Last-Gen Console Discussions (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii)

Originally posted by dirkdirden
It has and will always been about the developers, hardware is nothing without software to optimize it.

If the developers see the problems and switch from PS3 to Xbox so will I.

I hang out and know people who are like myself, so in that since it would have been very hard to find an xbox fan amongs the people I know. Just like it would be hard for you to find a sony fan out of your freinds. (also I like playing emulators on the 360 thats the main reason I bought it.)

Yeah they are loseing titles but it will take more than a few titles to even out the development. They would have to acctually lose a few not just share them.

So you are acknowledging that PS3 has problems and still have the guts to say it will come on top... wow. (by the way you also ackknowledged to constantly be flip flopping on the topic).

I have more friends who say PS3 is better yet they havent played it and most dont even know they have plenty of problems.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
Yeah they are loseing titles but it will take more than a few titles to even out the development. They would have to acctually lose a few not just share them.

Losing even a handful of the big formerly-exclusive titles can harm the PS3 greatly. Because who's going to drop $600 on a system when they can play a lot of the same games on a cheaper system? Assassin's Creed and GTA will not be moving any PS3s, like they would have were they not also going to be available on the 360, and it's going to likely be a good while before the PS3 will have any other big games that would have the potential of selling systems.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Developers follow the buyers. If a system is not selling well, developers will move to a different system. Simple as that. The PS2 rode in at the beginning on two things: 1. The success of the PS1, and 2. Its ability to play DVDs. Those two things combined meant that the PS2 moved more systems, which caught the eye of developers, who started developing for the PS2. As developers made more games, PS2 sold more systems, and as a result more developers came to the PS2. The situation snowballed, giving PS2 a near-monopoly on good games, which launched it into first place position.

Originally posted by General Kaliero

Here, it's a little different. Developers joined on PS3 right away, because everything worked so well with PS2. But then they discovered that the PS3's stuffed-in tech is hard to program for, much harder than the 360, which has been shown to have comparable power. Same quality game plus easier to develop for? Which do you think developers will want to pick?

Originally posted by General Kaliero

Let's not forget the Wii. Tons of developers are greatly intrigued by it, and are practically exploding with new ideas about what they can do with games, same way it happened with the DS. So the Wii's developer-gathering formula is fun plus ease of developing, because the hardware is very similar to the gamecube hardware, which was extremely easy to develop for even at its birth.

Originally posted by General Kaliero

Why are there so many developers signed on for PS3 still? Because Sony had them sign contracts legally binding them to develop so-and-so exclusively for the PS3. Such titles may be exclusive at first, but just like Namco and Capcom with Tales of Symphonia and Resident Evil 4 respectively, as soon as those contracts are up you can bet there will be quite a few ports to the 360.

I'm actually sick of people churning out crap for the DS because it is easy to make games for. It's a fantastic piece of kit with a lot of fantastic games but there is such a morass of shitty produce being dumped on it... very annoying.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
If the PS2 rode the PS1 what did the PS1 ride? there are a TON of PS1 games. most the developers were in line with sony during the PS1 and stayed on board for the ps2, and are still on board for the PS3. Using your logic the PS3 will ride on the success of the PS1, ps2, DVD, Blu-ray, and psp.

Developers will always pick what will make them the most money. The PS2 was just as hard to develop for as the ps3. Developers want to develop for all systems but they are paid a ton of money for exclusives, and when they choose not to go exclusive they aren't paided a dime. Sony didn't offer them enough money for assasins creed so they are going to release it on both systems becuase they will make more money that way.

We aren't talking about the wii everyone knows that will be a success. Most all companys will develop for the Wii and DS cash cows they are.

If that happends they will still just be ports....most all ports suck. RE4 is much better on GC, and so is supermonky ball. If they port the games over they will still be on the PS3. The Xbox will need more titles like blue dragon an xbox exclusive, not just a stupid port.

Did you have a PS1 when it first came out? Because I did. And it was a good year or two before there was a decent selection of games. There were some good ones at first, but once it started selling decently more developers moved to it. It needed to prove itself as a decent system first.

