Originally posted by El_NINO
Um no because Blu Ray discs will be available in the next 1 or 2 years and currently only PS3 will have Blu Ray discs. The pinacle of consoles will be when they have reached the same graphics as CGI in movies, for example take the MATRIX, that would be the pinacle of game, to be able to play with such graphics. I say this because we are about to enter and have already entered into the dual-core technology. With such processing power now available for a moderately cheap price, who knows what the next console could allow us to do, every 6 months to a year a new video card is being released aswell. Video cards will one day be dual-core aswell.
Yeah, and it will take 10 years to make the game, thus having no difference of blu ray technology.
Also, who cares about blue ray technology. Who says companies wont release a game with 3 dvd's just like they do with cd based games now.
Just think, it takes a company like Pixar, ILM 3-4 years to make a movie thats 2 hours long.
To make a FPS thats atleast 10 hours long, how long will it take to make the game?
What about a RPG like Final Fantasy thats has 40 hours (atleast) of gameplay?
Do the math.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Yeah, and it will take 10 years to make the game, thus having no difference of blu ray technology.
Also, who cares about blue ray technology. Who says companies wont release a game with 3 dvd's just like they do with cd based games now.Just think, it takes a company like Pixar, ILM 3-4 years to make a movie thats 2 hours long.
To make a FPS thats atleast 10 hours long, how long will it take to make the game?
What about a RPG like Final Fantasy thats has 40 hours (atleast) of gameplay?
Do the math.
so your saying it took PS3 10 years to make a game using a Blu Ray disc? 😑
Originally posted by El_NINO
With such processing power now available for a moderately cheap price, who knows what the next console could allow us to do, every 6 months to a year a new video card is being released aswell. Video cards will one day be dual-core aswell.
You can get dual graphics cards on PC motherboards already. Thing about consoles is, you have to fit all that fast hardware into a small, confined space, airflow then becomes a problem and things overheat. I wonder if eventually consoles will start using water cooling and/or nitrogen cooling?
Originally posted by El_NINO
so your saying it took PS3 10 years to make a game using a Blu Ray disc? 😑
To fully maximise the space used for a game on a blu ray disc, yes....if not longer. Your talking 40gb. Have a look at games nowadays, a good game or sequel might take maybe 2-3yrs. Oblivion (I use Oblivion for a lot of points...to me, that game will be the beginning of the future for games) has taken 3 yrs already to develop. If you took that to be at most, 1/4 of the size of a blu ray, (it would have to be even less than that to fit on a dvd for 360) to max out on a blu ray, it would take another 9 or so years, maybe more. The point of spending 10 years to make a game to use on current consoles? The next wave of consoles/technology will be in line for market by then, you've wasted your time.
I've said before, I dont see blu ray becoming useful until the next wave of consoles after PS3/XBOX 360/Revolution. Developers could start making games now using the most advanced/latest technology and make a game using the full capacity of blu ray in time for the next gen wave. If it takes 10 years to make a game big enough for a blu ray, you wont start seeing those kinds of games for another 5-6 years on this wave of consoles.
Originally posted by Mišt
You can get dual graphics cards on PC motherboards already. Thing about consoles is, you have to fit all that fast hardware into a small, confined space, airflow then becomes a problem and things overheat. I wonder if eventually consoles will start using water cooling and/or nitrogen cooling?To fully maximise the space used for a game on a blu ray disc, yes....if not longer. Your talking 40gb. Have a look at games nowadays, a good game or sequel might take maybe 2-3yrs. Oblivion (I use Oblivion for a lot of points...to me, that game will be the beginning of the future for games) has taken 3 yrs already to develop. If you took that to be at most, 1/4 of the size of a blu ray, (it would have to be even less than that to fit on a dvd for 360) to max out on a blu ray, it would take another 9 or so years, maybe more. The point of spending 10 years to make a game to use on current consoles? The next wave of consoles/technology will be in line for market by then, you've wasted your time.
I've said before, I dont see blu ray becoming useful until the next wave of consoles after PS3/XBOX 360/Revolution. Developers could start making games now using the most advanced/latest technology and make a game using the full capacity of blu ray in time for the next gen wave. If it takes 10 years to make a game big enough for a blu ray, you wont start seeing those kinds of games for another 5-6 years on this wave of consoles.
