dark phoenix vs galactus

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
But could that limit only apply to her perception? Could it not be self imposed? That's what happened when Phoenix originally appeared. When she was fighting Magneto she says that she needs more power but there isn't any more. Then she says, "But I thought I HAD NO LIMIT." The limits were placed there by her so that her still human mind would be able to deal gradually with what was happening/had happened to her.

As far as not being allowed to kill Galactus...I figure it's a non-issue, since Phoenix can always make another.

I don't tink she can as she only joined with the egg -

are you a sock?

Originally posted by Gandhi_of_KMC
I don't tink she can as she only joined with the egg -

are you a sock?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
I beg your pardon?

Its just I only see you sometimes when GS is losing hard and needs support 🙂

oh, whirly, ur so droll

<<Saying dark phoenix can do this but current continuity phoenix wins with ease.
As per the threadmakers conditions youve basically agreed that phoenix wins. Game over.>>

i admit, if we are supposed to be viweing this in current continuity, why is it still being debated?

😕

even before she reached her zenith at the end of the story, it is debatable galactus could have taken her on that planet. he SAYS he could, but g has said MANY things. he also claimed he would crush agamotto . . .

unless there is a true distinction of some kind between pho and d-pho that i am missing, i honestly don't know why this thread didn't die after the first page. doesn't it amount to the saem thing as g v current pho??

we could debate it IF this wasn't viewed under current continuity. as is, i really don't get the problem . . .

Originally posted by kgkg
what so u don't like GS 🙁

LOL. Sorry I'm not gay, I'm attracted to women not men. 😂 😆 😉

Originally posted by Gandhi_of_KMC
Only at doing certain things - her power is only used in certain ways, she is a tool no more no less - the Phoenix force does not have complete autonomy - it would not be allowed to kill Galactus, he probably would win for this reason alone 🙂

Galactus is a tool as well. His purpose varies from reality to reality but he has a purpose to fulfill and thats why Phoenix created him in the first place. In 616 its to act as a balance between life and death. The Phoenix Force isnt a tool its the power of creation. An aspect. The hosts who can genetically tap into its power are the tools my friend. Jean Grey is just the human face of Phoenix and is used by the power to carry out its work in creation. You seem to be confused Whirly as ive been saying for a long time now do some background reading prior to further contributions. Jean can act out of her own accord if she wishes. What do you think Dark Phoenix was about? Saving 616 her native reality wasnt part of the destined disinfection its what she chose to do for sentimental reasons. As long as she doesnt contradict her phoenix work then her power can be applied as she wishes. MOOT point. 🙂

Originally posted by Gandhi_of_KMC
I don't tink she can as she only joined with the egg -

are you a sock?

She protected Galen from the destruction of the universe and bonded him to the cosmic egg therefore allowing him to become Galactus. X-men Forever shows that Phoenix does this cyclically. Phoenix creates Eternity before eventually destroying him when evolution has run its course. Thats what it was about. Humanity replacing these cosmics in the creation cycle. Stranger thought it was something the abstracts were against and sought to tap into Phoenix via Jean to speed up evolution, end creation, and emerge as the supreme being. Eternity however revealed that the abstracts and LT werent against this process and it was in fact part of the natural order. Its what always happens. Galen is just one in a long line of Galactus' or at least beings who perform the same role in each of the realities phoenix has created. Read X-men forever youre really out of your depth my friend. Stop reacting to hearsay and stating personal opinion when you havent read the relevant material.

Originally posted by Gandhi_of_KMC
Its just I only see you sometimes when GS is losing hard and needs support 🙂

I wasnt losing at all my friend. 🙂

KG was stating his opinion over and over again regardless of what i was saying and then i came up with the scans which silenced him. You of course were in the background providing no valuable contribution as usual but instead agreeing with whoever or whatever disagrees with myself. As you can see from the posts and the poll your views are very much in the minority amongst the veterans of this forum. 🙂

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Saying dark phoenix can do this but current continuity phoenix wins with ease.
As per the threadmakers conditions youve basically agreed that phoenix wins. Game over.>>

i admit, if we are supposed to be viweing this in current continuity, why is it still being debated?

😕

even before she reached her zenith at the end of the story, it is debatable galactus could have taken her on that planet. he SAYS he could, but g has said MANY things. he also claimed he would crush agamotto . . .

Precisely. What KG fails to realise is that Galactus saying he could probably win against Jean if he stayed is far from conclusive evidence. It could just be the bluffs of a humbled man. Actions speak louder than words. Jean went on to increase in power after recovering from the lobotomy rendering that irrelevant anyway.

Originally posted by leonidas
unless there is a true distinction of some kind between pho and d-pho that i am missing, i honestly don't know why this thread didn't die after the first page. doesn't it amount to the saem thing as g v current pho??

we could debate it IF this wasn't viewed under current continuity. as is, i really don't get the problem . . .

