Tourney: Longpig Vs. Khellendros

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Electricity travels at the rate of 186,300 miles per second (the speed of light).

http://www.carolinacountry.com/StoryPages/howtos/electricquiz/quiz.html#one

Either spiderman is faster than light, or it's PIS.

Originally posted by long pig
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http://www.carolinacountry.com/StoryPages/howtos/electricquiz/quiz.html#one

Either spiderman is faster than light, or it's PIS.

or he has pre-cog that allows him to move before the lightning strikes... same way he always dodges bullets and lasers which also travel faster than he does

Hard to believe, but I can buy that more than Khell saying it's reflex alone.

But, it's a good think Grailnighter has neither FTL pre-cog or PIS writers.

One hit and he's dead. He can't compete with all my advantages of speed/adamantium & higher durability and energy resistance. His only bet is try and dodge, and with my speed what it is, he hasn't a chance.

It's laughable to try to say you can seriously hurt an energy resistant being with three layers of protection....with low level energy attacks??? What are you thinking Khell?

His reflection technique is a bit absurd. He's trying to say he's going to be able to acknowledge the difference between lasers and electric attacks, and only grab the laser attacks and throw them back. That's flash level speed, which he doesn't have.

Grailnighter will be in the middle of a flurry of different attacks, some of them will be electric, some lazer and some coils. One coil ends the game.

Originally posted by long pig
There are no reasons for them not to be. They are cybernetic implants, the name alone almost always describes Electronics and conductive metals.

Originally posted by long pig
The link has both characters. Pick one. Or else I'm going to use Electro from an elseworld comic and Lady Ock from Spidergirl. Both are elseworlds and both have more power & experience.

Real Name: Clarice Ferguson
Universe/Timeline: Age of Apocalypse / Exiles Universe
Current Status: Exiles
Aliases: none
Nationality: American
First Appearance: X-Men Alpha

Powers and Abilities:
manifests spacial-shearing ability as teleportation portals or energy shafts focused on her javelins that displace objects upon contact, either teleporting them away disrupting them on a molecular level

Affiliations:
X-Men, Exiles

Notes:
Blink is a founding member of the Exiles. She was replaced for a time on the roster by Magik, but later returned as a replacement for Sunfire.

All Age of Apocalypse appearances in chronological order :
Tales of the Age of Apocalypse #1
Blink #1-4
X-Men Alpha
Astonishing X-Men (1st series) #1-4
Amazing X-Men #4
X-Men Omega
Blink #4
Exiles #60-61

Check also the entry on her counterpart of the main Marvel Universe - Blink

Originally posted by long pig
No, no it isn't. It's lower Gambit level. Show once where Grail has done anything on Cyclops level.

First, let's see how durable the symbiotes are in the comics.
http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mountain13jj.jpg
http://img393.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mountain25dd.jpg
Blast that destroys half a mountain, and they walk out. Not bad.

Now, here we have Grail facing two former teammates(Flattop and Crossbones), resurrected and covered in stone armor. He blasts them to pieces.
http://img163.imageshack.us/my.php?image=symbioteblast7hf.jpg

Casually brings down an armored aircraft.
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chiblast39os.jpg

See up top in this one? A blast from his chest takes out a stone worm that was ignoring gatling gun fire, armor piercing rounds, even grenade launchers. Far above Gambit level.
http://img317.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsstoneworms23za.jpg

Destroying two beings of solidified radiation named Search and Destroy. Doesn't even glance at the second one:
http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abilities46lz.jpg

I've got more scans if you're not convinced.

Originally posted by long pig
It's a pretty simple fight, I'm faster and can handle his blasts easily. I need one hit to end him. He already recognized the fact I need one hit, he just says "You won't get it"....sure.

Originally posted by long pig
I can switch up lasers and electricity or both at the same time, they'll get through and distract him long enough for my superior speed to get close.

Originally posted by long pig
Hah..
I'm powered up to my full extent during prep, and the whole area around me will be charged with Electricity. Midnighter won't decipher what is me or what is the area around me.

