You know what makes me wonder.... Wii has shipped 4 million units and Nintendo has release how many they shipped and how many they have actually sold, same with Xbox 360 and PS3.
How many they shipped is actually how many they have sold to retailers and how many they have sold are the estimates from the retailers. (please correct me on this if I am wrong)
Originally posted by JToTheP
The only chance the Ps3 has is it's few-exclusives, like Heavy Rain, the game with the Red-head swordsman, FF13 as always with the fanboys/girls, Devil May Cry 4, and Metal Gear Solid 4. Otherwise the Ps3 has no chance to compete with the Wii or 360.
Devil May Cry will also be a 360 game. 2007 is looking great for Xbox, especially with Halo 3 and GTA IV coming out with GTA IV predicted to sell better on the 360 rather than the PS3. This will be tough year for Sony but a great year for the 360 💃
Originally posted by DraconianDevil
lol, I really hope this is the year that Sony crash and burn. After all the setbacks, bugged up systems.. this has to be their downfall. 2007 is make or break for Sonys PSP, but what were the thinking trying to have PSP compete with the 360. Now that the Wii has established itself, its 360 vs Wii!
I think you ment PS3 not PSP.
Sony isn't going to crash and burn because they have the cash cow that is the PS2 supporting them financially, as well as all there many other products and movies. The PS3 and PSP might not do very well but they aren't going to crash and burn any time soon.
Also I think a PSP price drop will come soon…..maybe around the time crisis core comes out. I think that will boost there sells when that game comes out and the price drops some.
As fore the PS3 it need three things to start taking in 2007; To prove it has better graphics then Xbox360, To get some good games on the table, To stop having press conferences because they always loose that game.
I think they left it open because they want to see how the sales of the game span out, MGS has always sold succuessfully on the Playstation platform, even more so then Xbox, but as this gen is so unpredicatable, it could go either way, I thin Kojjima is just seeing how it turns out. The fact that Kojima promises a large span of PSP intergration with the PS3 in both Metal Gear Acid games leads me to wonder what exactly this intergration consists of and how it would be possible with the 360, not only that, but if the controls will be making the most of the Sixaxis as Kojima again promises to the best of its ability, again, it leaves me wondering what a 360 version could hold, most likely it would be a vastly different gaming experience. With the PSP and the Sixaxis playing part, the gaming would be very different from what would be available on the 360. Not that thats a bad thing.
DMC4 is confirmed a PS3 exclusive, capcom just stomped it, and to be honest I'm not suprized, 360 currently has two of its games exclusive, the least they could do is leave a game that originated on the PS3 to remain where it is. But again, like MGS4, it could go multi depending on sales and the progress of PS3.
Why people keep going on about GTA is beyond me, 360 didn't GET GTA, it already had GTA -_- Its had GTA since GTA3, the fact its not exclusive to PS3 is no shock horror at all, I think more or leasss everyone knew it would be on 360, the only real thing Micro has done is bought the right to have the game on the same day as PS3, thats all rather then a year later. Sony didn't even need to pay for these rights 😖 And they still have the game, it hasn't lost exclusivity. Both versions will play differently, and have thier own exclusive content, so if you think about it, they'll be completly different gaming experinces, think of it as GTAPS3 and GTA360 rather then just GTA4 cos thats what they will be more like.
My last point for the night in responce to dirkdirden is that graphics don't determine how each console does, Wii has proven that, although there are high expectations, its gameplay, so far, the only graphical game I have seen worth playing is Gears of war and only because of the level of detail and gameplay, all others are nice and shiny but too shiny and it looks less real, in fact the graphics almost look glassy. Have a look at some of these shooters, deserts look clean and smooth rather then rugged, if anything, older gen graphics looked more realistic then some games I see today, the world isn't made of glass, humans don't have perfectly rounded faces, girls don't walk around like s***s and enter tournaments (Which leads me onto the fact that the way females are portrayed in games could determine wether they buy it or not, you would not as a guy like to see a half naked man fighting or running about with his bits bobbing infront of your face) or fight for America.
If you are going to add nice graphics, at least use it to make realistic enviroments, not make everything glossy.
