The speedforce is just another load of goddamn baloney. It would have
been smarter if the writers/artists just said Flash's powers were magic.
The Speedforce is an aura (energy field) that protects Flash from physical harm etc. Even if we accepted this at face value it still does not
explain how he is able to process and formulate his visual perceptions -
since this takes place in the brain by way of electrical impulses that do
not travel at the speed of light or even close to it.
Of course all comic characters have fantastic imaginary powers and
abilities. The difference is some are more credible than others as we
are able at least to understand the basis for their said powers. i.e.
We can relate to them as science fiction. Others have powers that are
so poorly explained that its near impossible to relate to them. They are
the concoctions of ill conceived poor imaginations and ought to be
reworked.
Hulk can't do anything that I can think of to connect with Flash. Someone mentioned he could stomp the floor to knock Flash down or whatever, but since Flash reacts and moves so fast that wouldn't be a factor. I know if I'm running and I see the ground is uneven (stepping off a curb or something like that) I just step down into the lower part or up onto the higher part. I don't see why he couldn't just run up it like we would run up/down a staircase.
I don't know how tough Hulk's eyes are, but If I were Flash I would use something and jab him in the eyes at superspeed and then throw salt in there or something. Or mabye grab a carpet from somewhere and rug burn the hell outta him then throw a few bottles of alcohol on him... something to piss him off. I'm moving faster than he can see me, and even if he could then how would he catch me?
Originally posted by Vegetto
Hulk can't do anything that I can think of to connect with Flash. Someone mentioned he could stomp the floor to knock Flash down or whatever, but since Flash reacts and moves so fast that wouldn't be a factor. I know if I'm running and I see the ground is uneven (stepping off a curb or something like that) I just step down into the lower part or up onto the higher part. I don't see why he couldn't just run up it like we would run up/down a staircase.I don't know how tough Hulk's eyes are, but If I were Flash I would use something and jab him in the eyes at superspeed and then throw salt in there or something. Or mabye grab a carpet from somewhere and rug burn the hell outta him then throw a few bottles of alcohol on him... something to piss him off. I'm moving faster than he can see me, and even if he could then how would he catch me?
He could call the police
Flash wins.
The Flash Vs. Mongul (Speed Vs. Strength).
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Originally posted by dvampire
Flash wins.The Flash Vs. Mongul (Speed Vs. Strength).
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WOW. Sweet scans.
Originally posted by dvampire
Flash wins.The Flash Vs. Mongul (Speed Vs. Strength).
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Until now, I suspected Flash comics were boring... but now I have seen proof! Flash, the most boring comic evAr!!!
And yeah that was speedforce vs. strength. But it wasn't speedforce vs. strengthforce! When you tap into the strengthforce it rips holes in all other forces!
Originally posted by scotsmn
Until now, I suspected Flash comics were boring... but now I have seen proof! Flash, the most boring comic evAr!!!And yeah that was speedforce vs. strength. But it wasn't speedforce vs. strengthforce! When you tap into the strengthforce it rips holes in all other forces!
The heck are you talking about? 😕
The images posted by "dvampire" bear out what I have said about Flash.
Hell he falls a substantial way into a hole in the Earth and lands on
a space-ship. The Aura(speedforce) is not shown as braking his fall
in anyway and as he is not very durable, this should have killed him.
Then as per the attached image he actually gets tagged by Mongul
and there is some lame bs about the (magically explain away all the
glaring inconsistencies) "speedforce" having "revved" his reflexes.
Then just to make matters worse Flash thinks "its gonna take some
time before my brain stops pinballing around in my skull". The fact is
if his brain shifted around as he described he would have probably died
or at least been unconscious. If Mongul can hit him, then so can Hulk,
who has in his past struck other speedsters. One punch from Hulk and
at the very least Flash's brain would be liquidised.
Plus if Hulk used a sonic clap Flash would simply run straight into the oncoming sonic waves since he cannot see them as they are
intangible/invisible) and by the time his brain had processed the info
that this was occuring he would be dead.
See the human brain works with electrical impulses - or nerve impulses
if you prefer. This means that even if we accept all the other bs related
to the Flash he is still subject to this limitation. Now if the writers were
smart they would have made Flash a mutant with a meta-human greatly
enhanced physiology that enabled him to process and respond to
incoming data virtually instantly.
