i agree with Ush as well...it just makes plot sense for Anakin be the one who turns the tide, thus completing his Dark Side transformation. I don't doubt Palpatine was faking when he was on the ground pleading for his life...that much is obvious. But the duel itself he was straight up doing it for real.
For the love of God...
Palpatine was manipulating things throughout the Mace duel. He had to put himself in a position where, in front of Anakin, he appeared to be beaten and at the mercy of Mace. Palp's confidence in forseeing events was his knowledge that Anakin was on his way, he couldn't live with the thought of the Chancellor dying in a duel, taking knowledge with him to save Padme. He knew Mace wouldn't kill him while helpless - against the Jedi code - so he could force Anakin into a choice. When he finally pushes Anakin to save him by servering Mace's hand & lightsaber, it is this act for certain that pushes him to the Dark Side, after events like the Sandpeople slaughter, duel with A. Ventress, and executing Dooku were dangerous flirtations with the Dark Side. Anakin looks like a great weight is pulling him under after that, and he can't resist the Dark Side filling his being. Palpatine's plans for Anakin had finally bourne fruit; he had the weapon he wanted all along now. Mace never won the duel; he was another helpless pawn in Palp's scheme.
Originally posted by roughrider
For the love of God...Palpatine was manipulating things throughout the Mace duel. He had to put himself in a position where, in front of Anakin, he appeared to be beaten and at the mercy of Mace. Palp's confidence in forseeing events was his knowledge that Anakin was on his way, he couldn't live with the thought of the Chancellor dying in a duel, taking knowledge with him to save Padme. He knew Mace wouldn't kill him while helpless - against the Jedi code - so he could force Anakin into a choice. When he finally pushes Anakin to save him by servering Mace's hand & lightsaber, it is this act for certain that pushes him to the Dark Side, after events like the Sandpeople slaughter, duel with A. Ventress, and executing Dooku were dangerous flirtations with the Dark Side. Anakin looks like a great weight is pulling him under after that, and he can't resist the Dark Side filling his being. Palpatine's plans for Anakin had finally bourne fruit; he had the weapon he wanted all along now. Mace never won the duel; he was another helpless pawn in Palp's scheme.
Take out the reference to Ventress... then frame it and hang it above the welcoming mat. 😄
Originally posted by jollyjim311
You sound just like my cousin (mace=badass). www.starwars.com
I will use the argument I had prepared against him. He was dead before he even hit the ground, the lightning killed him.He also thinks that Mace got plastic surgery and was actually Lando.
That's a new one.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
WRONG.He says Palpatine was faking weakness AFTER the duel, during the Lightning part.
No-one ever disputed that. People were disputing whether Mace won the duel or not- which he clearly did. In fact, as GL says heonly put the 'Palpatine fake begging' part in afterwards as an afterthought, that clearly suggests he simply at first has Mace winning and Anakin stopping him.
So you can wipe those triumphant feelings away. I was actually waiting for the first person to come along and make a mistake by saying this.
Of course he was faking, have u ever seen a star wars character's acting so bad (and a lot of their acting skills are pretty bad e.g Hayden, Natalie, Samuel, Ewan, etc.)
Originally posted by roughrider
For the love of God...Palpatine was manipulating things throughout the Mace duel. He had to put himself in a position where, in front of Anakin, he appeared to be beaten and at the mercy of Mace. Palp's confidence in forseeing events was his knowledge that Anakin was on his way, he couldn't live with the thought of the Chancellor dying in a duel, taking knowledge with him to save Padme. He knew Mace wouldn't kill him while helpless - against the Jedi code - so he could force Anakin into a choice. When he finally pushes Anakin to save him by servering Mace's hand & lightsaber, it is this act for certain that pushes him to the Dark Side, after events like the Sandpeople slaughter, duel with A. Ventress, and executing Dooku were dangerous flirtations with the Dark Side. Anakin looks like a great weight is pulling him under after that, and he can't resist the Dark Side filling his being. Palpatine's plans for Anakin had finally bourne fruit; he had the weapon he wanted all along now. Mace never won the duel; he was another helpless pawn in Palp's scheme.
Exactly, if it was Palpatine in a winning position ready to kill Mace Anakin would have rescued Mace and see that Palpatine is evil.
Then Mace would end the duel quick with Anakin and Anakin wouldn't have time to think about Padmé during the duel.
It was part of palpatine's plan all along.
Re: Palpatine Vs. Mace - Lucas closes the debate for good!
Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
listening to the commentary by GL during the palpatine arrest scene he specifically says that Palpatine was faking and was not really beaten
I hate directors commentary. I've never listened to any of them. If a director has something to say, let him or her say it on the film. Where's the mystery? Every little thing does not have to be explained.
No, it's not the end of the story. I don't think any rational analysis of the fight can say that it was faked- to do so would have been a risk dumb beyond belief; Sidious could easily have been killed. You can't just 'fake' losing a sabre fight- what if Windu's follow up blow to his kick had been a decapitation? It's absurd.
But that's not what this thread is about- it is about whether GL has cleared it up or not, Which he has not.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, it's not the end of the story. I don't think any rational analysis of the fight can say that it was faked- to do so would have been a risk dumb beyond belief; Sidious could easily have been killed. You can't just 'fake' losing a sabre fight- what if Windu's follow up blow to his kick had been a decapitation? It's absurd.But that's not what this thread is about- it is about whether GL has cleared it up or not, Which he has not.
END. OF. STORY.
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