HULK vs FLASH

Started by Juntai6 pages

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I know they don't call it the infinite mass punch. I just want to know if you can recall any other issues that he used it in. I'm not doubting the fact that he can use it. I just want to get a better understanding of it.

I read JLA and Flash. I was wondering if you could direct me towards any particular issues that he uses the punch in. Can you?


In the Return of Superman series against Mongul, when he returned with his speedforce powers. I thought I said that already.

Originally posted by Juntai
In the Return of Superman series against Mongul, when he returned with his speedforce powers. I thought I said that already.

I don't mean to be a pest, but do you have an issue #?

In that comic of Diana and Flash against Cheeta and Zoom in Truth or Dare, Zoom punches Wonderwoman across the planet [clear to Paris], and she said it hurt worse than any time Superman has hit her. Then he hit her clear to Paradise island. He had her defeated then, broken and bleeding on the ground, layed out then started going running around and killing Amazons.. and she eventually got back up and roped him.

One would be left to assume these are also IMP punches, or a near equivelent.. since Zoom's powers aren't quite the same.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
I don't mean to be a pest, but do you have an issue #?
Not offhand.. I'm not a Flash reader, I just know what I do read. Mongul had stomped Flash for nearly an entire comic, then Flash superhealed, leaped up, and Imp punched him for a KO. I could find out though, one of my best friends is the human comic shop.. that's where I get a lot of my reading material, though I currently have 20+ subscriptions he has far more, and digs much farther into comic history than I do.

Originally posted by Juntai
Not offhand.. I'm not a Flash reader, I just know what I do read. Mongul had stomped Flash for nearly an entire comic, then Flash superhealed, leaped up, and Imp punched him for a KO. I could find out though, one of my best friends is the human comic shop.. that's where I get a lot of my reading material, though I currently have 20+ subscriptions he has far more, and digs much farther into comic history than I do.

That's ok. I'll try finding out for myself. Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
That's ok. I'll try finding out for myself. Thanks for the info.
But I did point an issue including Zoom doing a similar manuver to put down Wonder Woman, and Flash doing the steal speed in the same comic. Truth or Dare part one.

Originally posted by Juntai
But I did point an issue including Zoom doing a similar manuver to put down Wonder Woman, and Flash doing the steal speed in the same comic. Truth or Dare part one.

Thanks again. I'll look it up.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Thanks again. I'll look it up.

This comic is also previewed in the "Prelude to Countdown to the infinite Crisis" paperpack.

Flash.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Flash.

is God.

Flash is without doubt one of the most poorly created comic characters.
The writers/artists that created him just never thought very much
about the contradictory nature of his so-called powers.
Things like "stopping time". Time is just a conceptual construct used to
sequentially order events in relation to a constant(base) like the Earth
revolving on its axis(another conceptual construct) and orbiting the Sun.
There isn't an independent thing that exists called Time. All energy &
energy forms are in various states of motion - some of which are
processes like growing from baby to child to an adult, to aging & dying.
So there is no way that some jumped up human in red tights can either
stop time or drag someone to the end of time, as has been suggested
on this thread.

Furthermore may I point out that sunlight travels at the speed of light
and it strikes us and many other energy forms every day without
knocking us out with its "infinite mass". The only ill effects I have every
had was a little sunburn from prolonged exposure.

For an energy form to acclerate to the speed of light it has to expend
energy in vast quantities. Which means that it has to have a means of
storing that energy within its being. The Flash must have quite some
diet and and be quite some size. Yet strangely this is not so for when
he is not the Flash he is just a 'normal' man.

The Flash is supposed to be "human" in that he is not invunerable or
even that durable. Yet any energy form that accelerated to the speed of
light would simple undergo a radical transformation and not be able
to maintain the integrity of its form. It would become light energy which
as we known strikes us normal mortals without killing or knocking us
out. The infinite mass punch is pure bullshit. If a being existed that
was capable of achieving light speed or faster and reforming itself on a
physical energy level it simply could not be human.

Have you ever been on a fast train and looked out of the window at the
countryside as it 'flashes' past. The closer it is to the train the less
distinct the images. So unless Flash is a super-duper godlike being as
he approached something it would just be a indistinct blur. The processes
of the subconscious mind that take the electrical impulses (from the
nervous system) and convert them into our visual perception of the
world do not work that fast. As for the ludicrous suggestion that the
Flash could dodge/avoid the sound waves from the Hulk's sonic clap.
Sonic waves are intangible so Flash wouldn't even be able to see them
if he were standing still.

I could go on and elaborate on other myths about the uber Flash but
I am sure you get the drift. If Flash was travelling at the speed of light
then he would be an intangible energy incapable of even seeing the Hulk
let alone hitting him. He could not strike the Hulk whilst existing at that
energy level. If he was moving at cruise speed of a few hundred miles
an hour and struck the Hulk he would kill himself as he is not invunerable
or even that durable and the Hulk is.

