Sidious' first priority was to make the situation seem like the arrogant jedi master Mace was intimidating poor defenceless Palpatine who was praying for mercy. When Anakin noticed that mace was ready to bypass the jedi code to do what he felt was right, what else should Anakin have done? He felt it was right to keep Palpatine alive.
If Mace had just captured Palpatine, Anakin would have been happy and Luke would have been farmer for all his life.
The debate should be over. If one watches the Palp/Mace Duel with any common sense and any trace of intellect in their minds, then one would clearly see that Palpatine manipulated the entire situation to the point where he would "fake lose" his saber fight to appear vulnerable and weak to Anakin (Or else Palpatine would've slashed Mace right then and there with the other three JEDI MASTERS!!! Taking out three so quickly... Mace couldn't have been THAT much stronger than them!)
The sight of a weak old caucasian man about to be slaughtered by a bad ass Afro-American with a sweet purple saber is just heart wrenching, to say the least. Palpatine knew this and used it to his advantage. Everything was carefully and precisely planned then executed.
Originally posted by roughrider
Sigh...no, people will keep going in the face of logic, evidence, anything...
and other people will keep making things up simply because they want to believe that Samuel Jackson was nothing. Where in the movie, i don't ask you for anything else. (if you want to listen to George's commentary it says that "Mace was always going to overpower palpatine" Not "be lulled into thinking he was beating palpatine, so he could be chopped up and fried later" He overpowered him. To use a favorite phrase from some of you Windu bashers: End of Story
lol this end of story crap i made up got very far lol wow. I got one question. Did you watch episode 3? What happened when Anakin walked in. Sidious smiled. HE KNEW! It was planned. If you have any sense in your mind and you are not some Mace lover who can't except the fact that he was manipulated into thinking he had it won, you will see he could have been killed in seconds. My fav character is Anakin. I admit he could have killed Obi-Wan probably if he was not so overconfident, point is, he was and that was why he lost in the end. If you read the book Obi-Wan is saying that he is probably going to lose while he is fighting, he thinks Anakin is much stronger than him. But Obi-Wan was smarter leading to Anakin's defeat. I admit that because I am not so stupid to not see that Anakin was beaten because he was cocky.
As I like to say END OF STORY
Originally posted by tlbauerle
Because it's Sam Jackson....
Tru that. And just like in Jurassic Park, his arm got cut-off (coincidence??). Personally, I'd rather be slashed by a lightsaber than get thrown out of a fukking skyscraper.
Harrison Ford requested that Han Solo die in Return of the Jedi, but Lucas denied. So it's wierd that Lucas granted all of Jackson's requests...purple lightsaber, a memorable death, and what-not...
Originally posted by DiamondBullets
Tru that. And just like in Jurassic Park, his arm got cut-off (coincidence??). Personally, I'd rather be slashed by a lightsaber than get thrown out of a fukking skyscraper.Harrison Ford requested that Han Solo die in Return of the Jedi, but Lucas denied. So it's wierd that Lucas granted all of Jackson's requests...purple lightsaber, a memorable death, and what-not...
That's because George Lucas didn't want to get sued by the NAACP or have the Black Panthers egging his zillion dollar mansion(s).
Originally posted by spencerspider
lol this end of story crap i made up got very far lol wow. I got one question. Did you watch episode 3? What happened when Anakin walked in. Sidious smiled. HE KNEW! It was planned. If you have any sense in your mind and you are not some Mace lover who can't except the fact that he was manipulated into thinking he had it won, you will see he could have been killed in seconds. My fav character is Anakin. I admit he could have killed Obi-Wan probably if he was not so overconfident, point is, he was and that was why he lost in the end. If you read the book Obi-Wan is saying that he is probably going to lose while he is fighting, he thinks Anakin is much stronger than him. But Obi-Wan was smarter leading to Anakin's defeat. I admit that because I am not so stupid to not see that Anakin was beaten because he was cocky.
As I like to say END OF STORY
Hello everyone.. Like Mace totally floored Sidious with Vaapad, like super duper. And our little friend Sidious used some sith version of Ataru wich is the SAME technique Yoda and Qui-Gon uses. And if someone feels the urge to ridicule this little SW concept then please waste your time here.
It's all killer cool to me. As I am an internet troll of course. 👆
Originally posted by overlord
Hello everyone.. Like Mace totally floored Sidious with Vaapad, like super duper. And our little friend Sidious used some sith version of Ataru wich is the SAME technique Yoda and Qui-Gon uses. And if someone feels the urge to ridicule this little SW concept then please waste your time here.
It's all killer cool to me. As I am an internet troll of course. 👆
I like the books, i like EU, but be careful, i hear that its not considered real good to like that kind of thing around here. 😕
lol we will never settle this. I am sorry but we wont. Maybe Sidious faked maybe he was just beaten into the ground. I don't know, I am saying what I believe and so are yall. There is no fact even though we both would like one. But no one is gonna change what they think, it is what you think and will always be that way.
Originally posted by spencerspider
um wow weird he smiled because his plan had worked, did you not see where sidious told grievous, i am about to have a far younger and more powerful apprentice on the hologram thing. HE KNEW! again. END OF STORY.
Why did you quickly post? That's not fair.
Oh yeah? What plan?? He almost got killed if it wasn't for Anakin stepping in and stopping Mace.
As far as plans concerned Sidious only had his force lightning as trump card but it failed to his surpise.
Originally posted by overlord
Why did you quickly post? That's not fair.
Oh yeah? What plan?? He almost got killed if it wasn't for Anakin stepping in and stopping Mace.
As far as plans concerned Sidious only had his force lightning as trump card but it failed to his surpise.
Originally posted by darthsith19
Sadly enough I have heard no proof either way as of yet. But Anakin did beat Dooku fair and square. Sorgo will be pissed and will never buy it.
The book is proof if it can be accepted as evidence. Nowhere in it does it mention some master plan of sidious to lose to mace to sway anakin.
I would hate it if the book said that, but i would accept it. But IT DOESN'T
Of course Palpatine knew that he was going to get a new apprentice, anakin had already killed a helpless dooku, and the whole point of losing dooku was to turn anakin.
Originally posted by spencerspider
I am done here like my previous post stated, you will believe what you want to be truth and that is the final statement, (I have to say this one more time) END OF STORY lol