Midnighter isn't fast enough to dodge electricity, no one on your list is, face it. You can't make up anything that can prove anyone dodging electricity. Don't pretend to be dumb.

Midnighter dodges energy blasts at POINT BLANK. Blink matches King Hyperion in combat speed and shatters his spine with his own eyeblasts. GRAIL, for f*cks sake, reacts in time to protect his entire team from multiple lasers. I am waaaay fast enough.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Character Notes: Speedfreek cannot use his fly or augment his speed with flight. Small boosters in his feet can give him a brief forward burst, but nothing else.

Shocktopus only has enhanced forward movement?

I think Freek also gives him good reaction times, but the majority of his mobility (at high speeds) was from the rocket booster things, which were cut out for this tourney.

I think what scoob is trying to say khell is the 'thermal visor' effect (so called after metroid primes thermal visor) . You would activate it and it would show you everything in the heat spectrum but upon entering a warm/ lava filled room you couldn't see over the glare.

Shocktopus only has enhanced forward movement?

They also increase my forward strength and momentum/towing strength.

but the majority of his mobility (at high speeds) was from the rocket booster things, which were cut out for this tourney.

I still have the boot thrusters.

You won't even land one hit between my dodging and teleportation.

Yeah, not gonna happen.

We both know you can't dodge forever, and you won't. It'll take maybe two attempts at hitting you, and it's over. No coming back from it.

Your character has such a limited output offense power it's ridiculous. You can't dodge, block and attack ALL at the same time without messing up and getting tagged. It's impossible.

One hit, ol' chum, and it's over. The chances of you messing up is very likely, and when you do, you're dead.

Midnighter dodges energy blasts at POINT BLANK. Blink matches King Hyperion in combat speed and shatters his spine with his own eyeblasts. GRAIL, for f*cks sake, reacts in time to protect his entire team from multiple lasers. I am waaaay fast enough.

I'm your superior in reactions & durability & weaponry and around equal in strength.

Electro=10ton Speedfreek=unknown superhuman(Strong enough to lift hulk and tow him & cut him in half) + tenticals, which have been shown to be as strong as both Spiderman & Ben parker at the same time. And over powered Spiderman many times.

I have the range advantage and the h2h advantage. You can be battered by super strong arms, jabbed by adamantium blades, electrocuted, blasted....on and on.

Also, you can't get behind me without notice, the tenticals have scanners and vision for themselves, they will detect you wherever you are.

One, you can't charge everything with electricity, it's not all metal. Two, none of that will do anything but waste energy. I'll still sense what you're doing.

One hit, you die.

Originally posted by long pig
tenticals, which have been shown to be as strong as both Spiderman & Ben parker at the same time. And over powered Spiderman many times.

well Ben Parker is just an old man with no super powers..... i'd be disappointed if they weren't stronger than him

😛

You'd be surprised, he's wily like the coyote.

Whatever his name was, Ben Rielly & Spiderman fought her at the same time and it ended in a stalemate, with Spiderman nearly dying in the fight and thinking about quitting his hero gig. She showed her tenticals being physically equal in strength to two 10 tonners.

Originally posted by grey fox
I think what scoob is trying to say khell is the 'thermal visor' effect (so called after metroid primes thermal visor) . You would activate it and it would show you everything in the heat spectrum but upon entering a warm/ lava filled room you couldn't see over the glare.

Originally posted by long pig
So, this is your only option? Try and dodge me the whole time without getting any true hits in on me?

Originally posted by long pig
Your character has such a limited output offense power it's ridiculous.

Originally posted by long pig
Dodging lasers point blank is either PIS or beyond tourney limits. Pick one. None of your characters have anything close to FTL reactions.

Originally posted by long pig
I'm your superior in reactions & durability & weaponry and around equal in strength.

Reactions: I block multiple lasers, dodge energy blasts and take on superspeed opponents. You... have a drug junkie who runs forward really fast and a walking battery who Spiderman routinely owns. Even when your guy was taking on Nate Grey, Spidey owned him with a rock. A ROCK.

