great work, jin. you called down the thunder on the biggest hole in scoobs argument, imo -- that of his agility. based on what i saw in the movie, i would certainly say that, while quick and, um, er, well-articulated (??) he is no where near as 'agile' as some of the top-tier agility guys. i'm not a big fan of your strategy (piling things on him) but i have to admit it seems to be an effective method. he can hack a few of the things, maybe even dodge a couple, but he certainly WILL be hit by many, many things.
i'll be interested in seeing scoobs relpy. a problem with using a sw character is that there are not a lot of feats to draw on, while your more established characters have a much broader history. the same thing worked against lam in his fight with you.
i'll wait to hear scoob out, but at the moment, you are, er, burying him . . . 😮
Originally posted by leonidas
great work, jin. you called down the thunder on the biggest hole in scoobs argument, imo -- that of his agility. based on what i saw in the movie............a problem with using a sw character is that there are not a lot of feats to draw on
again... i'm using the undamaged version of Grievous from the Clone Wars animated series... he showed much greater speed and agility than he did in the movie, which is set after he had been damaged
he appeared in quite a few episodes of Clone Wars, all of which showed him using speed and agility that would equal Spider-Man... and he can take more punishment too
Originally posted by jinzin
I would once again like to address the fact that scarlet cyborg is using grevious' body.... grevious lacked both the speed and the agility to dodge gunfire... instead he opted to run away... scoobs tried to point out that doing so would be suicide without a force or spider sense...
which it would be
running away is the smart option when faced with a barrage of lasers, Spider-Man, when he gets his spider sense knocked out by Goblin Gas, gets hit by EVERYONE... it isn't a question of speed if you don't know the attack is coming... and even when you do know... you can't dodge a laser after it's been fired... spider sense lets the user know when and where to move to avoid/block an attack
Originally posted by jinzin
for example: batman has dodged automatic gunfire from an entire swat team at close range, robin has dodged automatic gunfire from 20 assailants in an attempt to reach two face, storm shadow dodged gunfire from several platoons while carrying a man in an open field, snake eyes has dodged gunfire from an entire front line of cobra soldiers, firefly has dodged automatic gunfire from a firing line at close range, the ninja turtles dodged gunfire from 100 different swat members WHILE simultaniously fighting foot soldiers.
most of that sounds completely ludicrous and utterly beside the point... with no reason to stay there and see if he's lucky enough to avoid a fatal laser blast, why would a smart tactician hang around? the point here is that Scarlet Spider + Spider-Man have done way more than that, and more frequently... now that Grievous's abilities include their abilities, there's no reason that he couldn't avoid anything you throw at him
Originally posted by jinzin
Now back to the agility debate... we see grevious jump high.. yet jumping high is not a logical reason to believe that someone has agility. The Leaper jumps high, but he does not outclass a man like daredevil in terms of agility because he is not nimble... By that same notion, while grevious had a great running speed, running fast is also not an aspect of agility.. otherwise one could claim that quicksilver has the agility of spiderman.. Grevious was also able to climb, run up and down walls, because his claws could graple into the surface of what he was walking/running on much the same way wolverine has used his claws to pierce into a wall and climb up along it's side.. is wolverine then as agile as spiderman? I should think not... I've already disputed the switch from hands to feet, brazillian martial artists use the same type of tactic.. that however, does not make them agile like spiderman.
if it were a case of any single one of those abilities you may have a point... but when he has them all? with running, jumping, climbing, hand/foot switching, fighting, martial arts training and near perfect balance..... what exactly is he lacking in the agility department?
Originally posted by jinzin
The simple fact of the matter is that grevious is super human in many aspects, he is fully capible of doing things that humans simple can not
i know 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
Scoobs is also trying to argue for his impact webbing when in truth.. Scarlet spider had to hit venom with multiple impact pallets, unloading "a whole bunch" of them on venom at once to even make an effect.. Hitting venom with just one or two had previously resulted in venom tearing right through the webbing as if it wasn't even there... So scarlet had to pour his impact webbing on venom.... Even so venom broke free completely...
