Last-Gen Console Discussions (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii)

Originally posted by Ushgarak
SDJ, what you think about backwards compatibility is neither here nor there. It is simply sa well established marketing fact that backwards compatibility is a major factor in ales0 and ironically it was Sony who proved that.

So think all the people who care about it are stupid all you like- doesn't matter a damn, they are still the paying pubic.

The European market has never had the backwards compatible version, I will remind people, and that has been a source of heavy criticism. That said, it can do a lot of it in software... but even so, not a good point.

I know I shouldn't be saying this to you Ush, but Spellcheck please

and I never said people "are stupid" for caring about BC... what I'm saying it's that considering the feature to play old games (I'm talking about those who already have a PS2) over playing new next gen games, to me, it's ridiculous... chances are you already played them anyways... it's better to just keep your old console, instead of wasting 400-500$ in a new one.
And those who never have a PS2 would have to consider it when purchasing one,... they'd be better off buying a PS2... plus it's cheaper.

and being bother with having to unplug when there are no outlets available... well 😬... I should have consider Laziness as a factor

AGAIN: NO ONE is forcing you to buy a PS3... when comparing prices and features, you are damn capable of making a decision... if the lack of BC it's troubling to you, and the new games don't attract you, then it's simple, don't BUY IT. You are the one who's paying for it, "The Paying Public" indeed

It's just that I don't understand this bickering whenever SONY makes a bad decision.... please explain to me how it hurts you?
no one forces you to believe in what they say.
you don't work for Sony, so they losing or going Bankrupt doesnt hurt you? or does it?
If you already have a PS3, I can see why they losing and getting out of the business could be a problem for you. but BC? you already have it in your system. it's not like the new versions are out yet and Sony it's not going to force you to trade it for the newer versions. The new version lacking BC does not hurt you one bit.

I'm pretty much aware of the European PS3 (I acknowledged it in my previous post) no need to remind it. And yes it features BC by Software emulation. It is bound to get criticism (they're Sony after all), but it's present, just like a 360.

I'm weighing my options: MGS4 and FFXIII, besides the Blue-ray Player, are reason enough, for me, to get one. It's my decision to make

And please:
who are you to tell me what to think or not?
I'm entitled to express my opinion, just like you are. It's my opinion, you are not one to judge if it's worth a damn or not.
choose to address it or ignore it, but don't tell me it's worth not a damn. I know there are some people around that agree with me.

you are Moderator, but going around telling people what to say or think and telling them how much their input it's worth it's not within your duty.
need I remind you that?

Originally posted by Lana
That would be a good point if not for one factor. Sony's not going to keep making the PS2 forever. Considering how much games for it have slowed the past few months I wouldn't be surprised if this Christmas is the last for the PS2. Not to mention that the PS2 isn't quite the most reliable system in the world - we like to joke at work that the reason sales for it are so high is because everyone who's ever bought one has had to get a second because their first broke. Case in point, my family has had three break on us.

And you say no one's making people get rid of their old systems. Of course not. But that's just stupid, isn't it? Sony has always made a big deal out of full backwards compatibility, and now they've effectively cut it out, making people keep their old systems around in order to play their old games.

... so:
let's say you have a 360 (I dont know if you do) and in 3 years your warranty runs out... what are you going to do if brakes? or if it breaks again?
get a new one? how's that any different
Sony obviously wont be making the PS2 forever... but they still will for sometime seeing how successful it is... and how unsuccessful PS3 has gotten. And getting a PS2 (either used or new) wont be that much troublesome as it's make out to be... they can get repaired. maybe not all of them, but they can

I have my old consoles around... the one I got rid of was the one I didn't like that much.

it doesnt sound different then say... Nintendo. the difference now it's their making you pay for games that maybe you already owned, and paid for before...

but that's just my opinion...

Little is more feeble than picking out typos in the course of an argument. It says a lot about the mindset of the poster, and nothing good- especially from someone who lakced the attention to detail to check whether I was form Europe myself before saying that it should alreayd be in 'my' system. Yes, the paying public- the paying public that is a heck of a lot more important than what you have to say.

