Originally posted by GalacticStormI recalled a quote from DarkCrawler who knows infinitely more about Namor than I. If it was inaccurate then I retract said statement. The "sewerage" was me - while under aforementioned belief that DC's statement was correct - assuming you were being as condescending as usual and stating your opinion as Marvel's.
Incorrect. They do give Namors flight speed in handbooks. Dont spout off unfounded opinion and present it as fact.
Originally posted by GalacticStormYou may consider it "lame", but it's valid. Time of flight can't be drawn from what is presented. It doesn't even depict her flying there. You can assume that she did it in a few minutes. One can also easily assume that she took longer.
What a lame counter. When someone says they'll do something in minutes since when is that anything other than a few minutes. If i recall that scene referred to how she warped weather patterns to reach her destination in mins so anything other than a few minutes is highly unlikely and far from what is presented.
Add to that there's a difference between a character saying something and a character actually doing it. It's equally easy to consider it hyperbole.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you dont seem to understand is that neither of the characters abilities on panel are 100% accurately represented in the handbooks however from the higher speed rating given to Storm you know that in the eyes of Marvel she is faster. Just like Namor is shown in comics fighting even defeating the hulk who in the handbooks comes out on top stats wise than Namor. The handbooks are just a guideline but they also provide hierarchy. Storm is faster in the air than Namor according to Marvel and until we see him outpacing something or someone Storm has been shown not to, or they have a confrontation, you cant conclusively say otherwise. Hyperbole doesnt cut it.
According to handbooks. Not Marvel. In the eyes of the handbook writer. Not Marvel.
There is no guy named "Marvel". Just that random guy who wrote the handbook entry. Do you really think he studied Namor comics? Apparently not, since he puts 40 MPH as maximum speed of a guy who is mistaken as missile.
I have yet seen Storm flying faster then Namor. When you can show me a proof, I may believe it.
Meanwhile, I have dozens of proof:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614041322.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30708090890.gif&s=x11
And what do you have?
A handbook entry written by a random guy.
Sorry...I just believe countless of comic books more then handbooks.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Another speed feat of Storms is keeping up with the Human Torch who at top speed can reach escape velocity. He even remarked on her speed saying "Youve got the speed to make a race of this".
A scan...? Issue number...?
I provide them both, is it really so hard to write two or three more words to your post?
Namor has also kept up with the Human Torch.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I recalled a quote from DarkCrawler who knows infinitely more about Namor than I. If it was inaccurate then I retract said statement. The "sewerage" was me - while under aforementioned belief that DC's statement was correct - assuming you were being as condescending as usual and stating your opinion as Marvel's.
Well thats cool. If i am condescending its in reaction to an unpleasant tone in the post of another. It is not a default for myself. Although the reactions from posters can be amusing.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You may consider it "lame", but it's valid. Time of flight can't be drawn from what is presented. You can assume that she did it in a few minutes. One can also easily assume that she took longer.Add to that there's a difference between a character saying something and a character actually doing it. It's equally easy to consider it hyperbole.
Fair enough. However when someone says they do something in mins they are usually referring to a very short duration. 20 mins is very unlikely. Its not conclusive evidence but the scene does infer that she travelled very quickly as the captions detail her waroing weather patterns.
Fair enough. However when someone says they do something in mins they are usually referring to a very short duration. 20 mins is very unlikely. Its not conclusive evidence but the scene does infer that she travelled very quickly as the captions detail her waroing weather patterns.
So did the scene when Namor travelled to North America in minutes.
Here's Namor going near or with escape velocity (Yes, I know that Capt. Marvel is there too. But he is hardly doing all the work is it? Plus, Captain Marvel at those times wasn't 100th as good as he is today)
http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat518ez.gif
I say Namor is roughly doing half the work.
Originally posted by GalacticStormWell, just to be clear I don't want any unnecessary negativity (frankly any negativity over something as trivial as comic characters is unnecessary) between myself and other posters. I'm sure it's unintentional but to be frank you can come across as condescending at times.
Well thats cool. If i am condescending its in reaction to an unpleasant tone in the post of another. It is not a default for myself. Although the reactions from posters can be amusing.
Originally posted by GalacticStormI actually don't doubt that she can surpass 300 mph, but on stormfront's Mach 3, I call bullshit. I don't recall her reaching or breaking Mach 1, but if she's done so I'd say it would require a lot of effort.
