Namor can fly with way faster speeds then we thought!

Originally posted by Disappear
also, i can only assume that you're an american, so you really should have an understanding what passing on things you hear as fact can do. see, there once was this place called "Iraq," and a bunch of guys in our government decided to make things up, and tell everyone around them that they were the truth. and, as one might expect, the whole thing blew up in their faces! again, just another out-of-proportion example of a similarity, but a similar situation none the less.

Originally posted by Disappear
you witness the very end of a crime, you have no idea what happened, except that you think someone wound up dead. a cop asks for your statement, and you tell him a story that you cannot substantiate based on what you think you know from your limited perspective. you get a subpoena and are made to give testimony in court. you give your story again, and it turns out you just ****ed the whole investigation by telling a mistruth to an officer. you're arrested for not only perjury, but for messing with an official police investigation. perhaps the example is a bit drastic, but do you see the parallels?

also, i can only assume that you're an american, so you really should have an understanding what passing on things you hear as fact can do. see, there once was this place called "Iraq," and a bunch of guys in our government decided to make things up, and tell everyone around them that they were the truth. and, as one might expect, the whole thing blew up in their faces! again, just another out-of-proportion example of a similarity, but a similar situation none the less.

first of all, saying what you THINK Hapened would not get you in court because you aren't a true witness and have no proof of what happened, so nothing would happen, and your story wouldn't matter.second, why make fun of the american government? that's pathetic, and of you have to resort to that, then why am I having this discusion with you. anyway, I don't like to pass judgement, so i didn't automatically call him a liar, i like to have faith in people and don't automatically go " omg, he's lying" and throw a big fit like you.

i just pointed out two analogies. where was that a fit, and where does it become pathetic to critique a democratic government? as written in the constitution, and even in the bylaws of non-democratic nations, it's a citizen's DUTY to be critical of their government. and, in terms of this analogy, if the shoe fits... also, i never said you should have called anyone a liar, perhaps instead you should've just checked your "facts."

you give testimony as a witness, particularly if you make up a story without informing an officer that you're only speculating, you can be arrested. it's part of the legal system.

cresh, pm me if you feel like it.

Originally posted by Disappear
i just pointed out two analogies. where was that a fit, and where does it become pathetic to critique a democratic government? as written in the constitution, and even in the bylaws of non-democratic nations, it's a citizen's DUTY to be critical of their government. and, in terms of this analogy, if the shoe fits... also, i never said you should have called anyone a liar, perhaps instead you should've just checked your "facts."

you give testimony as a witness, particularly if you make up a story without informing an officer that you're only speculating, you can be arrested. it's part of the legal system.

cresh, pm me if you feel like it.

but the things that the american government have done that are good vastly outweigh the things that have been unbeneficial. the country wouldn't be the same if some of what they have done didn't happen. also, everyone makes a mistake, to harp on them for one mistake is also pathetic consdiering you probably do it everyday because to make mistakes is human nature. i have already explained why i didn't check facts, i would rather have faith in the people rather than to believe they don't know what they're talking about. and secondly, i told everyone that i hadn';t read the issues, so there's the difference between your analogy. i never doubted that you wouldn't get arrested if you made up a story, i said that if you told the officer that youy were speculating then you wouldn't even appear in court.

speculation wasn't part of the original analogy, nor was your "i got these off comixfan" line until just recently. in mein eyes, it still holds. and, off the top of my head, i can't think of jack shit this administration's done that in any way outweighs the bad. i wouldn't dare criticize democracy and 200 some years of american history as a whole; instead i'm bringing up the most slacking example of true patriotism within the white house as part of an analogy.

and if you'd rather have faith in people, that's a great testament to your character. it's just a bad approach to fact-based debate.

Originally posted by Disappear
speculation wasn't part of the original analogy, nor was your "i got these off comixfan" line until just recently. in mein eyes, it still holds. and, off the top of my head, i can't think of jack shit this administration's done that in any way outweighs the bad. i wouldn't dare criticize democracy and 200 some years of american history as a whole; instead i'm bringing up the most slacking example of true patriotism within the white house as part of an analogy.

and if you'd rather have faith in people, that's a great testament to your character. it's just a bad approach to fact-based debate.

you sid that you told the cop that you hadn't seem the crime, and were telling him what you THINK happened, which is speculation, which doesn't make you a true witness. and yes, the fist time i posted all of those feats, i clearly stated that i got them from a user at comixfan, and that i hadn't read the issue. i have said almost everytime, and didn't feel the need to say it anymore because i thought i made the point clear, apparentlly not. no ones doubting that it's bad when in debate, i have already said it was a mistake, and i was wrong. so why keep bringing this up? let's move on.

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stormfront, for the sake of me not making enormous digs into your devotion to storm and her various superfeats you pull from the pit of your ass, don't ever try to tell me what i said again. reread my original paragraph of analogy. not once is it mentioned that the witness confesses their limited knowledge to the officer. if that's what you inferred from reading it, that stems from your own lack of understanding of the simple nuances of the english language. my analogy stands, my entire argument stands, and hearing you back out of your side of the debate with a belabored admission of your idiocy just ain't quenching my thirst.

and, on top of citing examples with no backing and no relevance, you've still yet to prove storm is capable of defying physics to hit supersonic speeds in flight.

