Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
just wanted to be sure..... 😉
so you see NO PROBLEM for a kid to be raised by gay parents? especially when they enter high school?
No problem at all. And once again I reiterate - unless we want to stop all parents having kids because, for whatever reason, they might get teased, then I see no reason to stop gays based on the "they might be teased" basis.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so you think the kid will not be ridiculed for having gay parents?
Sigh. Has anyone denied that chance that will happen? No. In fact it is quite possible it will. Not a certainty, but a chance. But it is irrelevant.
Loud Reiteration: Children are often teased by other children for any number of reasons. It is foolish to say "lets stop gays having kids, for now, because they might get teased" when any number of other families can have children who will be teased because of the way they look, or their race or religion or parents jobs or etc etc.
Clarification: So unless one advocates denying children to all families where the family might be the focus of teasing it is unfair, unjust and not right to deny gays a family for that reason.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
so you think the kid will not be ridiculed for having gay parents?
Ofcourse he will.
But if he's not ridiculed for having Gay parents, he'll be ridiculed for something else...
He'll be made fun of cuz he's:
1) Fat
2) Ugly
3) Non Athletic
4) Nerdy
5) Gay himself
6) short
7) too tall
8) too skinny
9) has acne
10) doesn't get good grades
11) gets too many good grades
12) etc.etc.etc.etc.
Everyone gets ridiculed no matter what....that's the point.
Your reasoning for why Gays should not adopt is absurd.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
your 12 examples are valid, but the degree of teasing will be much more severe if he has gay parents.
again, everyone thinks that i am an evil and i am against gays.
So you have to decide what's more important:
1) The fact that a child has a home
2) Or the fact that he or she may be teased
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
your 12 examples are valid, but the degree of teasing will be much more severe if he has gay parents.
again, everyone thinks that i am an evil and i am against gays.
No they don't, but why would the teasing be so much worse if he has gay parents? The most prevalent forms of teaching are the ones that focus on physical difference - because it is basic and easy to attack. Parents, family or living standards/jobs certainly can be face, but they are more detached, more distant.
And this is something that up till a certain age potential bullies might not really understand.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
your 12 examples are valid, but the degree of teasing will be much more severe if he has gay parents.
again, everyone thinks that i am an evil and i am against gays.
you certainly come off that way. And you are certainly against gays having children.
Pulling the old "I'm concerned fot the child" bullshit doesnt work as currency in my market.
Originally posted by Alliance
you certainly come off that way. And you are certainly against gays having children.Pulling the old "I'm concerned fot the child" bullshit doesnt work as currency in my market.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
No they don't, but why would the teasing be so much worse if he has gay parents? The most prevalent forms of teaching are the ones that focus on physical difference - because it is basic and easy to attack. Parents, family or living standards/jobs certainly can be face, but they are more detached, more distant.And this is something that up till a certain age potential bullies might not really understand.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
teenage bullies might not understand homosexuality? are you really saying this? 😕
And you complain about other people twisting your words? What exactly did I say? Ah yes "And this is something that up till a certain age potential bullies might not really understand. " Maybe I should have made it clearer - Children before the age of teenhood? That better?
i am merely saying that the world is a very fragged up place and that the damage done to a kid being picked on for having gay parents can be devestating.
And fundamentally it would be no worse then the stuff other children have encountered throughout the ages.
what if i assumed that you were a skinhead? what if you denied it but i still insisted that you were a skinhead? would this be an insult to you? dont go assuming so much.
Well, that might work if Alliance was expressing opinions similar to those held by skinheads even though his intentions might not be the same.
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
And you complain about other people twisting your words? What exactly did I say? Ah yes "And this is something that up till a certain age potential bullies might not really understand. " Maybe I should have made it clearer - Children before the age of teenhood? That better?And fundamentally it would be no worse then the stuff other children have encountered throughout the ages.
Well, that might work if Alliance was expressing opinions similar to those held by skinheads even though his intentions might not be the same.
i am just keeping up with the analogy trend that is growing here.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
"And this is something that up till a certain age potential bullies might not really understand."
-up til a certain age they will not understand.....hmm.....that sounds like "they will not understand homosexuality until they reach a certain age."...that relates PERFECTLY with my post.i am just keeping up with the analogy trend that is growing here.
How is it an analogy? You have been running this idea that the child of a gay couple is pretty much assured of being teased, and that the teasing will, for some reason, be far worse then the kinds of things other children are teased for. Forget the fact that in the first few years of school when a child is picked on for obvious things like body shape and the clothes they were and that the potential bullies wont know any thing about homosexuality or the reasons why they should attack one associated with it.
Or are you now operating from another view "well, if bullies don't know they should be disliking a the child of gay parents then the child of the gay parents will of course be confused" - you do know there are already gay couples with children out there? Quite a few actually? And the has been no study or finding that such an environment is in the least bit detrimental to the child's happiness or mental well being?
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
How is it an analogy? You have been running this idea that the child of a gay couple is pretty much assured of being teased, and that the teasing will, for some reason, be far worse then the kinds of things other children are teased for. Forget the fact that in the first few years of school when a child is picked on for obvious things like body shape and the clothes they were and that the potential bullies wont know any thing about homosexuality or the reasons why they should attack one associated with it.Or are you now operating from another view "well, if bullies don't know they should be disliking a the child of gay parents then the child of the gay parents will of course be confused" - you do know there are already gay couples with children out there? Quite a few actually? And the has been no study or finding that such an environment is in the least bit detrimental to the child's happiness or mental well being?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
i was the victim of many a bully growing up. it wasnt until my junior year in high school when i fought back that i ceased being a victim. and i can tell you that the teasing during the high school years is far worse than in elementary school/middle school. i am speaking from inexperience.
So you were teased for having gay parents, or for... some other reason? Should you parents have been stopped from having you because you got teased in school?
i actually know of one couple who raised their "child" from age 11. he wasnt really their adopted kid, but one of their nephews. when he got to high school, he was victimized because someone found out about his "parents."
needless to say, the kid, to this day, is a screw up. cant hold a job, in and out of jail, going out of his way to be a womanizer. he will probably end up in prison.
So your whole theory is based upon one person? Tell me, are you familiar with people who are actually gay, and some of the things they encounter in school (Highschool)? And the fact most of them get through it ok? Would you say that the teasing of the child of gay parents is going to be worse then the teasing of an actual gay child? Because you know, I find that truly hard to believe - from what I have seen.