Fair enough. However when someone says they do something in mins they are usually referring to a very short duration. 20 mins is very unlikely. Its not conclusive evidence but the scene does infer that she travelled very quickly as the captions detail her waroing weather patterns.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
According to handbooks. Not Marvel. In the eyes of the handbook writer. Not Marvel.There is no guy named "Marvel". Just that random guy who wrote the handbook entry. Do you really think he studied Namor comics? Apparently not, since he puts 40 MPH as maximum speed of a guy who is mistaken as missile.
I have yet seen Storm flying faster then Namor. When you can show me a proof, I may believe it.
Meanwhile, I have dozens of proof:
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif
http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/6113/namorfeat314gc.gif
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/7403/namorspeedfeats4wj.gif
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/3176/namorefeat513dy.gif
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614041322.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30614074861.jpg&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30708090890.gif&s=x11And what do you have?
A handbook entry written by a random guy.
Sorry...I just believe countless of comic books more then handbooks.
Dont get cocky DC cos i'll only take you apart.
Your scans were far from sufficient proof of Namor travelling at speeds far faster than the handbooks state or that we believe.
Sunfires top speed is around 150 mph. (If you want a scan you know i'll come up with the goods). His crusing speed isnt going to be anywhere near that. Sunfire is just flying along and passes Namor who flies up behind him and attacks him. How does that scan show Namor is significantly faster than what we've been lead to believe?
Thats insufficent. Dont even mention the water flowing up behind him because we've been through that. Artistic expression and nothing more. Someone a few classes above Namor couldnt make the water do that in the same way. Again i say artistic expression.
Why you put up a scan of Namor being thrown through the air as proof i really dont know. Next.
Finally in the Polaris missile scan you have some people in a plane talking about how theyre flying over a missile testing facility. Next thing you know Namor bursts out of the water and flies towards them. They understandably mistake him for a missile. Not good enough. A case of mistaken identity not an accurate assessment of his speed from a credible source.
The handbooks are written by people who work for Marvel and they read through comics to come up with the bios. They are an official product and are endorsed by Marvel. According to them storm is faster than Namor. Simple as.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
A scan...? Issue number...?I provide them both, is it really so hard to write two or three more words to your post?
Namor has also kept up with the Human Torch.
Namor was keeping up with Human Torch before HT's upgrade from level 3 to a level 5 rating. While im not saying Storm can attain such speeds im saying she is certainly faster than the 300 mph her bio states. Either way officially shes faster than Namor. So thats all that matters. 😱
For a reference check out Contest of Champions 2.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Here's Namor going near or with escape velocity (Yes, I know that Capt. Marvel is there too. But he is hardly doing all the work is it? Plus, Captain Marvel at those times wasn't 100th as good as he is today)http://img109.imageshack.us/my.php?image=namorfeat518ez.gif
I say Namor is roughly doing half the work.
Speculation on your part and mere plot device im afraid. All of your comic book evidence comes from the 60's/early70's when comics were rife with such rubbish and hyperbole. Come up with some recent conclusive sources. Im betting you cant. My handbook entry was published after that in the late 80's when comics were considerably less far fetched. 😂
We know Namor cant fly at escape velocity and we know he cant breathe in space. Please a bit of common sense.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Dont get cocky DC cos i'll only take you apart.
Yes, because you are not being cocky at all. 🙄
"Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have morals or virtues that one does not truly possess or practice. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence. The word is arguably derived from hypo- meaning under, + krinein meaning to decide/to dispute. A classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out some action whilst carrying out the same action oneself.
The term hypocrisy is also commonly used in a way which should be more specifically termed a double standard, bias, or inconsistency. An example would be when one honestly believes that one group of individuals should be held to a different set of morals than another group.
Hypocrisy also refers to the act of criticizing others for behavior which one engages in as well, or in other words, not practising what you preach. An example would be a parent who smokes, but admonishes their adolescent child not to smoke. Some people believe that most, if not all people are hypocrites since we constantly criticize what we deem to be bad behavior, even though most people do bad things at some point in their lives."
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your scans were far from sufficient proof of Namor travelling at speeds far faster than the handbooks state or that we believe.
Yes.
Handbooks are wrong in many things.