Everything you say after that is completely irrelevant. People are simply commenting on the fact that it is a bad thing that the PS3 has backwards compatability issues. You talk a lot of gibberish about it not affecting us. So what? This is the discussion area for such consoles. It's entirely reasonable for people to comment upon the problems of those consoles. If you don't like that, tough. You sure as hell have no right to criticise people for voicing such an opinion, especially such a reasonable one.

As for who I am to tell you what to think- I don;t need to be anyone at all, other than the guy pointing out what is flawed about what you say. It is not reasonable for you to criticise people for making fair comment. And no, what you think on that really is not worth a damn.

And do not presume to lecture me on my duties as a mod. I know them very well indeed, and there is absolutely nothing you can say to me or remind me about that. keep your posts on topic; make more comments like that, which are effectively just attacks on me, and you will be warned for it.

If I got a 360 and it broke in three years after the warranty ran out (the extended warranty only covers very specific problems, btw, not everything), then I'd be able to get a new one easily.

But if I got a PS3 with no backwards compatibility on it and my PS2 died in a couple years, chances are it wouldn't be very easy to replace.

I disagree hugely on Sony continuing to stick with the PS2 for too much longer. As I pointed out already, games for it are slowing down a lot and have been all year. There's very little in the way of big games coming out on it in the next few months. This will probably be the last Christmas for it. PS3 doing poorly or not, Sony is still going to soon cut out the PS2 and concentrate solely on the PS3.

And no, no one is making anyone buy the PS3. But some people want the games that are going to be on it. And some people replay their old games! Sometimes people might buy old games they might not have had before! And if a company's going to brag about backwards compatibility so much, and then cut it back or cut it entirely, people are going to be pissed. And Sony IS making it so that if you get a PS3 now you will either have limited backwards compatibility or none at all.

Speaking of backwards compability, I just recently borrowed Ninja Gaiden to see what all the fuss is about.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Little is more feeble than picking out typos in the course of an argument. It says a lot about the mindset of the poster, and nothing good- especially from someone who lakced the attention to detail to check whether I was form Europe myself before saying that it should alreayd be in 'my' system. Yes, the paying public- the paying public that is a heck of a lot more important than what you have to say.

Everything you say after that is completely irrelevant. People are simply commenting on the [b]fact that it is a bad thing that the PS3 has backwards compatability issues. You talk a lot of gibberish about it not affecting us. So what? This is the discussion area for such consoles. It's entirely reasonable for people to comment upon the problems of those consoles. If you don't like that, tough. You sure as hell have no right to criticise people for voicing such an opinion, especially such a reasonable one.

As for who I am to tell you what to think- I don;t need to be anyone at all, other than the guy pointing out what is flawed about what you say. It is not reasonable for you to criticise people for making fair comment. And no, what you think on that really is not worth a damn.

And do not presume to lecture me on my duties as a mod. I know them very well indeed, and there is absolutely nothing you can say to me or remind me about that. keep your posts on topic; make more comments like that, which are effectively just attacks on me, and you will be warned for it. [/B]

*sighs*

I may not personally know you, or even spoke directly to you before, but I've seen your post and agreed on you on different matters, and disagree on others.
that's why it really surprised me that of all people, you would be the one to implied I insulted people by calling them stupid or tell me that it doesn't matter a damn what I think.

I can not say for certain (because I don't know you) that you're or you are not from Europe. I never say one or the other, neither did I imply it. It is pretty obvious from your profile that your location its registered to be in the UK (there's something about Spellcheking in there too).

I meant "you" as a general expression, not directed solely to you. I don't know if you have a PS3, I meant that for those who already have a PS3. BC shouldn't be a problem to them. I don't see why not acknowledging your location is relevant. If you thought it was directed to you, then I apologize cuz it was not.

I am part of the paying public, I'm deciding to whom I give my money. Again you're saying that what I have to say it's less important than that of the group of which I'm part of.

You're saying what I say it's irrelevant (again diminishing my opinion), when I'm still referring to the topic and voicing my way of thinking (or gibberish to you)

it is not reasonable for you to say my opinion it's not worth a damn, or implied that I insulted someone (or think bad of them) just as it is unreasonable for you to tell me not to make a rebuttal to your accusations.