Thank you all, and goodnight ^^
Originally posted by Pulse2
4, it could go multi depending on sales and the progress of PS3.Why people keep going on about GTA is beyond me, 360 didn't GET GTA, it already had GTA -_- Its had GTA since GTA3, the fact its not exclusive to PS3 is no shock horror at all, I think more or leasss everyone knew it would be on 360, the only real thing Micro has done is bought the right to have the game on the same day as PS3, thats all rather then a year later. Sony didn't even need to pay for these rights 😖 And they still have the game, it hasn't lost exclusivity. Both versions will play differently, and have thier own exclusive content, so if you think about it, they'll be completly different gaming experinces, think of it as GTAPS3 and GTA360 rather then just GTA4 cos thats what they will be more like.
It's a big deal because Sony PS2 having exclusive rights to GTA3 was one of main reasons for PS2 dominance.
Having GTA4 released on the same day is a huge dent into Sony because people would buy an PS3 just for GTA4. They did it with GTA3, and they would of done it with GTA4. Not anymore. Considering all ports to the PS3 look identical or slightly less better than the 360 games will make a huge dent into Sony PS3 sales. Why?
Well who would buy an consoles thats 200 dollars more for a game when its also released on the other console which has the same graphics?
Originally posted by AstroFanWrong... The PS2 dominated because it was the most widely spanned gaming console, it catered for all requirements, English who loved football had it, Japanese who loved RPG had lots, if anything, GTA was the seller for American's, not the rest of the world.
One could argue that GTA3 was the strongest reason PS2 dominated the last generation, or atleast the start of the domination.
GTA is a great game, no doubt, and one of the biggest titles on PS, but when any person could pick up a PS2 and get GTA, MGS, ZOE, Rachet and clank, Jak and daxter, Eye toy, cheap online gameplay (not exactly xbox live, but regardless, it had more people playing on it and that can't be argued against), hundreds of Japanese games I have never even heard of, Shadow of the collosus, God of war, GT (One of the best selling games of al time), Final fantasy, NFS, Midnight club, Smackdown vs raw, probably the most comfortable controller of last gen, the size of the PS2 compared to the original Xbox, Tekken, Soul Calibur, VF, and loads of other fighters.
Look, you get the idea, there was more rason to buy PS2 then just MGS and GTA, they were 2 of many great titles on PS2, just a mere 2. Maybe GTA was the best selling, doesn't make it the best, thats like saying the only reason people bought the original Xbox was for Halo or the Gamecube for smash brothers. Heck, thats like saying the only game worth looking forward to on the 360 is Halo 3, and this is not true. PS3 cannot currently be put into the same box as PS2, but it could do if Sony buckles up, stops the chit chat and gets rolling, we didn't need the FPS genre to make PS2 the best selling console of all time, nor did we need Xbox live, nor did we need fancy graphics and motion sensitive controllers, all we need is a variety of great games, that is it and that will always be it.
Give me a console with more fun games to pick up and too hell with online, graphics and anything else. PS3 will not flop because it doesn't have GTA4 exclusive or have MGS4 exclusive, they were never fully exclusive in the first place and still made the PS2 the best selling console, heck, something else might overtake GTA4 and MGS4, how are we so sure that LA Noire isn't the next big thing, or Killzone 2, or ZOE, each gen has something different, PS1 had FF7 and crash bandicoot, PS2 had GTA, God of war, GT4, Jak and Daxter and MGS, what will PS3 have. Same thing with Nintendo, nes had Mario, Snes had something else, can't remember, N64 had Donkey Kong and Project Zero, and gamecube had Smash brothers, pokemon and Metroid. Each gen has a different game as the dominator, I was hoping that Gears of war would be the next best thing for 360 in front of Halo, guess not. Personally, I had more fun playing Gears of war then playing any Halo game thus far, the first Halo was cool, but it got broring fast, and the second one was like playing Halo 1 continued, I don't expect much from Halo 3 to appeal to me to be honest, but no doubt I will try it at some point, I'm not some iddiot fanboy who would dare not touch a 360. I like games, I may not be particually interested in a majority of 360 games at the moment but Gears does me just fine for the moment.
I have never bought a Halo game, and don't intend to, I'll either borrow or rent. I'm really hoping that some other genres get more attention on the 360 this gen, maybe a game to replace Halo in another genre, heres hoping we see a best selling RPG, a best selling racer, a best selling beat em up, a best selling platformer.