And on the ports...usually that's the case. But due to the fact that the 360 is easier to develop for, as compared to the PS3, I have a feeling that ports to the 360 will look just as good as the PS3 version, if not better, but ports to the PS3 will be inferior.

The main reason that RE4 was better on the GC as opposed to PS2 was because the Gamecube was the more powerful system, graphics-wise.

Originally posted by Lana
Losing even a handful of the big formerly-exclusive titles can harm the PS3 greatly. Because who's going to drop $600 on a system when they can play a lot of the same games on a cheaper system? Assassin's Creed and GTA will not be moving any PS3s, like they would have were they not also going to be available on the 360, and it's going to likely be a good while before the PS3 will have any other big games that would have the potential of selling systems.

I never said it was going to happen tomorrow. it will take time but as long as Sony hold the majority of developers they will come out in the lead in the long run. Also there are still no PS3 on shelfs and they ship thousands every week obviosly someone is buying them.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
I never said it was going to happen tomorrow. it will take time but as long as Sony hold the majority of developers they will come out in the lead in the long run. Also there are still no PS3 on shelfs and they ship thousands every week obviosly someone is buying them.

They're not really shipping THAT many a week, and they're staying on shelves longer than the DS is right now, to be honest.

Originally posted by Lana
Did you have a PS1 when it first came out? Because I did. And it was a good year or two before there was a decent selection of games. There were some good ones at first, but once it started selling decently more developers moved to it. It needed to prove itself as a decent system first.

And on the ports...usually that's the case. But due to the fact that the 360 is easier to develop for, as compared to the PS3, I have a feeling that ports to the 360 will look just as good as the PS3 version, if not better, but ports to the PS3 will be inferior.

The main reason that RE4 was better on the GC as opposed to PS2 was because the Gamecube was the more powerful system, graphics-wise.

I had a ps1 on release date and from 1997 and 1998 were the two strongest years of the ps1. Tenchu, FF7, FFT, Crash, parappa the rapper, wipeout, Tekken, RE2, xenogears, Castlevania, MGS and so many more games.

Ports are never as good if they are better then they aren't ports they are remakes. easy development will have nothing to do with the ports. A ps3 port to xbox will look worse on the xbox than on PS3. If resestence fall of man was ported over to xbox it wouldn't look as good.

RE4 was better on GC becuase it was desinged for the G, there were small glitches in the game, and the Graphics were worse becuase it was a port not becuase of graphical limitations.

Originally posted by Lana
They're not really shipping THAT many a week, and they're staying on shelves longer than the DS is right now, to be honest.

If you are compareing PS3 sales to DS sales the PS3 must be doing something right. I bought 2 DS's this month they are everyware no shortage at all.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
I had a ps1 on release date and from 1997 and 1998 were the two strongest years of the ps1. Tenchu, FF7, FFT, Crash, parappa the rapper, wipeout, Tekken, RE2, xenogears, Castlevania, MGS and so many more games.

Ports are never as good if they are better then they aren't ports they are remakes. easy development will have nothing to do with the ports. A ps3 port to xbox will look worse on the xbox than on PS3. If resestence fall of man was ported over to xbox it wouldn't look as good.

RE4 was better on GC becuase it was desinged for the G, there were small glitches in the game, and the Graphics were worse becuase it was a port not becuase of graphical limitations.

Unfortunately for you, Dirk, you have no evidence to support the idea that Resistance or any other PS3 game would look any worse if it were ported to the 360.

Capcom said themselves that the PS2 had graphical limitations while they were porting RE4. It's not because of this "graphical port curse" you seem to believe in, it's because the PS2 graphics were inferior.

Originally posted by dirkdirden
If you are compareing PS3 sales to DS sales the PS3 must be doing something right. I bought 2 DS's this month they are everyware no shortage at all.

Must be your area. There's not a single DS in stock at any stores in at least a 50 mile radius of where I am, yet several stores still have PS3s in stock. I know people all over the country who've been saying the same thing.

And I'm not quite sure where you got I was comparing the PS3 sales to the DS's sales. Rather I was pointing out that the PS3 hype has greatly died already, barely a month after the release.

Originally posted by Lana
Must be your area. There's not a single DS in stock at any stores in at least a 50 mile radius of where I am, yet several stores still have PS3s in stock. I know people all over the country who've been saying the same thing.