AFTER a good few moments... enough for Scarlet to sit around and wonder about what to do next..... now that i have the experience of that fight i can wait until an opportunity comes up where i'm at such a range where you are an unmissable target
the minute or so that it takes you to break free is far more time than i'll need to finish you
Originally posted by jinzin
Scoobless has "stingers", which are supposed to cause paralysis in their victims
and they do... but i'm not really playing them up in this fight too much because of the healing factors.... though if your symbiote leaves you uncovered for a moment they will still slow you down for a few seconds at a time
Originally posted by jinzin
do you seriously expect me to believe that my katana can't cut right through your armor
yes, it's alien tech that was only ever pierced by an extremely strong, needle point weapon.... because anything with a greater surface area can't get through
don't worry though.... your sword will be wrecked by my lightsabres before you ever get the chance to test that
Originally posted by jinzin
As for your argument that my claws can't cut through it, or will be slowed down in the least.
claws are like bullets, the surface area is too large.... this isn't a one-piece armour, it's futuristic alien fibre weave that's stopped everything larger than a needle... Stargate tech includes metal that is near adamantium... it's not a question of the strength of the material being used, it's the surface area... so while the extreme tips of your claws may get through, it'll only be enough to scratch the surface of the outermost part of my cyborg body
🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
completely bypass any resembalence of patterns. This is why Taskmaster was later beaten
and a spider sense takes away the aspect of patterns.... as it reacts to everything you're doing i don't need to move in patterns... or even watch yours.... i'll simply know which direction the attacks will be coming from... and with four sabers i can easily block and attack at the same time
Originally posted by jinzin
I can use my senses of night vision, hearing, and smell, to pinpoint your location without have to get near you
or you could just look for the glowing lightsaber... i'm not hiding... 😛 ... but watch out for all those fires i lit.... they could get you in trouble
Originally posted by jinzin
I can simply see you, with and without the symbiote in pitch black
it's dusk, not pitch black... and all the lights from the rides are on.... plus I lit a whole bunch of fires 🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
I as a viewer can register the laser blasts, but I can't register bullets
lol.... that's just for TV ... you think kids would think lasers were cool if they couldn't see the blasts travelling? 😂
Originally posted by jinzin
As I said before.. Taskmaster has displayed the ability to catch bullets
a single bullet on a single occasion... and only when he had full view of the gun and hand that were firing at him... he could see her clench fingers to fire... he knew that shot was coming well in advance of it being fired... lasers travel much, much, much faster than bullets
and if he was really faster than bullets he'd have either moved out of the way or raised his shield
Originally posted by jinzin
using a sheild as protection you won't be hitting anything with plasma blasts or lasers of the sort.
you can cover an entire 6'5 foot (or so) man with a shield that's about 1'5 feet in diameter?
Originally posted by jinzin
I can generate as many damned shields as I please using the symbiote to attach itself to the shields
see... now i just don't believe you on this 😛
Originally posted by jinzin
I As for my symbiote shields.. they don't "burn easily"
fire has, on many, many occasions, been shown to seriously damage the symbiote.... plasma is like that... but much hotter and coming at him much faster
Originally posted by jinzin
Sorry, I not only have an enhanced version of sabretooth's own healing factor
limited before the tourney started... so not quite
Originally posted by jinzin
Venom's healing factor has allowed him to take laser blasts and assaults that go right through him and heal them without him needing to even slow down while fighting
also limited before the tourney started... and you have no way of proving that one healing factor will improve the other... in fact t it's entirely possible that they'll work against each other... like a body rejecting alien organs
Originally posted by jinzin
lasers/plasma blasts going through human flesh do exactly what you said they do
😄
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine's entire skin/hide was eradicated from his muscles by a plasma explosion, his healing factor was not halted nor slowed down in the least,
total PIS. i've seen Wolverine struggle to heal from getting his stomach sliced open
Originally posted by jinzin
wolverine's ............ Considering that sabretooth had a superior healing factor before the government augmented it
completely irrelevant... there's a tourney cap on healing factors and you know it
😉
Originally posted by jinzin
I will be dodging or blocking basically anything you shoot my way.
you mean you'll be trying to dodge/block... i'm not in danger of running out of ammo and not limited to a single line of fire at a time
Originally posted by jinzin
I begin the "stick and yank approach" sending out 100 different tendrils, latching onto various objects and begins sailing them off into his direction... (Scoobless seems to think that despite my powers, augmentations, and abilities that due to his mulitple arms he's nearly guaranteed a hit with one of any of his 3 blasting weapons
actually he thinks using his super speed, agility and spider sense it wont be hard to get out of the way .... Jin seems to believe that i'm just going to be standing around waiting to get stuff thrown at me
🙄
Originally posted by jinzin
again.. it's night time, and by this points any lights in the area will already be down, so I'm not sure how Scarlet plans to locate me if I'm not in a state of threatening him
"Cybernetically Enhanced Eyes: Although Grievous has his natural Kaleesh eyes instead of photoreceptors, these are enhanced, allowing him to see in the dark (+2D to search in darkness), and including macrobinocular features."
http://rpggamer.org/print.php?page=d6/d6generalgrievous.html
"Sallow and reptilian, General Grievous's own eyes have been enhanced with cybernetic implants."