On this basis Hulk wins and easily.

The only speedster that may give the Hulk a 'fair' fight is Jesse Quick
as she has flight, super strength and a degree of durability which is
an energy form's structural integrity - ("invunerability" of a sort)
Come to think of it I reckon that the greater popularity of marvel
characters over DC ones is down to the credibility factor. DC are just
too super powered for their own good - their powers are not thought
about by their creators and the result is silly characters like Flash.

Just because we are born into a world of monumental stupidity its no
excuse to meekly accept it as is.

Originally posted by blackwarrior
Flash is without doubt one of the most poorly created comic characters.
The writers/artists that created him just never thought very much
about the contradictory nature of his so-called powers.
Things like "stopping time". Time is just a conceptual construct used to
sequentially order events in relation to a constant(base) like the Earth
revolving on its axis(another conceptual construct) and orbiting the Sun.
There isn't an independent thing that exists called Time. All energy &
energy forms are in various states of motion - some of which are
processes like growing from baby to child to an adult, to aging & dying.
So there is no way that some jumped up human in red tights can either
stop time or drag someone to the end of time, as has been suggested
on this thread.

Furthermore may I point out that sunlight travels at the speed of light
and it strikes us and many other energy forms every day without
knocking us out with its "infinite mass". The only ill effects I have every
had was a little sunburn from prolonged exposure.

For an energy form to acclerate to the speed of light it has to expend
energy in vast quantities. Which means that it has to have a means of
storing that energy within its being. The Flash must have quite some
diet and and be quite some size. Yet strangely this is not so for when
he is not the Flash he is just a 'normal' man.

The Flash is supposed to be "human" in that he is not invunerable or
even that durable. Yet any energy form that accelerated to the speed of
light would simple undergo a radical transformation and not be able
to maintain the integrity of its form. It would become light energy which
as we known strikes us normal mortals without killing or knocking us
out. The infinite mass punch is pure bullshit. If a being existed that
was capable of achieving light speed or faster and reforming itself on a
physical energy level it simply could not be human.

Have you ever been on a fast train and looked out of the window at the
countryside as it 'flashes' past. The closer it is to the train the less
distinct the images. So unless Flash is a super-duper godlike being as
he approached something it would just be a indistinct blur. The processes
of the subconscious mind that take the electrical impulses (from the
nervous system) and convert them into our visual perception of the
world do not work that fast. As for the ludicrous suggestion that the
Flash could dodge/avoid the sound waves from the Hulk's sonic clap.
Sonic waves are intangible so Flash wouldn't even be able to see them
if he were standing still.

I could go on and elaborate on other myths about the uber Flash but
I am sure you get the drift. If Flash was travelling at the speed of light
then he would be an intangible energy incapable of even seeing the Hulk
let alone hitting him. He could not strike the Hulk whilst existing at that
energy level. If he was moving at cruise speed of a few hundred miles
an hour and struck the Hulk he would kill himself as he is not invunerable
or even that durable and the Hulk is.

On this basis Hulk wins and easily.

The only speedster that may give the Hulk a 'fair' fight is Jesse Quick
as she has flight, super strength and a degree of durability which is
an energy form's structural integrity - ("invunerability" of a sort)
Come to think of it I reckon that the greater popularity of marvel
characters over DC ones is down to the credibility factor. DC are just
too super powered for their own good - their powers are not thought
about by their creators and the result is silly characters like Flash.

Just because we are born into a world of monumental stupidity its no
excuse to meekly accept it as is.


Everything you've said is explained away by the Speed Force.

Sorry. 🙁

Originally posted by long pig
Everything you've said is explained away by the Speed Force.

Sorry. 🙁

That's the entire point 🙄

Was it?

Then he's an idiot, or you're an idiot. It's pretty obvious the speedforce was set in place to explain away the B.S.

Duh! The whole SF is one big plot device that is used for speedsters in DCU. Its a way to do things that don't seem possible. Like Power Cosmic and magic (which is the BIGGEST Plot device ever used in super hero comics.)

but speed force is poorly explained and doesnt seem to have the IT factor to it to make it sound like logical fact, it normally sounds like bullshit. how can flash run without fealin anythin on his body. where does he get the energy from, if speed force is all that then he shoudnt have the need to breathe or eat. how does it explain VIBRATING through molecules, no matter how fast your molecules are moving, as long as ur physical ur molecules will never just vibrate through matter. how exactly does flash NOT gain mass when he accelerates to lightspeed or beyond, and if that is infact the case where the HELL do his infinite mass punches come from. another thing, if they really were INFINITE mass munches theyd have more mass than the universe could hold, also even forgettin than when they connected theyd produce so much energy, that the entire universe if not many universes would be completely annihlated and an almost infinite number of universe with different laws of physics formed. and anyway, even if HE is protected form the affeects of superspeedin beyond lightspeed, the air molecules around him, the ground he puches back on or anythin that touches him would infact also produce an infinite amount of energy and hence the previously mentioned conclusion. also seeing that his power isnt REALLY connected with kinetic energy at all but SPEED, how is it that he can just suck kinetic energy out of other things. anyway, at the speed his living cells LIVE, wally would probably be a very VERY old man by now, but the speed force doesnt really give an explanation for him not bein affected in his age. conclusion, comic book writers DONT pay nearly as much insane attention to physics as fanboys do when tryin to prove PHYSICALLY what their character SHOULD be capable of, while the artists dont really show that kind of power level anywhere in the comic itself, its not really MEANT to be that way.