I am as well the guy pointing out the wrongness in your accusations... and in a way in your spell.

As you said "It is not reasonable for you to criticise people for making fair comment"

Your duties as a moderator are clear for everyone in this board. I'm sure (I apologize for getting others in this discussion) other moderators such as Lana or Backfire would have corrected or warned me if I have incurred in a fault worthy of a warning.

I didnt know disagreeing with a Mod is considered a fault. I did not insult you or attack you, while you dare to imply I spoke badly of someone and continued to state that my opinion its worthless.

I dont want to further clogged this thread, so if we continue this, let's do so by PM

Okay, couple things here.

Number one, who cares about typos? Pointing that out in a debate is generally a sign that you have no real argument left. Also if you want to pick at someone else's typing, you should probably make sure yours is perfect yourself, else you just look the fool.

Number two, you know nothing about mod duties, so you may as well just stop with that line right there. Also, we're allowed to participate on the forums as normal members as well. We're not constantly in mod-mode. Understand that real fast. And picking at a mod for 'not doing their duties' for no reason at all is effectively insulting them. It's the same as calling someone else an idiot for no reason at all.

(and as for the comment about myself or BF calling you out if it were a problem - it depends on who's online as to who replies first. Ush simply beat me to it. Also, he's been a mod a lot longer than either of us as well)

Number three, nowhere did Ush actually tell you what to think or say. I can't even understand how you construed that from his post.

And your opinion IS largely irrelevant. The vast majority of people want the backwards compatibility capability. You are among a very tiny minority who do not care, and your points are baseless. They pretty much boil down to "Sony will do what they want, including turning their back on something they had always said they'd have, and if you can't play your old games it's your own fault".

Oh, and Sony dropping BC on the PS3 does effect us. It effects every single person who hasn't yet bought a PS3 but intends to in the future because we won't be able to play our older games without keeping around an aging system with a reputation of unreliability and hoping it doesn't break down.

I dont think consumers will let sony get away with it.. at least not the ones who are informed

You'd think, but with the entire PS3 thing Sony's pretty much been "this is good because we say so" and completely ignoring all criticisms.

I feel inclined to make some derogatory remark about SDJ's response to Ush's post, but I'll simply say that he over-reacted.

The lack of backwards compability really bothers me in all cases. The jump from cartridged-N64 to disced-Gamecube drove me bonkers, though the Wii is somewhat solving that problem with their online service.

The Wii's Vitrual Console just recent upped their prices for Wii Points. ermm

Originally posted by Impediment
The Wii's Vitrual Console just recent upped their prices for Wii Points. ermm

Umm, they have?

The VC page on Nintendo's site shows the same prices it always was.

Correction:

The prices for Wii points remain. ($1 per 100 credits i.e., 1,000 points for $10), but now games from different consoles cost more points. SNES games, for example, are now 900 points, as to the original 700-800 point range.

Originally posted by S_D_J
*sighs*

I may not personally know you, or even spoke directly to you before, but I've seen your post and agreed on you on different matters, and disagree on others.
that's why it really surprised me that of all people, you would be the one to implied I insulted people by calling them stupid or tell me that it doesn't matter a damn what I think.

I can not say for certain (because I don't know you) that you're or you are not from Europe. I never say one or the other, neither did I imply it. It is pretty obvious from your profile that your location its registered to be in the UK (there's something about Spellcheking in there too).

I meant "you" as a general expression, not directed solely to you. I don't know if you have a PS3, I meant that for those who already have a PS3. BC shouldn't be a problem to them. I don't see why not acknowledging your location is relevant. If you thought it was directed to you, then I apologize cuz it was not.

I am part of the paying public, I'm deciding to whom I give my money. Again you're saying that what I have to say it's less important than that of the group of which I'm part of.

You're saying what I say it's irrelevant (again diminishing my opinion), when I'm still referring to the topic and voicing my way of thinking (or gibberish to you)

it is not reasonable for you to say my opinion it's not worth a damn, or implied that I insulted someone (or think bad of them) just as it is unreasonable for you to tell me not to make a rebuttal to your accusations.