Durability: Midnighter can take a kick that sends him flying hundreds of feet and recover enough to land on his feet and catch his staff. The symbiote covers my entire body, is skintight with no gaps, and is at the tourney limit for strength. My shields are also at the tourney limit, and I've shown proof. You have Electro's body, titanium armor that leaves your head uncovered, and one shield that you've shown nothing impressive for except one Spiderfist bouncing off of it.

Strrength: I am class 60 easy. At BEST, you are class 12. And that's if the voters buy into Electro being class 10 when he's never shown that kind of strength. The strongest part of you are your mechanical arms, and those are easily dodged by me.

Originally posted by long pig
Also, you can't get behind me without notice, the tenticals have scanners and vision for themselves, they will detect you wherever you are.

Originally posted by long pig
The air charges when Shocktopus is around. It does so without him making it, it's strong enough to kill a human just by being around him. You won't stand a solitary chance at deciphering between the electrically charged field and myself.

Hey long pig. You demanded proof of Midnighter being able to see electrical ativity, well, gimme proof that Doc Ock's shield isn't a piece of sh*t. All you've EVER shown is that one panel of a fist bouncing off it. Time for you to prove your shield can even match up to this toruney's lowered standards.

No, I get it. But he was one a team with Jenny Sparks, who once turned into a being of electricity as tall as a skyscraper and was putting out enough power to short out a fleet of alien warships while her team watched. Not once did Midnighter ever mention having a problem with his sensors.

You aren't making any sense, man. And...you're somehow going to dodge two different lightspeed attacks THEN pick out only one of those lightspeed attacks, all while dodging tentacles coming at you 90ft per second and rocket propelled mentally controlled adamantium coils?
Absurd.

Class 60 strength and energy output on Cyclops level compared to... what? Lasers that I easily deflect? Lightning bolts that won't pass through my shields? Mechanical arms that I can easily dodge? Oh yeah, I'M outmatched.

One hit, and you're gone. Up close and one swipe and you're gone.

Strrength: I am class 60 easy. At BEST, you are class 12. And that's if the voters buy into Electro being class 10 when he's never shown that kind of strength. The strongest part of you are your mechanical arms, and those are easily dodged by me.

Supercharging his body with electricity produces a galvanic response in Electro's muscles, making him superhumanly strong. 10 tons strength. He's matched spiderman in strength on more than a few occasions.

Ok. You up to speed, now?

Now, we are putting the 10 Electro inside a cybernetic robotic suit which boosts a normal human attributes to unknown superhuman levels, strong enough to lift Hulk(Fast enough to flight faster than thought. Reaction/fight speed enough to flight faster than thought in a medium size room while fighting Hulk and random guards.) and throw Hulk and cut hulk in half.

That would then put Shocktopus 12-15 tons. Now, the tentacles are strong enough to overpower Spiderman easily, and has shown to be as strong as two spidermen. That would now place Shocktopus in the 20-30 ton area. More than enough strength to cut through anything that you have with my 5 foot long adamantium blades.

Knowing where I am won't matter much when I'm blasting away the anchor point and power source for your arms.

All you've EVER shown is that one panel of a fist bouncing off it. Time for you to prove your shield can even match up to this toruney's lowered standards.

So, again.
You want to pretend you can dodge FTL, you can't.
You want to pretend you can react FTL, you can't.
You want to pretend your blasts are Cyclops level when by all accounts they are moderate Gambit level.
You want to pretend you can multi-task on the level of Flash, without getting hit. You can't.

You're only argument thus far is dodging FTL and....that's all.

In my case, I have many blasters and physical attacks. I only need one hit to win. Just one.

I can overwhelm you with attacks and in the end, I only need ONE attack to slip through and you're dead. Nothing you can do, no shields are strong enough to protect it, you aren't fast enough to dodge it, it's over.

I win. Shocktopus 8/10

Voting Khell...