This speed versus strength debate has been raging in comicbooks for
quite some time. The main problem is that there is very little creative
or original thought about either factor. With incredible speed you need
to have a supply of incredible energy or at least a means of tapping
into the limitless energy of the quantum void and converting this into
functioning energy for practical use. Incredible speed also necessitates
a change in the nature of an energy form's being. If this does not occur
then the structural integrity of the form dis-intergrates and it is
destroyed. (death) There is a direct relationship between speed of
movement and the structural interity of an energy form. If an energy
form has a weak structure and it strikes another form with incredible
speed then it will be damaged or destroyed from the impact.
With Strength you have got to start by clarifying what it means. It is
usually associated with the ability to lift incredible weight. This means
that the energy form has to have a durable structural integrity otherwise
it would not be able to perform the said feat. The amount of energy
needed to perform feats of great strength increases as the weight does.
Incredible strength does not necessarily mean having incredible striking
power.
Striking power is a combination of speed and mass-energy. Where
mass-energy is the energy form including the structural integrity of the
being in question. To destroy say a mountain with a punch you would
need to have a high degree of structural intergity (durability) as well as
incredible speed of movement. Striking force = speed x mass-energy.
Now if you've read this far you may have been wondering where this
was going. Well as the Hulk has been shown to have incredible
striking power therefore he must also have incredible speed. He is also
incredible durable in that he has the structural intregrity to bear the impact of the strike. If Flash is to be able to perform the feats shown
then he must be a mutant with (1) a significant structural integrity - a
high degree of durability and (2) the abilty to transmute the nature of
his being from physical-energy to subtle/intangible-energy.
As things stand at the moment Hulk posses more credibility as a
character as he has strength, durability, speed and his powers have a well thought out basis. Flash on the otherhand just has speed and a load
of inconsistent poorly imagined powers.
Originally posted by blackwarrior
The images posted by "dvampire" bear out what I have said about Flash.
Hell he falls a substantial way into a hole in the Earth and lands on
a space-ship. The Aura(speedforce) is not shown as braking his fall
in anyway and as he is not very durable, this should have killed him.
Then as per the attached image he actually gets tagged by Mongul
and there is some lame bs about the (magically explain away all the
glaring inconsistencies) "speedforce" having "revved" his reflexes.
Then just to make matters worse Flash thinks "its gonna take some
time before my brain stops pinballing around in my skull". The fact is
if his brain shifted around as he described he would have probably died
or at least been unconscious. If Mongul can hit him, then so can Hulk,
who has in his past struck other speedsters. One punch from Hulk and
at the very least Flash's brain would be liquidised.Plus if Hulk used a sonic clap Flash would simply run straight into the oncoming sonic waves since he cannot see them as they are
intangible/invisible) and by the time his brain had processed the info
that this was occuring he would be dead.See the human brain works with electrical impulses - or nerve impulses
if you prefer. This means that even if we accept all the other bs related
to the Flash he is still subject to this limitation. Now if the writers were
smart they would have made Flash a mutant with a meta-human greatly
enhanced physiology that enabled him to process and respond to
incoming data virtually instantly.
That's just it though. Flash does indeed respond to incoming data virtually instantly. He's not just foot-speed fast. Everything about him, his entire phisiology works at extreme speeds. How the hell do you think he dodges and weaves throughout the city going at insane speeds? He sees everything in his own time, the way that we see something when we're running. He may be going light-speed, yes, but it still would appear the same to him. He not only runs at lightspeeds, but he reacts at lightspeeds as well.
You have to understand this to go any further.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
but thatd be borin like hell, if he percieved everythin at lightspeed than he would actually PERCIEVE the distance he runs in real time, eg if he ran around the earth in less than a second in HIS mind hed have been actually running for YEARS!
I get what you're saying. And maybe I wrote that incorrectly.
What i mean to say is, that things still go by as fast as they do. WHen he runs around the world in one second, it still takes one second, clearly. And that's what it seems like to him as well. It's just that one second feels longer to him than it does others. But somehow his eyesight and mind work at lightspeeds, allowing him to perceive any obstacles in his way and give him ample time (picoseconds) to change course and avoid hitting it.
