Originally posted by Draco69
I personally support as much flaming and naysayers as possible. PLEASE. By all means flame, moan and groan as much as possible.I also support as many anti-Sony biased articles as possibly.
Negative criticism is good. Sony is already beginning to reassess their strategy since so many people are complaining about the price.
I dont think the price can go even lower than it is now.
Originally posted by Smasandian
I dont think the price can go even lower than it is now.
If they're willing to make sacrifices in order to sell their product, sure. Such as cutting back on manufacturing production costs, capital costs, etc.
Anyhoo, law of economics states that once there is a low demand for a high supply of goods, the price will go down regardless of costs.
Which is why I ALWAYS wait before I buy a new system. I just don't get people who are willing to buy new technology (that is bound to be glitchy...yes I'm looking at you Xbox 360 owners.) for a very high price with only a few games out.
I usually wait at least six to eight months so the library can stack up and the price goes down.
The PSP has consistently been at $249.99 because apparently it's selling well enough to meet costs and sustain profit margins. They were smart enough to produce as many as there are sold.
Originally posted by Draco69
If they're willing to make sacrifices in order to sell their product, sure. Such as cutting back on manufacturing production costs, capital costs, etc.Anyhoo, law of economics states that once there is a low demand for a high supply of goods, the price will go down regardless of costs.
Which is why I ALWAYS wait before I buy a new system. I just don't get people who are willing to buy new technology (that is bound to be glitchy...yes I'm looking at you Xbox 360 owners.) for a very high price with only a few games out.
I usually wait at least six to eight months so the library can stack up and the price goes down.
The PSP has consistently been at $249.99 because apparently it's selling well enough to meet costs and sustain profit margins. They were smart enough to produce as many as there are sold.
Arent they considerably losing money anyways?
I dont find it a problem for people to buy console's at launch. It's their money right?
Especially if the system is completly better than the older like 2d to 3d.
Well, to me if you look at their launch dates for games they leave about 2 weeks straight with no game launch, and then they start up again. Somewhere between the End of September and Mid October is what I believe they will launch the Wii.
Thats proof the Wii will launch on October 2nd. Good enough for me to believe.
PS3 is more powerful...but nonbody knows the difference yet.
But I dont think its an extra $200 dollars more powerful.
You can find the specs on most gaming websites, and I think Gamespot has a really tech feature about the difference.
Overall, the 360 can still do keep up with PS3 and maybe 4 years from now, you'll notice something really different.
Originally posted by headrek1
I'm sorry, but does anyone know the specs of the PS3, I bought a 360 thinking that it would outlast the PS3 graphically. But the consensus seems to be that the PS3 is the more powerful of the two. I mean after playing Oblivion on an HD TV it seems unthinkable that sony could top that.
can you show us this consensus you looked at or did you make it up?
Originally posted by El_NINO
Well, to me if you look at their launch dates for games they leave about 2 weeks straight with no game launch, and then they start up again. Somewhere between the End of September and Mid October is what I believe they will launch the Wii.Thats proof the Wii will launch on October 2nd. Good enough for me to believe.
Originally posted by MadMel
that has nothing to do with the launch of nintendo wii..i looked at every link on that page, and i found no 'proof' or any information at all...bangin..
type 'wii' in the search and look at the dates.
Well if you go to www.bestbuy.ca and search 'wii' you will see a launch date of November 30th, in Canada anyways. So this leaves me to believe that either in October or November Wii will launch.
Originally posted by Smasandian
Arent they considerably losing money anyways?I dont find it a problem for people to buy console's at launch. It's their money right?
Especially if the system is completly better than the older like 2d to 3d.
They just made a relatively significant profit. Like nearly 300 million dollars. Which is very, very good for an electronics corporation.
Most people forget that Sony isn't Nintendo or Sega. They don't rely on video games. In fact the SEC doesn't make even a third of the company's profits. It's the camcorders, TVs, DVD players, computer chips and military capital they provide to nations worldwide.
So even if only 13 PS3s are sold worldwide, they'll suffer a blow but it certainly won't sink them like it would to Nintendo or it had done to Sega.
Sony seems to be building the PS3 has something with longetivity. Something to last the next two or three generations. I doubt they'll suceed but...
Originally posted by headrek1
I'm sorry, but does anyone know the specs of the PS3, I bought a 360 thinking that it would outlast the PS3 graphically. But the consensus seems to be that the PS3 is the more powerful of the two. I mean after playing Oblivion on an HD TV it seems unthinkable that sony could top that.
Did you watch FXIII. That's uber graphics. And they're only about 10% done with that game.
The Blu-Ray for better or for worse simply allows game developers more room to build games with large interactivity and larger games.
The main problem today with game develops is simply lack of space on disc. They're having trouble (even with disc compression) trying to break the barrier of that disc space doesn't allow.
The Wii is relatively the same with the Gamecube. A bit better but with more powerful cell processor to back it.
The Xbox 360 has substantially better with disc space do to more advanced compression. And they also have a very powerful cell processor to back it.
The PS3 if you understand the specs and understand the terminology has the POTENTIAL to blow the other two out of the water in terms of graphics, sound and everything else.
However the technology is still very, very new and they're just trying it out.
The PS3 is very expensive. But's it not because they WANT it to be expensive. It's the costs of the product. The technology is new and very powerful. Particularly the Blu-Ray Drive.
Even if the Blu-Rays fail, the PS3 will still be using it to make games.
If they utilize the full potential of the Blu-Ray, it would be amazing.
Imagine a Marvel Universe game allowing you to be play EVERY Marvel Character with the individual depth of Dante or Sora's gameplay abilities and the allowance to roam to every location on the planet. It's capable of this but it's still very, very far away. Alot are saying the PS3 is ahead of its time...