Handbooks think that Storm is faster then Namor. Storm has never shown speed that exceeds Namor's speed before, so they are not right.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Sunfires top speed is around 150 mph. (If you want a scan you know i'll come up with the goods). His crusing speed isnt going to be anywhere near that. Sunfire is just flying along and passes Namor who flies up behind him and attacks him. How does that scan show Namor is significantly faster than what we've been lead to believe?
Significantly faster then what handbooks lead us to believe.
Just another proof that they should not be believed in.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thats insufficent. Dont even mention the water flowing up behind him because we've been through that. Artistic expression and nothing more. Someone a few classes above Namor couldnt make the water do that in the same way. Again i say artistic expression.
Yes. We already went through that.
Sorry? Did I mention it again? Because I didn't notice that I did.
You just wasted an entire paragraph commenting something I didn't do.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Why you put up a scan of Namor being thrown through the air as proof i really dont know. Next.
That was the only thing you noticed? You sure have selective eyes.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Finally in the Polaris missile scan you have some people in a plane talking about how theyre flying over a missile testing facility. Next thing you know Namor bursts out of the water and flies towards them. They understandably mistake him for a missile. Not good enough. A case of mistaken identity not an accurate assessment of his speed from a credible source.
He's still mistaken as missile.
An 40 MPH speed wouldn't make them do that.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The handbooks are written by people who work for Marvel and they read through comics to come up with the bios. They are an official product and are endorsed by Marvel. According to them storm is faster than Namor. Simple as.
And they are wrong. Comics has never shown Storm being faster flyer then Namor. Simple as.
Unless you can show me a comic where Storm goes faster then Namor is capable of doing, you don't have anything else then empty words, with only handbooks as your guide.
Meanwhile (Like I have mentioned) I have coutless of scans showing that Namor is as fast as Storm.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Speculation on your part and mere plot device im afraid. All of your comic book evidence comes from the 60's/early70's when comics were rife with such rubbish and hyperbole. Come up with some recent conclusive sources. Im betting you cant. My handbook entry was published after that in the late 80's when comics were considerably less far fetched. 😂We know Namor cant fly at escape velocity and we know he cant breathe in space. Please a bit of common sense.
Every comic I have shown is canon.
Makers of your handbook entry haven't obviously read a Namor comic in their life (40 MPH 😂 ).
It's kind of hard to come with recent sources, since Namor roughly appears in ten comics per year, most of his appearences being guest appearences.
SO, I am going with what he has done in comics. Which is a conclusive proof.
We might as well ignore ALL feats of characters before 1990...🙄
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Namor was keeping up with Human Torch before HT's upgrade from level 3 to a level 5 rating. While im not saying Storm can attain such speeds im saying she is certainly faster than the 300 mph her bio states. Either way officially shes faster than Namor. So thats all that matters. 😱For a reference check out Contest of Champions 2.
Contest of Champions?
You mean the one where Gambit beat Gladiator?
You are meaning a different Contest of Champions, aren't you?
Wait...you are saying that Storm is faster then her bio states...
And Namor is faster too...
They are both Class 3...
Where do you get this official opinion that Storm is faster then Namor?
Because comics sure don't show it...
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yes, because you are not being cocky at all. 🙄"Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have morals or virtues that one does not truly possess or practice. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence. The word is arguably derived from hypo- meaning under, + krinein meaning to decide/to dispute. A classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out some action whilst carrying out the same action oneself.
The term hypocrisy is also commonly used in a way which should be more specifically termed a double standard, bias, or inconsistency. An example would be when one honestly believes that one group of individuals should be held to a different set of morals than another group.
Hypocrisy also refers to the act of criticizing others for behavior which one engages in as well, or in other words, not practising what you preach. An example would be a parent who smokes, but admonishes their adolescent child not to smoke. Some people believe that most, if not all people are hypocrites since we constantly criticize what we deem to be bad behavior, even though most people do bad things at some point in their lives."
Chill son just playing with ya. I would take u though 🙂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yes.Handbooks are wrong in many things.
Handbooks think that Storm is faster then Namor. Storm has never shown speed that exceeds Namor's speed before, so they are not right.
Significantly faster then what handbooks lead us to believe.
Just another proof that they should not be believed in.
Yes. We already went through that.
Sorry? Did I mention it again? Because I didn't notice that I did.
