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Originally posted by BackFire
Technically it is reasonable to see the gamecube as something of a flop. It is, IMO the worst Nintendo system of all time, it has a least number of high quality exclusive games, and also has a very small library compared to Nintendos past systems. It's also reasonable because, love it or hate it, gamecube has sold the fewest consoles out of all of the major systems of this generation, so if one is comparing it to PS2 or Xbox, it could easily be seen as a flop to some people.
To people who care where the console ends up on a chart, yeah.
I don't really care where Gamecube ends up, under Xbox and PS2? Fine. I couldn't care any less than I do, because for me, I've loved a bulk of the games they've put out. I've loved alot of PS2 games also, but the fact is that I've been through 3 PS2's and seen PS2 churn out game after game after game and then have the odd good one. Now for some, they might have been all good games. I don't know, I can only speak for me there.
Originally posted by Onikirimaru
Very well said. Nintendo seems to hook in a certain echelon of gamers, and instill within them a sense of elitism. Its like film snobs, that snub their nose at all mainstream blockbusters and think the small, independant dramas with small budgets are how movies should be. Ive seen Nintendo fans/fanboys demonstrate time and time again a sense of brand loyalty above any other systems. For example, I remember when the Gamecube fans would talk smack about FPS, when Halo was on the scene. They said they didnt care about Halo, because they didnt like FPS, and FPS were just generic and fun. Then low and behold, Nintendo made a giant innovation and made the new Metroid a FPS! Wow suddenly everyone on the Cube were FPS fans and Metroid was the best FPS ever in a million years! Its like currently Nintendo fans talk smack about GTA, since they dont have it on the Cube. They dont want it, they dont need it. But if Nintendo would come out with something comparable to it, then suddenly its an innovation. Another example is how nintendo fans speak on the gaming community, and look down their nose at other systems, saying "All they do is plug out sequel after sequel and rely on games with the same characters "coughMasterChiefcough*" yet in the same breath, they praise Miyamoto for the twentith Legend of Zelda remake and dance around at a hint of a sequel to Smash Brothers or Metroid.
How hypocritical. You say that people shouldn't talk as if all Nintendo fans are good, why are you doing the opposite? It seriously amazes me how people like you go around this forum calling everyone who doesn't immediately condemn a new idea as shit, a fanboy.
Originally posted by Onikirimaru
Currently, there has been some talk on how revolutionary this new controller is. But if you shift through it all, you see its not really that revolutionary. All they have fundamentaly done, is chopped a controller in half, and connected it with a cord. Being cordless isnt really an innovation since cordless controllers have been around a bit now. Rumble pack built in certainly isnt one. Motion sensing technology was in other periphary controllers back in the NES days, with the power glove and that motion detecting apparatus. It can shoot at the TV, and use point and click technology, which some people think is the real jump in technology. If only there was a way to shoot at the screen in games back when NES came out, how different games could have been today. Oh wait, there was, it was the Zapper. So they chopped their controller in half, rearranged the buttons on a TV remote so that it can be turned sideways and play like a NES, built in a zapper, and a power glove, and call it a revolution in the gaming industry. And people will fall for it. If only they could have the controller transform into ROB the Robot, NO ONE could compete with them! I guess, with the point at screen technology, I guess Nintendo are hard at work on the revolutionary Duck Hunt! Maybe they can make it a GTA style crime spree, so all the Nintendo fans will stop talking crap about smacking hos up.
So this begs the question: What exactly do you want? Because you're coming across as someone who endlessly looks for faults and nothing will ever be innovative to you because it has elements in it that have been done before.
For those who have faith, no explanation is neccessary. For those who have none, no explanation will ever suffice.
That applies to you. I'm by no means asking people to have blind faith in Nintendo, I couldn't care less. I like Nintendo, that's where it ends. But you seemingly have a grudge against Nintendo, a lot of people here do. Be it for the quality of the games produced, the nature of the games produced or controllers. I don't like Sony PLAYSTATION, the company make good musical software. I just don't like their games console. You're obviously someone who is just never satisfied with anything Nintendo do purely because you love to come on a forum and look down your nose at them. Which is, ironically, what you accuse Nintendo fans of.
"Fans" like you are the reason it's so hard to innovate these days because you're just so damn fast to condemn and dismiss. You never give anything a shot.
-AC