On Homosexuality & Religion [Merged]

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Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled; That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God. [ Leviticus 18:30 ]

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. [ Leviticus 20:13 ]

Abomination
This word is used, (1.) To express the idea that the Egyptians
considered themselves as defiled when they ate with strangers
(Gen. 43:32). The Jews subsequently followed the same practice,
holding it unlawful to eat or drink with foreigners (John 18:28;
Acts 10:28; 11:3).

(2.) Every shepherd was "an abomination" unto the Egyptians
(Gen. 46:34). This aversion to shepherds, such as the Hebrews,
arose probably from the fact that Lower and Middle Egypt had
formerly been held in oppressive subjection by a tribe of nomad
shepherds (the Hyksos), who had only recently been expelled, and
partly also perhaps from this other fact that the Egyptians
detested the lawless habits of these wandering shepherds.

(3.) Pharaoh was so moved by the fourth plague, that while he
refused the demand of Moses, he offered a compromise, granting
to the Israelites permission to hold their festival and offer
their sacrifices in Egypt. This permission could not be
accepted, because Moses said they would have to sacrifice "the
abomination of the Egyptians" (Ex. 8:26); i.e., the cow or ox,
which all the Egyptians held as sacred, and which they regarded
it as sacrilegious to kill.

(4.) Daniel (11:31), in that section of his prophecies which
is generally interpreted as referring to the fearful calamities
that were to fall on the Jews in the time of Antiochus
Epiphanes, says, "And they shall place the abomination that
maketh desolate." Antiochus Epiphanes caused an altar to be
erected on the altar of burnt-offering, on which sacrifices were
offered to Jupiter Olympus. (Comp. 1 Macc. 1:57). This was the
abomination of the desolation of Jerusalem. The same language is
employed in Dan. 9:27 (comp. Matt. 24:15), where the reference
is probably to the image-crowned standards which the Romans set
up at the east gate of the temple (A.D. 70), and to which they
paid idolatrous honours. "Almost the entire religion of the
Roman camp consisted in worshipping the ensign, swearing by the
ensign, and in preferring the ensign before all other gods."
These ensigns were an "abomination" to the Jews, the
"abomination of desolation."

This word is also used symbolically of sin in general (Isa.
66:3); an idol (44:19); the ceremonies of the apostate Church of
Rome (Rev. 17:4); a detestable act (Ezek. 22:11).

08441 tow`ebah {to-ay-baw'} or to`ebah {to-ay-baw'}
act part of 08581; TWOT - 2530a; n f
AV - abomination 113, abominable thing 2, abominable 2; 117
1) a disgusting thing, abomination, abominable 1a) in ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages) 1b) in ethical sense (of wickedness etc)


who gives a rats ass what the bible says, just because it is wrong to its followers doesnt give them the right to preach that to others.

i don't care if your gay...i like lesbianssmile1...but gay guys just need to stay at lest 2 feet away

but gay guys just need to stay at lest 2 feet away
what makes you think gay men would want you 😎

Originally posted by finti
what makes you think gay men would want you 😎

You can have them...if that's what you mean by that

no what I ment was what makes you so sure they be attracted to you

Originally posted by svnthdysthsbbth
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled; That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you. For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people. Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God. [ Leviticus 18:30 ]

Do you wear clothes made of different fabrics?

Re: Part 1

Vaticinium ex eventu, a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events he was "foretelling". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event. Critical exegetes are generally agreed that certain prophecies, such as Jesus' prophecy of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, were inserted into the text after the fact.
The validity of prophecies are often exaggerated. Many prophecies are vague, allowing them to be applied to many possible future events. The cryptic prophecies of Nostradamus are a prime example of this.

Scholar Gustave Holscher maintains that certain passages of the book of Ezekiel were not written by a pre-Exilic prophet of Israel but were later added in the Persian period.

Many prophecies are vague, allowing them to be applied to many possible future events. The cryptic prophecies of Nostradamus are a prime example of this.
or they are "decrypted" after events happen and said to be this is what so and so prophesied

Re: Re: Part 1

Originally posted by Storm
Vaticinium ex eventu, a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events he was "foretelling". The text is written so as to appear that the prophecy had taken place before the event. Critical exegetes are generally agreed that certain prophecies, such as Jesus' prophecy of the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, were inserted into the text after the fact.
The validity of prophecies are often exaggerated. Many prophecies are vague, allowing them to be applied to many possible future events. The cryptic prophecies of Nostradamus are a prime example of this.

Scholar Gustave Holscher maintains that certain passages of the book of Ezekiel were not written by a pre-Exilic prophet of Israel but were later added in the Persian period.


Yeah and the main mission of critical exegetes is to TRY and discredit the Bible and they will keep at it as long as it sooths there own concsience for as long as they can make the Bible out as being false they have nothing to worry about - life just can't be better, but it still does not take away the power of God or the Bible for those who believe in it and it never will.

Yeah and the main mission of critical exegetes is to TRY and discredit the Bible and they will keep at it as long as it sooths there own concsience for as long as they can make the Bible out as being false they have nothing to worry about - life just can't be better, but it still does not take away the power of God or the Bible for those who believe in it and it never will.
goes the other way around as well, however how much effort christians put into saving or turning those who doesnt believe, the true atheist would never turn

From the point of view of the devout followers of Bible based religions, all or almost all of the prophecies are actually prophecies made before the event.

Originally posted by finti
who gives a rats ass what the bible says, just because it is wrong to its followers doesnt give them the right to preach that to others.

Actually, I give a rats ass what the bible says.

I love ya finti, but please don't badmouth the bible hug

Originally posted by Phoenix
Actually, I give a rats ass what the bible says.

I love ya finti, but please don't badmouth the bible hug

You should not be giving anyone a rat's ass. Handling rat's asses can lead to disease, so I recommend that you do not give a rat's ass. 😆

Originally posted by Phoenix
Actually, I give a rats ass

Well then, you must be from France... 😉

I love ya finti, but please don't badmouth the bible
if my opinion is badmouthing the bible then so be it

Originally posted by finti
if my opinion is badmouthing the bible then so be it

You know when someone talks bad about the bible an angel falls from heaven. Thats reason enough to kill someone. 😆 😱 😘

wouldt be angels left if that was the case

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You should not be giving anyone a rat's ass. Handling rat's asses can lead to disease, so I recommend that you do not give a rat's ass. 😆

😂 Ahh, I love your sarky comments! 😄

*hands over sark crown*

I have been replaced! 🙁 hehe

Originally posted by debbiejo
Well then, you must be from France... 😉

lol I am half french actually! 😄 And going to France tomorrow for my hols 😄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You know when someone talks bad about the bible an angel falls from heaven. Thats reason enough to kill someone. 😆 😱 😘

Now Angels die....Gee, on another thread all the kittens are dying...what a world.... 😄