Originally posted by Disappear
stormfront, for the sake of me not making enormous digs into your devotion to storm and her various superfeats you pull from the pit of your ass, don't ever try to tell me what i said again. reread my original paragraph of analogy. not once is it mentioned that the witness confesses their limited knowledge to the officer. if that's what you inferred from reading it, that stems from your own lack of understanding of the simple nuances of the english language. my analogy stands, my entire argument stands, and hearing you back out of your side of the debate with a belabored admission of your idiocy just ain't quenching my thirst.

and, on top of citing examples with no backing and no relevance, you've still yet to prove storm is capable of defying physics to hit supersonic speeds in flight.

what the hell is your problem? seriously, no need to get aggressive. i assume your an adult, in which this is just plain pathetic wholey on your part. anyway, you said that you tell the cop a story in which you have no proof, which is what the cop is asking for. the difference between your analogy and what i do is I state that i don't read an issue when i give it. your analogy doesn't stand because it's false. flying mach 8 and 15 just aren't fast enough for you? then i just don't know what to say.

flying mach 8 and mach 15 just aren't reasonable enough, considering wind cannot even hit mach 1 with any linear direction. and, with only your speculation of time relative to distance, that's hardly proof.

also, when both sides of the analogy (witness, and you) attempt to present unbacked information as fact, i believe that means the analogy is correct.

There is an comic now that states that Storm flies with Mach 8 and Mach 15?

Haven't been on this thread for a time...has anybody proven anything about Storm's flying speed?

*groan*

how did a Namor thread turn into a Storm thread?

😮

Does anyone have stats on how fast the Human Torch can fly?

Originally posted by Scoobless
*groan*

how did a Namor thread turn into a Storm thread?

😮

Does anyone have stats on how fast the Human Torch can fly?

Here it is, anyway:

http://x2.putfile.com/10/28609510758.gif

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
I have one scan where it says that he can break the sound barrier, but it's appeared before 80's, so GalacticStorm won't probably accept it as canon.

http://x2.putfile.com/10/28609510758.gif

You need to stop with that rubbish because thats not what i said. 😉

Human Torch can fly up to escape velocity now. He got a 5 rating in the latest F4 handbook

Originally posted by Scoobless
*groan*

how did a Namor thread turn into a Storm thread?

😮

Because the whole point of this thread was to prove Namor could speed blitz Storm. Its basically a follow on from the Storm Vs Namor thread:

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

So...all the people who believed that Namor would not be fast enough to speed-blitz etc. Storm were wrong. 🙂

(And I also mean you, GS. 😉 )

That was his 1st post i believe

Question: Seriously, when did Stormfront start sticking up for himself? It wasn't that long ago when he made a big drama deal about leaving the versus board because people were mean to him.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Human Torch can fly up to escape velocity now. He got a 5 rating in the latest F4 handbook

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You need to stop with that rubbish because thats not what i said. 😉

My point was that showing 60's scans and presenting them as proof of what Namor can do now is just misleading because characters were written totally differently then. From the mid 70's onwards comics gradually became more and more realistic. .

So it only applies on Namor?

By the way, did you notice you never said anything about the scans that showed that Namor could easily take out multiple WWII fighters out of air?

I'll just show the links here, just to save you the trouble.

http://x11.putfile.com/11/30817243455.gif
http://x11.putfile.com/11/30817250877.gif
http://x11.putfile.com/11/30817254011.gif
http://x11.putfile.com/11/30817353015.gif
http://x11.putfile.com/11/30904411480.gif

Last scan is Namor taking out Japanese Kamikaze aircraft. Since they were going for assault, it would only be logical that they were going on full speed or close to that. Namor has raced them and is clearly going faster then they are in that picture.

Guess what were the top speeds of those fighters?

From 320 to whupping 370+ Miles Per Hour.

The scan is from 1988.

Also, in the first scan it says "He goes in 10-G dive".

g (also gee, g-force or g-load) is a non-SI unit of acceleration defined as exactly 9.806 65 m/s², which is approximately equal to the acceleration due to gravity on the Earth's surface.

If we go by that, his acceleration would have been ten times 9.806, which would be 98.6 m/s.

220 Miles Per Hour. Once again, way more then the Handbooks say.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So it only applies on Namor?

By the way, did you notice you never said anything about the scans that showed that Namor could easily take out multiple WWII fighters out of air?

I'll just show the links here, just to save you the trouble.

http://x11.putfile.com/11/30817243455.gif
http://x11.putfile.com/11/30817250877.gif
http://x11.putfile.com/11/30817254011.gif
http://x11.putfile.com/11/30817353015.gif
http://x11.putfile.com/11/30904411480.gif

Last scan is Namor taking out Japanese Kamikaze aircraft. Since they were going for assault, it would only be logical that they were going on full speed or close to that. Namor has raced them and is clearly going faster then they are in that picture.

Guess what were the top speeds of those fighters?

From 320 to whupping 370+ Miles Per Hour.

The scan is from 1988.