The real let down is the price of PS3, its nice to see bluray is performing well, but due to the success of bluray, PS3 is paying the price for it. We are seeing more of the bluray, less of the games. No suprise really, Playstation is always known for starting off crap, it just needs its first exclusive title worth playing to really start up its engine, Resistance is a good start, but isn't even nearly enough.
If anything, I am looking forward to a God of war 3, Wipeout sequel, ZOE 3, Rachet and clank 4, Pro evolution and GT5 more so then MGS4, I want MGS4 and GTA4 of course, but they aren't the only two games I like
Originally posted by Pulse2The real let down is the price of PS3, its nice to see bluray is performing well, but due to the success of bluray, PS3 is paying the price for it. We are seeing more of the bluray, less of the games. No suprise really, Playstation is always known for starting off crap, it just needs its first exclusive title worth playing to really start up its engine, Resistance is a good start, but isn't even nearly enough.
If anything, I am looking forward to a God of war 3, Wipeout sequel, ZOE 3, Rachet and clank 4, Pro evolution and GT5 more so then MGS4, I want MGS4 and GTA4 of course, but they aren't the only two games I like
Its a lot easier to slap a movie on bluray, and quicker, than to develop a whole game.
I've noticed Ps3 sales jumping quite a bit lately, in colorado, the Best Buy in Highlands Ranch sell 10-15 sometimes 20 a day.
My store sells 3-4 a day, and some others don't sell for crap.
Originally posted by Pulse2
My last point for the night in responce to dirkdirden is that graphics don't determine how each console does, Wii has proven that, although there are high expectations, its gameplay, so far, the only graphical game I have seen worth playing is Gears of war and only because of the level of detail and gameplay, all others are nice and shiny but too shiny and it looks less real, in fact the graphics almost look glassy. Have a look at some of these shooters, deserts look clean and smooth rather then rugged, if anything, older gen graphics looked more realistic then some games I see today, the world isn't made of glass, humans don't have perfectly rounded faces, girls don't walk around like s***s and enter tournaments (Which leads me onto the fact that the way females are portrayed in games could determine wether they buy it or not, you would not as a guy like to see a half naked man fighting or running about with his bits bobbing infront of your face) or fight for America.If you are going to add nice graphics, at least use it to make realistic enviroments, not make everything glossy.
I'm an RPG fan graphics don't mean anything to me, I like the SNES rpg's better than most new PS2 rpg's, but if I'm at the store about to buy a new system. One system is 400 bucks and the other is 600 bucks, I would expect the 600 dolor system to out perform the 400 dolor system and as of now it doesn't. I would also expect the 600 dolor system to have better games than the 400 dolor system and it doesn’t.
Graphic are a huge part of new systems. If the Wii had better graphics than xbox360 and PS3 you are telling me that it would change the sales because graphics don't mean anything. I think Graphic mean a great deal in many people and developers minds. If they Wii's graphics were better than the PS3 and Xbox360 it would completely dominate over both systems even more than the PS2 did.
and lastly every factor in the world plays into how well a console does; Graphics, game play, games, online, the press, console look, reliability, console name, console company, console origin, controller, how many controller ports, wifi, memory, advertising, and even something as little as fanboyizim. Every thing effects how well a console does some more then other but every little thing will directly affect the sales of the console.
Originally posted by Pulse2
Wrong... The PS2 dominated because it was the most widely spanned gaming console, it catered for all requirements, English who loved football had it, Japanese who loved RPG had lots, if anything, GTA was the seller for American's, not the rest of the world.GTA is a great game, no doubt, and one of the biggest titles on PS, but when any person could pick up a PS2 and get GTA, MGS, ZOE, Rachet and clank, Jak and daxter, Eye toy, cheap online gameplay (not exactly xbox live, but regardless, it had more people playing on it and that can't be argued against), hundreds of Japanese games I have never even heard of, Shadow of the collosus, God of war, GT (One of the best selling games of al time), Final fantasy, NFS, Midnight club, Smackdown vs raw, probably the most comfortable controller of last gen, the size of the PS2 compared to the original Xbox, Tekken, Soul Calibur, VF, and loads of other fighters.
We didnt say GTA3 was the only reason, we just said it was the main reason for people to pick up an PS2 rather than an XBOX because it had gta3 and the Xbox had only halo.
That was huge selling point for the pS2.
You mention all those games, but 1/2 were on the xbox too, or if they werent, they was something to replace them with. But now, 3/4 of those games will be ported.