Originally posted by cheldon
i don't mean to come across the way u described.
I know, I was once a Christian and that point of view used to really bug me, I guess it still does. I just wanted to shake you a little. I have seem so many people spend all of their time looking at the bad stuff that they miss all the good stuff.
yup i think it is cos god didn't make people like that i mean as the quote goes he didn't make 'adam and steve' it's only cos of sin that everything got twisted up. i mean if you saw a bull trying to do it with another bull you would see that it was wrong right? it even says in the bible well along those lines that it's a sin can't remeber exactly where though
Originally posted by crispycream
yup i think it is cos god didn't make people like that i mean as the quote goes he didn't make 'adam and steve' it's only cos of sin that everything got twisted up. i mean if you saw a bull trying to do it with another bull you would see that it was wrong right? it even says in the bible well along those lines that it's a sin can't remeber exactly where though
This is something you believe, and your belief is not poof. 😄
Originally posted by big gay kirk
If I remember correctly... Leviticus 20:13.... "If a man lie with a man, as he would with a woman, they both commit abomination: they shall be put to death"
Incidentally, these are the only clear (ha!) statements about practicing homosexuality in the bible. If you actually give Genesis 19 an intelligent read, for example, you'll find it has nothing whatsoever to do with "sodomy", as it's now called.
Originally posted by Zarathustra
18:22 is likewise. You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination.
I have been told that the original Hebrew, literally translated, is more like “And with a male you shall not lay lyings of a woman”.. obviously that's not as clear: "Lay [as the] lyings of a woman" might refer to anal sex, but "Lay [in] lyings of a woman" would mean not to have sex with a man in a woman's bed... huh? Seems to be the former is a more likely translation, given the context, but this is Leviticus we're talking about. Leviticus 11:10-11 strictly prohibits eating lobster, and I don't think any Christian church enforces that one. In fact, none of the rules about what and what not to eat as laid down in Leviticus are followed by Christians, nor are a variety of other rituals concerning slaughtering animals, purification, etc... odd how selective they are, isn't it?Incidentally, these are the only clear (ha!) statements about practicing homosexuality in the bible. If you actually give Genesis 19 an intelligent read, for example, you'll find it has nothing whatsoever to do with "sodomy", as it's now called.
In Hebrew, Leviticus 18:22 reads, "V'et zachar lo tishkav mishk'vey eeshah toeyvah hee," or "And with a male, you shall not lay lyings of a woman."
Meaning, two men must not engage in sexual behavior on the bed of a woman, as it is a sacred place reserved for heterosexual sex.
According to the Mosaic code, this is a transgression of ceremonial uncleanliness, or behavior that is acceptable for Gentiles but not for Hebrews.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Meaning, two men must not engage in sexual behavior on the bed of a woman, as it is a sacred place reserved for heterosexual sex.According to the Mosaic code, this is a transgression of ceremonial uncleanliness, or behavior that is acceptable for Gentiles but not for Hebrews.
Originally posted by leana marie
seriously though? I have every right to be gay but my friends wont even talk to me anymore because its against their religion to be gay. why is it that some religions think its wrong? if someone loves someone shouldnt it not matter what their sexual orientation is?im only asking this of people whos religions oppose it, but feel free anyone to comment.
You, much like everyone else in this thread are trying to use modern reasoning for something as ancient as religion still survivng today.
It has nothing to do with ''love''. The reason why homosexuality is wrong in religion is the similar reason why beastality is wrong.
In those times people did not know anything about human anatomy - thus the belief of what kind of monsters could be born through having sex with an animal, or even having sex with another person of the same gender, sprung consernes of what offspring would be.
It has nothing to do with religions hating certain group of people - it was simply fear - much like most of religion.
If you'll look in the Bible, I'm not sure where, it gives the Israelites a whole list of rules and guidelines to follow. It says that one man should not lie with another, he or she should not lie with any animal. Personally, I think homosexuality is sick, and cringe any time I see it. If that's the way someone wants to live, then fine. But let's not impose it on everyone else.