What KG and Whirly dont seem to understand is that theres no important distinction between Phoenix and Dark Phoenix. Theyre the same being. Dark Phoenix is the same Jean who weeks before contained the power of the multiversal reset switch that is the M'kraan crystal. After that incident as stated on panel Jean instinctively erected psychic circuit breakers around her powers limiting it to levels appropriate for day to day application as a member of the X-men. Thats all. Jason Wyngardes manipulations however corrupted her and made her crave her previous power levels resulting in a gradual breakdown of these circuit breakers. Hence the increase of her powers over a geometric curve with no end in sight.

Aside: 😬 You really can't use Dark Phoenix as an example of acting of her own accord considering at the time the Phoenix concept was different. In the last issue of Morrison's run I don't know who exactly the white on black text is but it appears to be instructing her to heal the universe.

On topic: Galactus loses. Rachel basically took him down. Mommy dearest should be able to do the same.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Aside: 😬 You really can't use Dark Phoenix as an example of acting of her own accord considering at the time the Phoenix concept was different. In the last issue of Morrison's run I don't know who exactly the white on black text is but it appears to be instructing her to heal the universe.

On topic: Galactus loses. Rachel basically took him down. Mommy dearest should be able to do the same.

Given that we're looking back on those events through the eyes of current continuity Jeans time as dark phoenix is just fine as an example of her acting of her own accord.

Can only speculate on who that voice is. Given that it takes place within the Crown, and given that the omega point theory is in play and that the voice is talking in a "computer voice" one could understandably say it was the supreme being. But thats just speculation.

Agreed Galactus loses.

GS i like phoenix too....but man you have an obsession with her, as for the topic why even bother debating...the guy who made this jus wanted to wind you up and looks like it worked let him have this fight jus agree with him that DP would lose would make his day...... 🙄

Originally posted by tiakocom
GS i like phoenix too....but man you have an obsession with her, as for the topic why even bother debating...the guy who made this jus wanted to wind you up and looks like it worked let him have this fight jus agree with him that DP would lose would make his day...... 🙄

Thanks for the advice and the concern but seriously no need to worry im not wound up because i know im right about this. Most of the stuff i have here has just been copied and pasted from previous debates so its no effort really. 😉

Originally posted by tiakocom
GS i like phoenix too....but man you have an obsession with her, as for the topic why even bother debating...the guy who made this jus wanted to wind you up and looks like it worked let him have this fight jus agree with him that DP would lose would make his day...... 🙄

Admit that DP is loses, like thats ever gonna happen if GS has an obsession with DP then he ain't gonna say DP losses.

Originally posted by steverules
Admit that DP is loses, like thats ever gonna happen if GS has an obsession with DP then he ain't gonna say DP losses.

No he isn't 🙂 looks like as usual GS is wound up - 😂

Keep the faith 🙂

stay Whirly 🙂

Originally posted by kgkg
Near Unlimited power

It&#8217;s been said that Galactus has infinite power.

Also said Cube that they have infinite power

But apparently Phoenix has her limits and can Draw NEAR unlimited 😄

Matters not tho

Dark phoenix Max is still not enough to take a weak ass Galactus ( that&#8217;s all it matters)

Right from her mouth

Now think what a Full power Galactus will do that her

Not good

Admit it...Big G was scary and mighty the first time he appeared (glorious moment...aaah, the good old times!), but since then he didn't do anything impressive on a cosmic scale except getting beaten by nearly everyone (!Exaggeration to make my point clear!).

Originally posted by Mr _Whirlysplat
Its just I only see you sometimes when GS is losing hard and needs support 🙂

I'm on these boards all the time, but I only post when I feel that I have something to contribute to a discussion. Why keep repeating things that have been said 1,846,742,556 times? I don't think GS needs any help from me, and I point out when he's wrong (LT vs HOTU). BTW, what the hell is a sock? Is that a British term?

As an aside, Galactus was punked by a nuke in Thanos, but Rachel was able to contain one in Excalibur. I don't know that this changes anyone's mind, but I find it interesting.

And going back to the Marvel Handbook around the time of the fights between the Phoenixes and Galactus, it was stated that Phoenix could generate ANY form of energy in ANY amount. Galactus eats planets. She eats stars. What more needs to be said?

Originally posted by Cosmic Flame
That's because we're the same person...NOT!

I'm on these boards all the time, but I only post when I feel that I have something to contribute to a discussion. Why keep repeating things that have been said 1,846,742,556 times? I don't think GS needs any help from me, and I point out when he's wrong (LT vs HOTU). BTW, what the hell is a sock? Is that a British term?

As an aside, Galactus was punked by a nuke in Thanos, but Rachel was able to contain one in Excalibur. I don't know that this changes anyone's mind, but I find it interesting.

And going back to the Marvel Handbook around the time of the fights between the Phoenixes and Galactus, it was stated that Phoenix could generate ANY form of energy in ANY amount. Galactus eats planets. She eats stars. What more needs to be said?

If you were on these boards all the time you'd know what a sock is - Glactus can also eat stars 🙂 his done it before. Kang was making him eat Solar Systems 🙂

is there a prize for changing your name 50 times???