?
If you seen a human having sex with a cat, would you say it was intended to be that way because it happened?
Come on don't be ridiculous.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
If you seen a human having sex with a cat, would you say it was intended to be that way because it happened?Come on don't be ridiculous.
Assuming there is an omnipotent creator? Yeah I certainly would assume that being intended for that to happen.
You're still setting up strawmen and I'm still waiting for a real argument.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That is why i said nature/the creator. If you are a person who goes by the bibles teachings than you should know it is wrong.
He's Buddhist. If you followed the words of Christ you'd know it isn't wrong.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
And im waiting for you to have common sense.
Poor man's cop out. You need a real argument before you can ask to be taken seriously. Running around screaming that "God said so!" isn't the basis of a debate or much of anything.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
The words of christ are the words of the bible, and the bible says it is wrong.
I'd challenge you to ever find Jesus condeming homosexuality, the parts that do were written either by Jews (all going to hell like the gays, I'm sure) or Paul.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
That is why i said nature/the creator. If you are a person who goes by the bibles teachings than you should know it is wrong.As for your theory, it does not make too much sense.
Are you saying that the bible is wrong?
Also, it’s not my theory.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Actually it has not been proven that they were a myth. Besides i was given an example of the meaning of intend.
The human race could not have come from one mating pair. We would have died out due to interbreeding. The story is clearly a myth.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Poor man's cop out. You need a real argument before you can ask to be taken seriously. Running around screaming that "God said so!" isn't the basis of a debate or much of anything.I'd challenge you to ever find Jesus condeming homosexuality, the parts that do were written either by Jews (all going to hell like the gays, I'm sure) or Paul.
I said who ever or what ever created us did not intend it. It is not natural. Just because things happen does not mean it was intended. If that were so cancer would be perfectly normal, and doctors would not refer to it as ABNORMAL cells.
Romans 1:24- 27- Therfore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to UNCLEANESS, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, even those who exchanged in truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creator rather than the one who created, who is blessed forever. That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for for both their females changed the NATURAL use of themselves into one CONTRARY to nature; and likewise even males left the Natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and recieving in themselves the full recompense, which was due to their error.
1Timothy 1: 9-11- Law is promulgated, not for a righteous man, but for persons lawless and unruly, ungodly and sinners,.... fornicators, men who lie with men,.... and whatever other thing is in opposition to the healthful teaching according to the glorious good news of the happy God.
These verses came directly from the bibly. Now remeber differently versions of the bibly may have it worded different, but they should all have the same meaning. Surely Jesus does not go against the bible.
You have giving no proof to your arguement other than saying "Well it happened so it was intended to be that way". Come on you can do better than that can't you?
PS: These scriptures were written after Jesus's resurrection by his followers, not the Jews.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I said who ever or what ever created us did not intend it. It is not natural. Just because things happen does not mean it was intended. If that were so cancer would be perfectly normal, and doctors would not refer to it as ABNORMAL cells.
That's completely meaningless, still fails to provide any argument and happens to be another strawman. Unless you really think that gays are a human cancer, in which case you're too stupid to be allowed to live.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Romans 1:24- 27- Therfore God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to UNCLEANESS, that their bodies might be dishonored among them, even those who exchanged in truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creator rather than the one who created, who is blessed forever. That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for for both their females changed the NATURAL use of themselves into one CONTRARY to nature; and likewise even males left the Natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and recieving in themselves the full recompense, which was due to their error.
Technically that says nothing about homosexuality being wrong. It also wasn't said by Jesus and doesn't use any form of reasoning to find a way that homosexuality is irrational. You're still just running around saying "God says so!" even though he doesn't.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
1Timothy 1: 9-11- Law is promulgated, not for a righteous man, but for persons lawless and unruly, ungodly and sinners,.... fornicators, men who lie with men,.... and whatever other thing is in opposition to the healthful teaching according to the glorious good news of the happy God.
Timothy isn't Jesus. At all. Go read your bible again.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
These verses came directly from the bibly. Now remeber differently versions of the bibly may have it worded different, but they should all have the same meaning. Surely Jesus does not go against the bible.
Jesus has to do what the Bible says? I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be the other way around, the Bible and Christians are meant to follow the teachings of Christ which you have failed to present in favor of your argument.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
You have giving no proof to your arguement other than saying "Well it happened so it was intended to be that way". Come on you can do better than that can't you?
Yeah, there is no God to give these rules out in the first place and you can't form any sort of argument without one existing. So basically your entire argument falls apart until you can provide positive proof that God exists.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's completely meaningless, still fails to provide any argument and happens to be another strawman. Unless you really think that gays are a human cancer, in which case you're too stupid to be allowed to live.Technically that says nothing about homosexuality being wrong. It also wasn't said by Jesus and doesn't use any form of reasoning to find a way that homosexuality is irrational. You're still just running around saying "God says so!" even though he doesn't.
Timothy isn't Jesus. At all. Go read your bible again.
Jesus has to do what the Bible says? I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be the other way around, the Bible and Christians are meant to follow the teachings of Christ which you have failed to present in favor of your argument.
Yeah, there is no God to give these rules out in the first place and you can't form any sort of argument without one existing. So basically your entire argument falls apart until you can provide positive proof that God exists.
The bible clearly says it is not natural, it is ungodly, unruly etc. I would say that is pretty much saying it is wrong. Come on are you that slow?
Never called it cancer. You are putting words in my mouth. I said it is not normal, just as cancer is not normal. You said " well yeah it is normal because it happens", and so that is like saying cancer is normal because it happens.
A mans penis was made to enter a womans vagina, not another mans butt. "Doing it" the gay way is unsanitary, which makes it not normal.
And as for Timothy, he was a follower of Christ. He wrote the bible based on his teachings. If you follow the bible you can not follow one part and not the other, just because it does not suit your desires.