Originally posted by Khellendros
Riiight. Nevermind. You just vote for whomever you like. If the choice is between winning with idiots like you voting for me, or going down but with a nice ration of the more intelligent posters around here having voted for me... losing won't be so bad.
whatever you say blue dragon boy..... 🙄 ..dont feel like getting banned this week.....or else you would be running to your mummy right now
Originally posted by long pig
What's left to debate?
It's come down to "Can Shocktopus get in one hit?"Khell:"NO! Why? Because I said!"
long pig: " 🤨 Of course I can get a hit in -shows how-."Voters: "I vote he can get that hit in."
Khell:"**** you voter! You go to hell and you die!"
You need one hit on his body to kill him. (Debatable, actually. Some symbiotes DID take a mountain blowing up around them. The barbs would do it in one shot, but he might take a smack or three from the tentacles and other smaller hits, even when shieldless)
When he has a tourney limit-pushing forcefield, which he has demonstrated extremely good control of, combined with amazing reactions, dodging ability, and teleportation. (meaning it won't be taking very steady amounts of damage) That's what I meant by "he won't be taking many hits".
You saying you could one hit KO him is like him saying he could one hit kill you... Which he could... If your armor and forcefields were all gone. But they're not, just as his are not.
Basically, here is the short and the long of it: With Shocktopus' boot thrusters, he can advance faster than anyone in the tourney, 165mph (?? Tourney limit?? He's faster than that, but he's being restricted. per tourney rules) in a half second.
GODLIKE is much much faster. As was Shaiclops. Both are more than double your speed. Fastest in the tourney my arse. 🙂
You saying you could one hit KO him is like him saying he could one hit kill you... Which he could... If your armor and forcefields were all gone. But they're not, just as his are not.
No. Not at all, actually. My point missed the mark completely, then.
He has nothing in his arsenal(Of energy or otherwise) that can penetrate my shields and the Hulk proof armor and into energy resistant flesh..... in one hit and do serious damage....ZERO.
As for Shocktopus:
His Adamantium super sharp coils, when backed by the velocity and power of the rockets(they are propelled by rockets, and strong enough to go straight through Hulk), can cut through his shields and anything he has like butter, lodging themselves like hooks inside his body. THEN, I unload all the electricity in my body into his. He dies.....no coming back from it*.
The chances are very high that I will get this attack, seeing I have other weapons to overwhelm him, and with the Ock Arm's A.I, I won't be multi tasking no where nearly as much as Khell's says he can (Did you know Grailnighter can multi task FTL? :rolleyes), which gives me the advantage of accuracy for my De La Ultimo attack.
Maybe I explained it less than coherent the first time. 😮
*Note:
Now, let's say he prays hard enough and somehow TOAA grants him permission to survive that attack by magic.....even TOAA won't be silly enough to let him make it through and still be conscious. I can then REEL him in with crazy speed and chop him straight in half.
Couple things, just to clarify (as always, I don't want to take sides, even though what I have to say may be for or against one person).
The displacement effect from Blink's projectiles, if they were to hit LP, would do damage. How much, who knows...but eventually it would get through. I doubt that changes LP's strategy (or Khell's for that matter), but I wanted to mention it. And secondly, Speedfreek's armor, while thick, is titanium-strength (except for the blades which are adamantium). The "Hulk-proof" label that keeps getting added to it might be a a bit misleading.
Here's that post I promised, full of scan-ly goodness. Apologies in advance to the 56K voters out there.
SPEED: LP says he can basically speedblitz me. Here's the reaction time of a couple of my characters (some will be reposts).
Midnighter-
The aforementiond dodging energy blast from point blank range from an expert enhanced marskman. Casually, I might add.http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speed32cx.jpg
Takes on a Werewolf who took down Hawksmoor. Gets in multiple hits so fast, the wounds don't even start bleeding till moments later.
http://img70.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vswerewolf16dk.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vswerewolf20bz.jpg
http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vswerewolf31bi.jpg
He talks about striking at me with arms and barbs and blah blah blah. Well, none of those move faster than multiple energy blasts and automatic gunfire.
http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsxmen13ct.jpg
Taking out the new Doctor from across the room before he can finish a sentence.
http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skill17xr.jpg
Blink-
Dances effortlessly through gunfire, the guy only gets a few shots in before she grabs her javelins and releases them.
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=combat0yo.jpg
Clears a room of several guys before any of them can react (notice the wine glass in the middle left behind the chair. It's still spilling by the time she's finished kicking ass).
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=skills42rh.jpg
Once again dancing through gunfire in a split second, in time to catch a portal that was snapping shut.
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=speed7xq.jpg
POWER: LP doubts I have Cyclops level power.
Again, taking out two solid energy being who were immune to any physical attacks (gunfire, explosives, giant claws, etc).
http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abilities46lz.jpg
Taking on another energy being like himself. MC-2 is master of basically ALL electromagnetic energy.
http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abilities54mo.jpg
http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abilities69nc.jpg
The two are throwing around so much energy, not only is the basement lab destroyed around them, it destroys the several story mansion above street level. In the aftermath, Grail is the only one left alive.
http://img351.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abilities72ac.jpg
http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=abilities85fe.jpg
Also, I've said that his energy burns the flesh (and all organic matter) on contact. Here's some proof of that.
Disintegrating some werewolves.
http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chiblast8al.jpg
Burns the flesh right off the skeleton off a vampire that got too close.
http://img203.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chiblast18oe.jpg
Enemy disintegrating on contact with a shield.
http://img203.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chiburning9nw.jpg
I am faster than him. My shields are stronger that his (he has NO showings to back up his shield's supposed strength). I teleport. I am far FAR more mobile. I have wide arc, Cyclops level energy blast. My shield's won't conduct electricity and I've already shown them reflecting lasers with no problem. None of his barbs or mechanical arms will even get close, even WITHOUT my teleportation.
He has no proof of one shield's strength. He can't even prove Electro has a shield. His armor leaves his head exposed, so my chi will burn the flesh from his skull. He keeps making claims and can't back them up. time and again, I back up everything I say, on demand even. He is so outmatched, it's sad. He's got a loser drug junkie, an idiot who Spiderman punks ALL the time and a chick with a shield that's almost never been used in comics. I win in every area, except blasting myself forward like a big tentacled rocket, easily dodged or teleported around.
Originally posted by grey fox
Hey , i was just waiting to see who gave the better argument , and as cool as long pig's sounded . It didn't really sound realistic, i mean if the rocket boosters must allow barely any movement (at least for a while) so whats to stop grailnighter from just hopping out the way.
Originally posted by Scoobless
i know Doc Ock (the real one) has recently added A.I. to his tentacles.... but i don't remember the female Ock having it..... could be wrong though (i'll check later)
