Originally posted by Eis
I never claimed they weren't 'nuts' even though of course they aren't. It's a chosen lifestyle... It hardly makes them 'nuts' it makes them more like, naive or gullible.Mormons are just as 'nuts' as any other person attached to an organized religion.
Religion - Brain washing of the worst kind.
Originally posted by Eis
I never claimed they weren't 'nuts' even though of course they aren't. It's a chosen lifestyle... It hardly makes them 'nuts' it makes them more like, naive or gullible.Mormons are just as 'nuts' as any other person attached to an organized religion.
BRILLIANT! 😂
Thanks for posting your comments, thats what I would have said.
docb77, if your Faith and Church works for you, then im VERY happy for you and i would never want to change it,
But you have to REALIZE something that no other conservative Christian here realizes...your Faith only works for some people. It does not work for others (I for example have been Christian all my life until now, and i never found it helpful in anyway sorry)
Everyone is different, and there is NO ONE WAY OF LIFE that will work for everyone.
PLEASE...if you learn anything from our debates, PLEASE figure that out ...
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
docb77, if your Faith and Church works for you, then im VERY happy for you and i would never want to change it,But you have to REALIZE something that no other conservative Christian here realizes...your Faith only works for some people. It does not work for others (I for example have been Christian all my life until now, and i never found it helpful in anyway sorry)
Everyone is different, and there is NO ONE WAY OF LIFE that will work for everyone.
PLEASE...if you learn anything from our debates, PLEASE figure that out ...
I look at it this way - It depends not only on where you want to go, but how you want to get there. For some people the journey is more important, for some the destination. I am just hoping to enjoy both.
Originally posted by docb77
I look at it this way - It depends not only on where you want to go, but how you want to get there. For some people the journey is more important, for some the destination. I am just hoping to enjoy both.
You push your believes into everyone, if you don't want gays in your church, if you don't want mormon girls to get abortions then make it an official church law, but don't deprive the rest of the Americans of these rights. Specially when they do not give a shit what you think, it's like your punishing us for not believing in your religion. How? By not letting us get married, by not letting girls get abortions when the baby is unwanted, etc.
you dont' think you've never met a Mormon? 😉
And Eis, here is a question for you: is the United States of America about individual rights, or Utilitarian ideologies?
I personally think it's utilitarian; the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Upholding the will of the majority, while protecting (though not always pleasing) the minority. Can you imagine the government (thought it's not too hard at this point) scrambling to please every little minority group, and ignoring the needs of the vast majority. It's impossible without utter chaos.
Thats why I think I have the right to vote the way I believe, it may just be what most people want too, and it's therefor the nation's responsibility to do that thing. Then, it may not be, and then it wont' be done, no harm. I've taken advantage of my rights and you of your's.
It's called democracy.
1. The United States is not a democracy.
2. You have the right to be a responsible citzen, the majority is not often right. History usually corrects this for us, but many people have problems seeing the same concept in the surrent time.
3. Maybe you don't know what its like to be a minority, but let me tell you, I don't give a 😖 about what some persucatory majority thinks. You rptect the rights of minorites because they dont have the numbers to stand up for themselves. THAT is being American.
4. The current government does way to LITTLE to protect minorites. Wake up and look around. Bush hasn't even attented an NAACP meeting and the ALCU is branded as some sort fo fringe element. Its born-again conservative Christians and their inability to think about anyhting but their faith thats destroying America.
I fight for the constitution. I dont care what your religious ideas are. Your an American, you should fight for American ideals. The constitution is your god in this country, imo.
Originally posted by ~dorkerina~
you dont' think you've never met a Mormon? 😉And Eis, here is a question for you: is the United States of America about individual rights, or Utilitarian ideologies?
I personally think it's utilitarian; the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Upholding the will of the majority, while [B]protecting
(though not always pleasing) the minority. Can you imagine the government (thought it's not too hard at this point) scrambling to please every little minority group, and ignoring the needs of the vast majority. It's impossible without utter chaos.Thats why I think I have the right to vote the way I believe, it may just be what most people want too, and it's therefor the nation's responsibility to do that thing. Then, it may not be, and then it wont' be done, no harm. I've taken advantage of my rights and you of your's.
It's called democracy. [/B]
As Alliance said the US isn't a democracy, not a direct one anyway. If most americans wanted gay marriage to legal, that would be irrelevant. It's what senators and other politicians think on the issue that matter.
Gay marriage hurts no one, not one person, it's just religious people that try to force their believes into everyone. "Not religious? We don't give a shit, you'll follow our rules anyway" is not an attitude I believe you want to have.
And the government should be utilitarian, greatest good for the greatest number of people. They have the chance of giving millions of homosexuals the joy of getting married, but it's you people that are standing in the way. Banning gay marriage doesn't help you in any way possible same goes for allowing it.