Welll here is something that I see PS3 not doing with a Blu Ray disc and thats this, having a DVD 40GB in size. What PS3 is (and most film companies) going to do is have a BD that is not 40 GB in size but reduced to a lower size, maybe 15 to 20 GB in size. Keeping in mind that Blu Ray discs are not ment for holding more data but for having a higher quality of resolution which requires more space.
Then whats the point of having a blue ray discs.
You think this disc will take over DVD's?
Hell no.
Nonbody in thier right mind will buy a blu ray disc player when they already have a cheap and amazing DVD player with all thier dvd's.
You think film companies are going to release a new medium of storage over the DVD's. Your crazy.
Blu ray disc is going to turn out like BETA'S and LaserDisc. Just have some more room to store on a disc is not going to be the reason to change.
Nino, read my post about how long it will take to make graphics that are as good as CGI in movies. If you think the PS3 will have that good of graphics, your mistakenly wrong because the hardware in the PS3 is a bit better than the 360 and the graphics are not even close to movie standerd.
That in mind, if the graphics do get that good, games will take a really long time to develop.
Of course cutscenes will have that type of graphics, because when a cutscene plays, its a movie file, so its basically watching something of Windows Media player.
But when real gameplay happens, there is soo much more going on and its not a simple video. So no, graphics wont get like that for a very long time, and certainly not the PS3 and 369 generation.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Of course cutscenes will have that type of graphics, because when a cutscene plays, its a movie file, so its basically watching something of Windows Media player.But when real gameplay happens, there is soo much more going on and its not a simple video. So no, graphics wont get like that for a very long time, and certainly not the PS3 and 369 generation.
LMAO....Why are you denying the truth, did you click the link I posted. The average size for a DVD is about 4.7GB, for a game is about 8 or 9GB, if you havent noticed we are now entering the HDTV era of television quality. Research what im saying becuase im not lying.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Then whats the point of having a blue ray discs.
You think this disc will take over DVD's?Hell no.
Nonbody in thier right mind will buy a blu ray disc player when they already have a cheap and amazing DVD player with all thier dvd's.
You think film companies are going to release a new medium of storage over the DVD's. Your crazy.Blu ray disc is going to turn out like BETA'S and LaserDisc. Just have some more room to store on a disc is not going to be the reason to change.
Nino, read my post about how long it will take to make graphics that are as good as CGI in movies. If you think the PS3 will have that good of graphics, your mistakenly wrong because the hardware in the PS3 is a bit better than the 360 and the graphics are not even close to movie standerd.
That in mind, if the graphics do get that good, games will take a really long time to develop.
Sorry for the double post I just woke up but anyways...
How is it possible that the PS3 having better hardware than the 360 will not have better graphics than the XBOX360?
As for films, ya having more room makes more sense because then we can fit all the deleted scenes or have more 'bang for our buck'. Having to pay $24.99 and only be able to see 4 or 5 deleted scenes really sucks.
What do you mean by games taking a long time to develop, if its the story that your talking about then maybe it will take a longer time because people want a good story plot as opposed to the having the best graphics. Most games that do good take about a year and a half unless the story gets changed many times to make it the best in which case sometimes doesnt turn out to be good.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Of course cutscenes will have that type of graphics, because when a cutscene plays, its a movie file, so its basically watching something of Windows Media player.But when real gameplay happens, there is soo much more going on and its not a simple video. So no, graphics wont get like that for a very long time, and certainly not the PS3 and 369 generation.
You do know that the cut scenes aren't drawn they a clips of a high poly version of the ingame character. The graphics of cut scenes on PS2, Xbox, whatever else are rendered and compiled on a high quality computer. The console just plays them....minimal processor power is used.
The idea with the blue ray discs is that the higher poly models can be used because of the space to store them and the power of the next generation console's processors. (high poly models can get as high as 150mb per model)
Originally posted by Avenger2.0
You do know that the cut scenes aren't drawn they a clips of a high poly version of the ingame character. The graphics of cut scenes on PS2, Xbox, whatever else are rendered and compiled on a high quality computer. The console just plays them....minimal processor power is used.The idea with the blue ray discs is that the higher poly models can be used because of the space to store them and the power of the next generation console's processors. (high poly models can get as high as 150mb per model)
Finally someone who can explain it a little better than I can. Thank you so much.
