Tourney: Longpig Vs. Khellendros

Started by leonidas9 pages
Originally posted by Dizzle
See, the point is he sees all the electricity around Shocktopus, not specifically in his brain. When the energy starts building, he'll know that Shock is about to blast him. The brain example was to show that he can see electricity in general. He's using seeing electricity as a way for him to dodge blasts more easily.

this labors under an assumption though that there IS some sort of 'build up' before he blasts. i'm not sure that is the case. if it's been shown to be true, my apologies. if it has not, then the claim is purely speculation, no? the charged field may BE the build up, and there may be no more warning beyond that.

anyway, there were a number of unknowns in this fight - shock's shield, the total offensive khell could generate . . .

it just seemed to me that lp's unknown's were a little . . . less unknown. least imo.

hey diz, were you in this tourny?

Yeah, Dizzle was in the tourney. Lost in round 1 to Adam Warlock (formerly Sentry). Good match though, and he actually put up a good fight in the bonus round to get back in the tourney before conceding the match to Laminator (who will face the losers of these current matches for spots 3-5).

Good to see some discussion/momentum back in the matches. Match will be open until Tuesday (I decided not to extend it past a week).

i'll vote for Khell... he's backed up everything he's claimed with scans while LP's shields and strength are still very much in question

Voting for LP. Leonidas posted practically everything I was gonna say. 😄

Why is there such a question over the Ock shields? Sheesh, everyone is acting as though they have been broken before.

As for Electro, he has the means, ability, skill & a reason to make the shields, there no real reason to say he can't.

What am I missing?

Hmmm , actual pic's mabye ^__^

Vote Count? There's about a day left, but it would give us an idea of where we're at right now...

Originally posted by long pig
Why is there such a question over the Ock shields? Sheesh, everyone is acting as though they have been broken before.

the fact that i've read some of the comics where female Ock used her shields... and they didn't stand up to her being thrown into a car or a wall

Originally posted by long pig
As for Electro, he has the means, ability, skill & a reason to make the shields, there no real reason to say he can't.

but he never has... so you can't know for sure that he ever could

Originally posted by long pig
What am I missing?

I wouldn't worry about it... you seem pretty far ahead in the votes as it is

Originally posted by Scoobless
i'll vote for Khell... he's backed up everything he's claimed with scans while LP's shields and strength are still very much in question

Agreed. A lil too much speculation involved for my liking. Khellendros.

so sorry khell, bit i vote long pig

but he never has... so you can't know for sure that he ever could

Yes, yes he has.

Hell, every time he flies on an electrical bridge he makes a repellent force field, which repels him off of the ground.

the fact that i've read some of the comics where female Ock used her shields... and they didn't stand up to her being thrown into a car or a wall

When?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Vote Count? There's about a day left, but it would give us an idea of where we're at right now...

5-10 Shocktopus.

Originally posted by leonidas
to me it boils down to the question of whether shock's shields will hold up. given what i've seen of it, i believe it would -- at least for a while.

I'm sorry, but WHAT exactly have you seen of his shields?? Did LP post some scans I missed? He makes a TON of claims and leaps in logic, but has no proof, and yet people take his word for it.

Originally posted by leonidas
then, to, even allowing he can read his mind, AND allowing he can dodge or port away from a couple attacks, multiple attacks from all over plus freek's speed and multiple attacking arms just seems to me to say shock would be on the offensive all the time and khell would be trying to slip in attacks that wouldn't be powerful enough QUICKLY enough.

What you neglect to realize is that Grailnighter can release his energy from any point on his body. He can be facing away from Shock, and still blow him away. Note the scan where he does the exact same thing to another opponent. And, Grail is almost overflowing with energy, he doesn't so much push the energy out, as he does let it flow out.

Originally posted by leonidas
i think it would likely be a fairly long (no pun intended!! 😄) battle, with nighter 'porting and dodging and striking but not getting through in time before shock scores the shot he needs to end it. i know khell has good shields, but the thought of something like wolvie's claws on the end of doc ock's tentacles is insane.

They may get through my shields, but they still have to cross at least a foot of open space before contacting my armor. That is more than enough time to teleport clear for my guy.

Originally posted by leonidas
sorry khell. great effort and great amalgam, but unless you can explain away some of my reservations REALLY well, my vote is for piggy . . .

I've done my best. Any more questions, feel free to ask.

Originally posted by leonidas
but how can he see the electrical impulses in his brain through an area of electrically charged particles? electricity is electricity be it in the form of a brain impulse or any other form. i just don't know how he would be able to tell the difference.

That's like asking how can I see a candle flame at the end of a well-lit room. Just because there's other light doesn't mean I can't identify that singular source of light even from a distance.

leonidas: how could there not be a noticeable buildup in electrical energy? He's unleashing LIGHTNING.

i vote for LP.

favor for a favor, juss playin 😛.

shocktopus = too much to handle

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I'm not trying to enter the debate, but meerly giving a reason for my vote. Since you begged the question though, I'll ask it. How do you intend to have continued opportunities for your big attack without leaving opennings for Grailnighter to riposte?

Long, Shocktopus is awesome, but for me the above is still the key question. Unless you can address that clearly tomorrow, my vote goes to Grailnighter.

Voting Khell for same reasons as those outlined by Scoob and Dizzle.

Originally posted by long pig
Yes, yes he has.

Hell, every time he flies on an electrical bridge he makes a repellent force field, which repels him off of the ground.

When?

well when he was flying around with a "repellent field" Spidey cracked him in the head with a rock... so i doubt it would stop any energy blasts

on the Ock question, she was using her force field against Scarlet Spider... it stopped him from punching her... then he smacked her into a car and threw her against a wall and the force field didn't save her from either impact... it's the same issue i was referring to in the character selection threads... i named the issue then (can't remember at present.... i'll look it up tomorrow)

Originally posted by Khellendros
leonidas: how could there not be a noticeable buildup in electrical energy? He's unleashing LIGHTNING.

Very true also most meta-humans/mutants usually have a 'power up' phase when using some sort of electrical attack as they try to create as much power in one point of their bodies before releasing it.

Originally posted by Scoobless
well when he was flying around with a "repellent field" Spidey cracked him in the head with a rock... so i doubt it would stop any energy blasts

He merely didn't cover his body with it. He uses it to stand on sometimes. CIS is all. Electro has the MEANS to make it, the SKILL to make it, the REASON to make it.

If I have a knife, and the skill to use the knife, and a reason to use the knife, do I REALLY need to have stabbed someone before, to make a case that I can stab someone now? No.

on the Ock question, she was using her force field against Scarlet Spider... it stopped him from punching her... then he smacked her into a car and threw her against a wall and the force field didn't save her from either impact... it's the same issue i was referring to in the character selection threads... i named the issue then (can't remember at present.... i'll look it up tomorrow)

Was the shield up? Did she hit herself against her own shield?

-sigh-
You've been stalling this point for a month now. You are the only reason the shield has been called into question.