Originally posted by Draco69
The Wii is relatively the same with the Gamecube. A bit better but with more powerful cell processor to back it.The Wii is pretty much nothing like any previous console, which is part of what makes it so likeable. If you're talking about graphics, go check out Red Steel videos.
However the technology is still very, very new and they're just trying it out.
From experience, it's simply a bad idea to base an entire console on "trying out" new technology without having other solid ground for it to stand on. That's part of the reason the Virtual Boy failed.
Originally posted by Draco69
Did you watch FXIII. That's uber graphics. And they're only about 10% done with that game.The Blu-Ray for better or for worse simply allows game developers more room to build games with large interactivity and larger games.
The main problem today with game develops is simply lack of space on disc. They're having trouble (even with disc compression) trying to break the barrier of that disc space doesn't allow.
The Wii is relatively the same with the Gamecube. A bit better but with more powerful cell processor to back it.
The Xbox 360 has substantially better with disc space do to more advanced compression. And they also have a very powerful cell processor to back it.
The PS3 if you understand the specs and understand the terminology has the POTENTIAL to blow the other two out of the water in terms of graphics, sound and everything else.
However the technology is still very, very new and they're just trying it out.
The PS3 is very expensive. But's it not because they WANT it to be expensive. It's the costs of the product. The technology is new and very powerful. Particularly the Blu-Ray Drive.
Even if the Blu-Rays fail, the PS3 will still be using it to make games.
If they utilize the full potential of the Blu-Ray, it would be amazing.
Imagine a Marvel Universe game allowing you to be play EVERY Marvel Character with the individual depth of Dante or Sora's gameplay abilities and the allowance to roam to every location on the planet. It's capable of this but it's still very, very far away. Alot are saying the PS3 is ahead of its time...
That's all fine and dandy, but people still have to buy it and even hardcore Sony fans will be taken aback about how much its going to cost. Sony has some very bad press going for them.
That would be great to have that type of game, but how much do you think that game will cost to make? How much time and effort will it take for an developing firm to make that game? Are we going to expect that the major developers will take 5-6 years to make one game?
It was mentioned earlier about the whole Sony image. They're baseing alot on the PS3, if it doesnt sell, which might actually happen, they're not going to be the same company.
Originally posted by Smasandian
That's all fine and dandy, but people still have to buy it and even hardcore Sony fans will be taken aback about how much its going to cost. Sony has some very bad press going for them.
As said before, the more negative press the better. Sony will fold whether it likes it or not. The laws of economics are more powerful than executive corporate decisions.
Originally posted by Smasandian
That would be great to have that type of game, but how much do you think that game will cost to make? How much time and effort will it take for an developing firm to make that game? Are we going to expect that the major developers will take 5-6 years to make one game?
It doesn't already take 5-6 years to make a game? *looks 'squarely' at Square-Enix. "Ya know, I was still in middle school when FFX came out.....I'm almost done with college....and FFXII is STILL not out yet!"*
Technology evolves with the system. In the beginning it will take a reputable amount of time to make such a game, but when technology evolves (and it will), the production time to make such a game will substantially decrease. Sony seems to be taking a futurist approach to their system. Which is why they have a ridiculous load of new technology. The other corporations, for better or for worse, are taking a more practical path for the present.
My main concern is that Wii and Xbox360 also strive to make innovation and further technology use for games in the gaming industry.
The Wii has a very innovative gameplay mechanic but not much else is improved in terms of technology. One major worry I have as touched on with IGN is that they're going create cute, gimmicky games that have near zero cost and will sell for millions. You would play a glorified whack a mole with the Wii controller. If this turns out to be largely and incredibly successful, it may have a detrimental impact on the gaming market. Gaming industries will realize that "hey, Nintendo just realeased a game where the object is to wack a Pikachu with your controller...they made millions! Let's do the same!" I'm afraid gaming firms will abandon great graphics, intense gameplay and other next-generation modules for arcade games that cost alot less to make but are very profitable. It would make us hit a threshold.
I sincerely hope Nintendo doesn't go that route. Some of their games like Metroid and Zelda look 'revolutionary' in terms of gameplay. Others look just plain gimmicky and serve as a novelty.
The Xbox360 seems to be expanding on online features but has taken the middle "safe" road of not adding much new except greater online functions.
The PS3 is a tossup. It's a great risk. It may be ahead of its time. And it's using technology nobody really understands that well. They almost seem to be making a capital product than a consumer product. And that may be their swing or miss.
Originally posted by Smasandian
It was mentioned earlier about the whole Sony image. They're baseing alot on the PS3, if it doesnt sell, which might actually happen, they're not going to be the same company.
There already thousands of pre-orders. ($190?!) so it's not likely to fail like everyone thinks it may. I'll get one too...and everyone else is likely to get one too..eventually. Everyone's gonna groan and moan about the price. But when they see the onslaught of exclusive third-party games like Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear and Kingdom Hearts that made the previous two machines so popular, they're likely to fold and buy one.
It won't sell well initially in comparision to the Wii or Xbox due the high price and lack of games in the first year. But when the ball starts rolling and large supplies and low demand drives the price down, the PS3 will quickly gain momentum.
I've heard alot of people say they're going to buy the system just for Metal Gear 4....
The Ipod is a good example. It's very expensive. It cost nearly as much as the PS3 in some countries. And yet everyone buys one. Even with cheaper players with more battery life and more features around for half the price. Sony's definitely taking the "Apple" route by touting it's system as more "advanced" and "hip" than the other systems.
Nintendo can certainly beat them at their own game though, particularly with their design.