And I'm not quite sure where you got I was comparing the PS3 sales to the DS's sales. Rather I was pointing out that the PS3 hype has greatly died already, barely a month after the release.

Well you brought up the DS while we were talking about the PS3....just assumed you were compareing the too. And yes there is no DS shortage in my area.

The ps3 shouldn't of sold any systems really becuase there is nothing out for it. One title should never sell an intire console, and its not going to. The PS3 wont start selling good untill around next christmas, when some good games come out.

Originally posted by Lana
Must be your area. There's not a single DS in stock at any stores in at least a 50 mile radius of where I am, yet several stores still have PS3s in stock. I know people all over the country who've been saying the same thing.

And I'm not quite sure where you got I was comparing the PS3 sales to the DS's sales. Rather I was pointing out that the PS3 hype has greatly died already, barely a month after the release.

People in your area must hate Sony, I wish PS3's where in stock around here, I can't find them anywere and neither can anyone I know.

Originally posted by wuTa
People in your area must hate Sony, I wish PS3's where in stock around here, I can't find them anywere and neither can anyone I know.

My little store I work in, which maybe gets 3-4 PS3s at a time, actually had one in stock that hadn't been sold for two days. I was amazed. Especially as it seems most people around where I live check there before Target or Best Buy. Interest in the PS3 has dropped a lot, since it's been made clear all the issues with it, and the fact that there's no games and the ones that are out, look just as good if not better on the 360.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Unfortunately for you, Dirk, you have no evidence to support the idea that Resistance or any other PS3 game would look any worse if it were ported to the 360.

Capcom said themselves that the PS2 had graphical limitations while they were porting RE4. It's not because of this "graphical port curse" you seem to believe in, it's because the PS2 graphics were inferior.

Yes I have a ton of evidence to support it. Every ported game I have played is worse on the ported system regardless of which system is more powerfull. Xbox is far greater than Gamecube but a simple game like SuperMonky ball runs fine on the Gamecube but is slugish and blocky on the xbox. That is becuase the game was created for the Game cube, then forceable ported to the xbox. A port a game made for one console and forced to play on another. Like writeing C# code and doing an auto convert to VB its not going to run as good in VB.

Assasins creed will not be a port it will be released and made for both systems just like GTA will be and was. ports do not look as good as the orignal ever Xbox360 game ported over to PS3 will look worse, and every PS3 game ported to Xbox360 will look worse. Just how it works.

Originally posted by Lana
My little store I work in, which maybe gets 3-4 PS3s at a time, actually had one in stock that hadn't been sold for two days. I was amazed. Especially as it seems most people around where I live check there before Target or Best Buy. Interest in the PS3 has dropped a lot, since it's been made clear all the issues with it, and the fact that there's no games and the ones that are out, look just as good if not better on the 360.

Interest in the PS3 shouldn't of even been there in the first place there are no good game. So far the Xbox looks much better than PS3. There is no reason for any one to buy a ps3 right now, end of 2007 is a different story but right now no one should buy a 600 system with no games.

Originally posted by Lana
My little store I work in, which maybe gets 3-4 PS3s at a time, actually had one in stock that hadn't been sold for two days. I was amazed. Especially as it seems most people around where I live check there before Target or Best Buy. Interest in the PS3 has dropped a lot, since it's been made clear all the issues with it, and the fact that there's no games and the ones that are out, look just as good if not better on the 360.

yup

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
yup

I have always hated bundles. Bundles never bundle in good games, and for the PS3 there are no good games to bundle

Originally posted by dirkdirden
The only 2 games to get perfect scores are GOW and Oblivion. Only 2 great games in a years time not very good. PS3 and Wii will both have at least 5 perfect scoreing games by end of 2007.

Originally posted by K73SK
that's for now...ever looked at more of the games they'll have? 😬

PS3 will have Tekken 6, Metal Gear Solid 4, Final Fantasy XIII & versus, Afrika, Virtua Fighter 5, Lair, Devil may cry 4, Fifth Phantom Saga, The Getaway, Ni-OH, Omikron 2, Possession, ShadowClan, and Fatal Inertia

For me the PS3 is just looking better.