Originally posted by Avenger2.0
You do know that the cut scenes aren't drawn they a clips of a high poly version of the ingame character. The graphics of cut scenes on PS2, Xbox, whatever else are rendered and compiled on a high quality computer. The console just plays them....minimal processor power is used.The idea with the blue ray discs is that the higher poly models can be used because of the space to store them and the power of the next generation console's processors. (high poly models can get as high as 150mb per model)
Read the post clearly Nino.
Basically, to make a game that equals CGI movie quality in cutscenes, they would do what Avenger 2.0 stated. But who cares about that, they're cutscenes, but not actually gameplay. So an Blu Ray discs will be useless until 15 years from now.
To have gameplay to equal that quality of graphics, they would need an high quality computer to actually run it, so you can play it in real time. Main word is high quality computer. For Pixar and others to make an movie, they need rows of computers to do it. To have that type of technology inside an console will be a long time from now.
Quote you said, "How is it possible that the PS3 having better hardware than the 360 will not have better graphics than the XBOX360?".
Sorry, but you got that wrong. I said, " If you think the PS3 will have that good of graphics, your mistakenly wrong because the hardware in the PS3 is a bit better than the 360 and the graphics are not even close to movie standerd.".
Oh, how wrong you are about how long a "good game" takes to make. They do not take an year and a half to make. HL2, Doom 3, FEAR, and most graphical instense games take about 3-4-5 years to make.
And lastly, I know Blu Rays has more space, but the problem is that the general public DOES not want to change the medium of storage. Look at the history of home movies.
VHS was the most popular storage medium for movies. Everybody had them for years. LaserDisc hit the shelves. Because VHS was most popular and LaserDisc wasnt much of difference, Laserdisc was never made again.
Now DVD's come in, really expansive, but because of the quality of video, sound and how less of hassle it was, people bought DVD's, and now DVD's are soo popular that unless thier is a medium that is soo much better than DVD's, it will take years for another medium to hit.
So you think Blu Ray will take over DVD's because people get to have so much more space, but the quality is still the same. Hell no. People wont.
For games, Blu Ray would be better, but the problem is that games wont need the extra storage for another 10-15 years.
Originally posted by Avenger2.0
You do know that the cut scenes aren't drawn they a clips of a high poly version of the ingame character. The graphics of cut scenes on PS2, Xbox, whatever else are rendered and compiled on a high quality computer. The console just plays them....minimal processor power is used.
What your talking about....is wrong. You go into an installed folder on your computer and look in the movies/cutscenes folder and you'll find a bunch of mpegs, or other files. Pre-renderd scenes. They are played like a movie file.
But some games have those little scenes eg, Enter the Matrix, where you see your character doing stuff, those are are the videos using character models. And they arent good either, just a fill in.
We're talking about full cinema Pixar or ILM standard graphical models being used realtime in a game throughtout the whole game lifespan. Which aint gonna happen for a long time.
Originally posted by Mišt
What your talking about....is wrong. You go into an installed folder on your computer and look in the movies/cutscenes folder and you'll find a bunch of mpegs, or other files. Pre-renderd scenes. They are played like a movie file.But some games have those little scenes eg, Enter the Matrix, where you see your character doing stuff, those are are the videos using character models. And they arent good either, just a fill in.
We're talking about full cinema Pixar or ILM standard graphical models being used realtime in a game throughtout the whole game lifespan. Which aint gonna happen for a long time.
Exactly.
What avenger said is probably how the make the cutscenes, he just forgot to mention that it was a movie file that plays when in the code says, "play file2".
should i get the xbox 360 or wait for the ps3?
i know a few people who got the 360 and they arent blown away by it, my friend sent me some screenshots of a ps3 game and it looked way better than any of the 360 ones. im more of a playsation fan anyways, i had the psx and the ps2 and just recently got the normal xbox, but anywas what should i do?