Teleporting=Mobility. Blink and MNer are also crazy quick and agile. Combined with the fact that he can put up portals to send stuff right back to Shocktopus, I don't see nearly as many attacks hitting him as LP says will. Those that aren't teleported away or dodged are going to be hitting a strong forcefield for some time. Shocktopus's forcefield is questionable in strength, and while titanium armor is strong, Grail's blasts are pretty impressive. He also has the cheap omnidirectional thing going, so they're kinda hard to dodge. It'd be close, I just see Grailnighter walking away more than not.

Originally posted by long pig
She only had four appearances, her shield was described as impenetrable. And it has remained so. No need for scans.

EDIT:
And only four appearances?? Bull. This is from YOUR OWN LINK (a list of her appearances):

Character History
Sep 1995 App: Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #405 (Rev, Rev)
Teaser cameo of tentacles.
Oct 1995 App: Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #406 (Rev)
First full appearance
Oct 1995 App: Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #63 (Rev)
Oct 1995 App: Spectacular Spider-Man #229 (Rev)
Nov 1995 App: Scarlet Spider Titles #WSS1 (Rev)
Virtual Morality
Nov 1995 App: Scarlet Spider Titles #ASS1 (Rev)
Nov 1995 App: Scarlet Spider Titles #SS1 (Rev)
Nov 1995 App: Scarlet Spider Titles #SSS1 (Rev)
Dec 1995 App: Scarlet Spider Titles #WSS2 (Rev)
Cyberwar
Dec 1995 App: Scarlet Spider Titles #ASS2 (Rev)
Dec 1995 App: Scarlet Spider Titles #SS2 (Rev)
Dec 1995 App: Scarlet Spider Titles #SSS2 (Rev)
Mar 1996 App: Spectacular Spider-Man #232 (Rev)
Jul 1997 App: Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #425 (Rev)
Aug 1997 App: Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #426 (Rev)
Sep 1997 App: Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #427 (Rev)
Oct 1997 App: Amazing Spider-Man (Vol. 1) #428 (Rev)
Nov 1997 App: Spider-Man Unlimited #18 (Rev)

I think he meant the shield's only been utilized 4 times. And as I remember, it was initially let through BECAUSE the shield isn't all powerful...

Originally posted by Dizzle
I think he meant the shield's only been utilized 4 times. And as I remember, it was initially let through BECAUSE the shield isn't all powerful...

No, the shield hasn't been used much in her appearances. She spent most of her appearances doing prep work on her virtual reality bomb and the like.
It only appeared when she claimed it and announced it as "indestructable" and while she fought Spiderman, which he couldn't break and then against Spiderman & Ben, in which they couldn't break it there either.

In all her appearances, it didn't faulter that I know of. And in most her bios, it's noted that the shield is very tough and/or impenetrable.

In the few times she's used it, it did as it's said to do. Going by the only proof available, it's near impenetrable.

Nothing really there up for debate.

Plus we have Electro's shielding and such.

The fact remains that I have more than enough protection & speed to dodge and handle evvvverrrryyythhhiinggg Khell has. He, on the other hand, has no defense against my attack.

I only need one hit and the game is over, the hit will happen while he is being overwhelmed by other attacks.

Originally posted by long pig
No, the shield hasn't been used much in her appearances. She spent most of her appearances doing prep work on her virtual reality bomb and the like.
It only appeared when she claimed it and announced it as "indestructable" and while she fought Spiderman, which he couldn't break and then against Spiderman & Ben, in which they couldn't break it there either.

In all her appearances, it didn't faulter that I know of. And in most her bios, it's noted that the shield is very tough and/or impenetrable.

In the few times she's used it, it did as it's said to do. Going by the only proof available, it's near impenetrable.

Nothing really there up for debate.

Plus we have Electro's shielding and such.

Oh, and I'm also interested in what issue Electro used his supposed shield. I believe Scoobless was kinda doubtful about it's existance at one point, so now I am too. I'm not asking about the stupid web pages, I'm asking for comic appearances here, son.

See, I have provided scan after scan proving my characters are as badass as I say they are and they can do waht I say they can. You... make a lot of claims, put up a lot of little links, but seem to have no comic appearances to bakc yourself up, ESPECIALLY on these shields.