I am as well the guy pointing out the wrongness in your accusations... and in a way in your spell.

As you said "It is not reasonable for you to criticise people for making fair comment"

Your duties as a moderator are clear for everyone in this board. I'm sure (I apologize for getting others in this discussion) other moderators such as Lana or Backfire would have corrected or warned me if I have incurred in a fault worthy of a warning.

I didnt know disagreeing with a Mod is considered a fault. I did not insult you or attack you, while you dare to imply I spoke badly of someone and continued to state that my opinion its worthless.

I dont want to further clogged this thread, so if we continue this, let's do so by PM

Lana pretty much said it- I clocked you as a mod first. As I say, don't make attacks like that again. Also, do not try and martyr yourself by making out that disagreeing with a mod is a fault. That's not it at all, what you did was use my position as a mod as a reason to attack me, implying I was using mod status to override your position. That is total nonsense (aside from anything else, I would have said theexact same things, mod or not) and to attack as as such is simply a personal attack which is against the rules- and as I say, do it again and you will be warned. So to be sure- you HAVE incurred such a fault. Do not be under any illusions about that.

Nor was I telling you what you can and cannot think. I was simply pointing out that your attempts to make out that the backwards compatiblity problem was not a significant one was irrelevant because it causes poor sales, which IS a problem, whatever your opinion on it is, which is why people around here can use it as a legitimate point of criticism.

So, two things- your opinion that this BC issue is not a big one is simply wrong, opinion or otherwise. That is why it is irrelevant. Secondly, your opinion that it is in any way reasonable to criticise others for expressing their dissatisfaction with the BC issue is also simply wrong. That's the issue here. Nothing to do with me trying to silence you as a mod. Simply to do with you not being right on either case- the BC issue IS a problem, and as such it is ludicrous to attack people for saying so. I didn't diminish your opinion- it was already as diminished as it could be when you expressed it.

I did not imply you insulted people at all- again, you exaggerate to try and gain sympathy for yourself. I said you criticsed other people for it. Again- simple fact.

If you must obsessively point out typos, then fine- though as I say, that simply does nothing at all other than speak very badly of you. As for me being from Europe, though, that takes you half a second- that I am from the UK is blatantly listed on the side of every post I make. That doesn't make you look too good either.

Originally posted by Impediment
The Wii's Vitrual Console just recent upped their prices for Wii Points. ermm

Wow, crappier games for higher prices, SCORE! 😐

Three ****ing Neo Geo games this week, WTF? I didnt buy a Wii to play crap like that. 😬

The main problem with he VC is that it is a bit overpriced. I guess it is now a bit MORE overpriced.

Honestly, Nintendo have to think straight here. The VC requires an internet connection which requires a PC, and with a PC you can emulate almost any of those games for free in almost no time at all (and the rest, just take a little longer).

If they cost the equivalent of a few quid each then getitng it for free is simply what a heck of a lot of people will do. The music industry has long learned to make tracks available for download CHEAP in order to combat the fact that you can get tracks for free, and that works- people seem willing to pay a small price for the feeling of legitimacy. But nothing more than small. Nintendo should learn.

After all, I cannot believe they thought they were losing money on it.

I was honestly okay with the prices, but if they went up, that bothers me. I hadnt bought a VC game in months as it was, now the prices are jacked up and Nintendo is digging up every obscure console it can to keep from releasing "Nintendo" games. 😬

With the sudden decision to release imports, I was kind of hoping we'd get more Japan-exclusive Nintendo games. Sin & Punishment was a good buy. But then they toss out three Neo Geo fighters? Not fair.

Yeah, I think they should just make it to where they release one game from eachh system every week. They could do that every week and not run out in the Wii's lifespan.

Originally posted by AstroFan
I was honestly okay with the prices, but if they went up, that bothers me. I hadnt bought a VC game in months as it was, now the prices are jacked up and Nintendo is digging up every obscure console it can to keep from releasing "Nintendo" games. 😬

I'm still waiting for Super Mario Bros 3. I want to play the original so bad!

Still waiting for GoldenEye, know it won't come, but still waiting...