Originally posted by blackwarrior
Flash is without doubt one of the most poorly created comic characters.
The writers/artists that created him just never thought very much
about the contradictory nature of his so-called powers.
Things like "stopping time". Time is just a conceptual construct used to
sequentially order events in relation to a constant(base) like the Earth
revolving on its axis(another conceptual construct) and orbiting the Sun.
There isn't an independent thing that exists called Time. All energy &
energy forms are in various states of motion - some of which are
processes like growing from baby to child to an adult, to aging & dying.
So there is no way that some jumped up human in red tights can either
stop time or drag someone to the end of time, as has been suggested
on this thread.

Furthermore may I point out that sunlight travels at the speed of light
and it strikes us and many other energy forms every day without
knocking us out with its "infinite mass". The only ill effects I have every
had was a little sunburn from prolonged exposure.

For an energy form to acclerate to the speed of light it has to expend
energy in vast quantities. Which means that it has to have a means of
storing that energy within its being. The Flash must have quite some
diet and and be quite some size. Yet strangely this is not so for when
he is not the Flash he is just a 'normal' man.

The Flash is supposed to be "human" in that he is not invunerable or
even that durable. Yet any energy form that accelerated to the speed of
light would simple undergo a radical transformation and not be able
to maintain the integrity of its form. It would become light energy which
as we known strikes us normal mortals without killing or knocking us
out. The infinite mass punch is pure bullshit. If a being existed that
was capable of achieving light speed or faster and reforming itself on a
physical energy level it simply could not be human.

Have you ever been on a fast train and looked out of the window at the
countryside as it 'flashes' past. The closer it is to the train the less
distinct the images. So unless Flash is a super-duper godlike being as
he approached something it would just be a indistinct blur. The processes
of the subconscious mind that take the electrical impulses (from the
nervous system) and convert them into our visual perception of the
world do not work that fast. As for the ludicrous suggestion that the
Flash could dodge/avoid the sound waves from the Hulk's sonic clap.
Sonic waves are intangible so Flash wouldn't even be able to see them
if he were standing still.

I could go on and elaborate on other myths about the uber Flash but
I am sure you get the drift. If Flash was travelling at the speed of light
then he would be an intangible energy incapable of even seeing the Hulk
let alone hitting him. He could not strike the Hulk whilst existing at that
energy level. If he was moving at cruise speed of a few hundred miles
an hour and struck the Hulk he would kill himself as he is not invunerable
or even that durable and the Hulk is.

On this basis Hulk wins and easily.

The only speedster that may give the Hulk a 'fair' fight is Jesse Quick
as she has flight, super strength and a degree of durability which is
an energy form's structural integrity - ("invunerability" of a sort)
Come to think of it I reckon that the greater popularity of marvel
characters over DC ones is down to the credibility factor. DC are just
too super powered for their own good - their powers are not thought
about by their creators and the result is silly characters like Flash.

Just because we are born into a world of monumental stupidity its no
excuse to meekly accept it as is.

That was so beautiful I damn near messed myself. That's what I think of Flash and many DC characters as well. It seems like a little boy made up their powers... and kept adding powers whenever he thought of a weakness.

If Hulk and Flash fought, it would be in a universe other than DC's. Speedforce universe/force/power/dimension doesn't exist there, sorry.

Hulk for t3h win!!1!1!!

Neither does the Power Cosmic. Or the OdinForce. Or the Uni-Mind. Or a mutant gene that gives certain people powers. Or the Phoenix Force.

The arguement was nothing but a rant that is contridicted by every other damn superhero...

Originally posted by Draco69
Neither does the Power Cosmic. Or the OdinForce. Or the Uni-Mind. Or a mutant gene that gives certain people powers. Or the Phoenix Force.

The arguement was nothing but a rant that is contridicted by every other damn superhero...

Not the same! From what I hear, speedforce is like an extra dimension or universe that may as well have been tailored just for Flash. Gimme a break.

He has too many retarded powers that don't make sense. He can "v..i..b..r..a..t..e" through solid objects and hurt them, yet he is not hurt. What a bunch of bologna!

He's a freakin' human.. not some cosmic power like living tribunal. He's not a god either.

Comics don't make sense half the time anyway, so I'd give this to Flash.