Originally posted by Aravis3
Personally, I think homosexuality is sick, and cringe any time I see it. If that's the way someone wants to live, then fine. But let's not impose it on everyone else.
Posts like yours make me cringe everytime I see them. It is fine if you want to think this way, but do not impose this way of thinking on anyone else.
Originally posted by Aravis3Do you also find gluttony sick? Well the church is full of them. How about drunkards?...The church is full of them also. How about vain imaginations?....We all have those. Personally, people who pick and chose which are more acceptable and which are not are judgmental and not following the words Jesus spoke of...Which is all about loving.
If you'll look in the Bible, I'm not sure where, it gives the Israelites a whole list of rules and guidelines to follow. It says that one man should not lie with another, he or she should not lie with any animal. Personally, I think homosexuality is sick, and cringe any time I see it. If that's the way someone wants to live, then fine. But let's not impose it on everyone else.
Originally posted by debbiejo
Do you also find gluttony sick? Well the church is full of them. How about drunkards?...The church is full of them also. How about vain imaginations?....We all have those. Personally, people who pick and chose which are more acceptable and which are not are judgmental and not following the words Jesus spoke of...Which is all about loving.
Yes, it's true that the church has many sinners. But we're all sinners in need of God's love. A lot of people have different views of how they should live. Even in my church there are people who drink and stuff. But that's because they've closed their eyes and hearts to the truth. Jesus did say that we should love one another as we love ourselves, and this DOES extend to homosexuals and bisexuals. By the way, I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone; I'm just giving my honest opinion. We do have freedom of speech in the United States. I can say whatever I want, whenever I want.
I think it's very interesting that homosexuality is such a huge issue in religions around the world, but Jesus never addressed it once. He certainly addressed those who felt that the letter of the law was more important than the spirit. He was a funny man, that guy Jesus. He was a single man that traveled with twelve other men (some married, some not), and he spent time with whores, lepers, lawyers, tax collectors.
It's also interesting to me to note that the Bible rarely comments upon the former lives of people that Jesus heals. We knew nothing about the colony of lepers he healed except that they were outcasts. We knew little more than the woman who bled nonstop had been that way for years and had sought out other cures.
I suppose what I'm getting at is that Jesus focused less on what people were and more on who they were. I find nothing in any of the gospels that explicitly or implicity condemns homosexuality, probably because Jesus felt that there were more important things to worry about.
Originally posted by Aravis3
By the way, I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone; I'm just giving my honest opinion. We do have freedom of speech in the United States. I can say whatever I want, whenever I want.
Gay people are not trying to impose anything on anyone; they simply want to be able to incorporate the many aspects of their lives the way heterosexuals are permitted to do. We do have the 14th Amendment in the United States of America; gay people can be affectionate whenever they want, wherever they want.
Originally posted by Aravis3Well I'm also giving my opinion and not trying to impose my views...These are just conversations with many people which have many different views, not just Christian views...And the Bible has been so distorted with many inconsistencies that you can't count on it's accuracy when it comes to what sins are...And for "Sins", the aren't such a thing...they are choices that people label as sins...And Jesus said to love not too judge, the fact that he hung around with people that others despised and just loved them would be a huge lesson for the Christian community...He didn't go around trying to convert and nag people, he just spoke some loving truths and they wanted to listen more to what he had to say....He was IMO saying that we all have the same potential to be as he was, that he wasn't just god himself....He did say to others "Haven't you said ye are gods also?".........His messages has been so distorted that you have to read other sources from that time period about him to get the bigger picture of what he was trying to convey.
Yes, it's true that the church has many sinners. But we're all sinners in need of God's love. A lot of people have different views of how they should live. Even in my church there are people who drink and stuff. But that's because they've closed their eyes and hearts to the truth. Jesus did say that we should love one another as we love ourselves, and this DOES extend to homosexuals and bisexuals. By the way, I'm not trying to impose anything on anyone; I'm just giving my honest opinion. We do have freedom of speech in the United States. I can say whatever I want, whenever I want.