http://blogs.starwars.com/jeditee/40
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Originally posted by jinzin
as for setting the amusment park aflame... since when do star wars lazers and plasma blasts light things on fire?
they're heat based and i have the experience of Parker/Reilly ... i'm a semi-genius physicist... it wont be hard to light things on fire
Originally posted by jinzin
I'd also like to call attention to the fact that venom isn't any NEAR as suseptable to flames as he used to be
but he is still weakened by them... so it's all still useful
I really hope writing all that gave you cramp.... lol
none of it changes the fact that at distance i have you completely out-gunned and up-close my sabers slice through every part of you that isn't adamantium... which includes your symbiote
I negated your night-vision advantage with my own... so no help for you there
you simply can't physically touch me without being in range of ALL of my weapons.... my long range weapons will blow holes in you and my close up weapons will tear strips off of you
with your healing factors limited to tourney specs you can't recover from having muscles sliced off before the end of the match... a laser blast through the heart or plasma blasts to the stomach area finish this quickly from a distance
my spider sense will let me know your general direction long before we come into line of sight of each other and my night-vision/macrobinoculars will allow me to aim perfectly from a distance before you know where i am
by the time you know that i've spotted you, your intestines will have been vaporised and i'll still be firing
Great, great matchup and I've watched for many days to decide who I would vote for, jinzin and scoob have VERY potent characters with a taste of versatility, familiarity, AND popularity.
While I like scoob's immunity to the symbiosis, jinzin has the greater durability.
While I like jinzin's toughness and endurance, I like scoobless' attack advantages and his ability to simply stay out of the way.
I'm voting scoobless, for now.
<<again... i'm using the undamaged version of Grievous from the Clone Wars animated series... he showed much greater speed and agility than he did in the movie, which is set after he had been damaged
he appeared in quite a few episodes of Clone Wars, all of which showed him using speed and agility that would equal Spider-Man... and he can take more punishment too>>
hmm, i wonder if that in itself may be an issue scoob. we (or I at any rate) can SEE jin's feats and they can be coroborated with scans -- we've only your word regarding your amalgam's abilities based on a tv show i've never seen. (btw, 'pologies i didn't catch that earlier. i'm sure you were saying -- what a dumbass -- can't he read! i read quickly in fact, to try and catch up and hit the high points!) 😄
i'm also still unclear how you plan to avoid the 100 tendril-thing.
<<actually he thinks using his super speed, agility and spider sense it wont be hard to get out of the way .... Jin seems to believe that i'm just going to be standing around waiting to get stuff thrown at me>>
this doesn't seem to be an adequate answer to me. by casting the tendrils below ground and from so many directions, your amalgam's spidey sense will be neutralized -- or at least useless in that you won't know WHERE the danger is coming from because it will be coming from everywhere. even if you are 'ready to move anywhere', by the time things start flying your way, it will be too late. i need to know how you plan to avoid this trap before i decide upon whom to vote for in this.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm also still unclear how you plan to avoid the 100 tendril-thing.<<actually he thinks using his super speed, agility and spider sense it wont be hard to get out of the way .... Jin seems to believe that i'm just going to be standing around waiting to get stuff thrown at me>>
this doesn't seem to be an adequate answer to me. by casting the tendrils below ground and from so many directions, your amalgam's spidey sense will be neutralized -- or at least useless in that you won't know WHERE the danger is coming from because it will be coming from everywhere. even if you are 'ready to move anywhere', by the time things start flying your way, it will be too late. i need to know how you plan to avoid this trap before i decide upon whom to vote for in this.
ok... before he knows where i am he can't extend tendrils in my direction, and my spider sense will still let me know what direction he's in even before he extends any tendrils:
with this knowledge and using my night-vision + macrobinoculars (MBs) i'll spot him long before he spots me
the MBs will allow me to aim perfectly over long range in darkness (as lasers travel along perfect line of sight)... using this tactic for my first move, i'll be able to hit him with a full power blast before he knows where to look... i'll also be firing plasma blasts a split second before the laser (as it doesn't travel quite as fast as light) so they arrive at almost exactly the same time causing maximum damage.... one shot to the face and multiple shots to the stomach region
all this plus grievous's foot speed is much greater than Spider-Man's.... so if something were to be hurled i'd easily be able to out-distance/sidestep it
Lemme get my vote in before I have to go. I hope you both know you made it a pain in the balls trying to pick who I thought would win. Seriously, to me you both seem very even. Still, all told... I'm voting for Scoob. Working Spidey sense plus large number of weapons (and the ability to use several simultaneously) is what finally convinced me, and even then only by a tiny margin when weighed against the healing factor(s). He's basically an insanely agile tank (rassum frassum Kull armor), and that's what gives him my vote.