None of your scans show Namor to be faster than Storm. Faster than his hgandbook entry yeah i'll agree with that but you have no evidence to say that. On top of that Storm has been shown to be faster than her handbook entry as well. Not one of your scans show Namor is faster than Storm. They show him sneaking up on Sunfire whose cruising speed would be significantly less than his 150 mph max. Does that sound like a gd speed feat for Namor? lol.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He's still mistaken as missile.An 40 MPH speed wouldn't make them do that.
Yes and dolphins can be mistaken for great white sharks. Whats your point? The men were flying in a missile testing zone then all of a sudden they see an object come out of nowhere and fly towards them. Mistaken identity thats all. In form he looked like a missile until he got closer and that was discounted. Nothing was mentioned about his speed whatsoever. MOOT point.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And they are wrong. Comics has never shown Storm being faster flyer then Namor. Simple as.Unless you can show me a comic where Storm goes faster then Namor is capable of doing, you don't have anything else then empty words, with only handbooks as your guide.
Meanwhile (Like I have mentioned) I have coutless of scans showing that Namor is as fast as Storm.
But you havent though. None of your examples are sufficient. You have Namor sneaking up on a cruising Sunfire who at top speed is rated at 150mph. Thats nothing.
You have a case of mistaken identity, with no mention of speed whatsoever.
You have Namor flying a weapon up into the sky. Cap M joins him and together they fly it up to orbit. We know conclusively that Namor cant fly at escape velocity (or anywhere near it) and we know he cant breather in space. So one can infer that Captain M helped him or that the whole affair was just more 60's rubbish which contradicts comic affairs and characters reprsentations of the last 20 years. Ive noticed how none of your scans of Namor are recent. All from said period. I wonder why LOL.
You have an out of context pic of namor flying along with SS. We know SS i sfaster than Namor so what point are you trying to make by posting it? They were teammates theyre flying to a mission together. Flying off at light speed leaving Namor behind is hardly team spirit is it? Youve got nothing. Nothing there shows anything of the sort. No conclusive evidence whatsoever.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Every comic I have shown is canon.Makers of your handbook entry haven't obviously read a Namor comic in their life (40 MPH 😂 ).
It's kind of hard to come with recent sources, since Namor roughly appears in ten comics per year, most of his appearences being guest appearences.
SO, I am going with what he has done in comics. Which is a conclusive proof.
We might as well ignore ALL feats of characters before 1990...🙄
Not at all. What you need to remember is that comics were written differently in the 60's/early 70's. Towards the end of the 70's they got more realistic and characters were represented in a fashion relatively similar to how they are today in comparison. You need to remember that Dc had Crisis on Infinite Earths to get rid of all of that far fetched BS. All of that Pre Crisis type rubbish. Marvel hasnt had one until now ( House of M). You cant show me a recent source showing Namor pulling off what you claim he is capable of because there probably isnt one. Comics have got more realistic. My bio is from the late 80's and the figures reflect the more realistic presentations of characters. All of your 60's scans are akin to a pre crisis era for Marvel. All characters were written differently then. No excuses provide some recent scans and prove me wrong. Or better still lets see how Namor turns out after House of M. 🙂
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Contest of Champions?You mean the one where Gambit beat Gladiator?
You are meaning a different Contest of Champions, aren't you?
Wait...you are saying that Storm is faster then her bio states...
And Namor is faster too...
They are both Class 3...
Where do you get this official opinion that Storm is faster then Namor?
Because comics sure don't show it...
Not all of Contest of Champion battles were badly written. Thats just an excuse fans used when theyre characters didnt fare as well as they would have liked or when characters they dislike are portrayed too good for their liking.
The official opinion comes from the bios which are official products of Marvel. Showing scans from Marvels own "Pre-Crisis" times really isnt good enough. When you have some recent scans showing Namor pulling off the rubbish that you claim, then we''ll talk.
They are both class 3 that incorporates Namors apparent 40 mph and Storms 300 mph. Doesnt mean they fly at the same speed mate. Just that theyre placed in the same cateory is all. Both characters imo can fly faster than those values given however according to Marvel Storm is faster. None of your scans show otherwise. Take a step back ignore your love for the character and look at what im saying. Your scans are far from conclusive and most are written in a period where all characters are portrayed completely differentlt to they are now.
None of your scans shows that he can fly faster than or even as fast as Storm. Fster than his stated 40 mph? Yes. But not as fast as Storm im afraid.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What you dont seem to understand is that neither of the characters abilities on panel are 100% accurately represented in the handbooks however from the higher speed rating given to Storm you know that in the eyes of Marvel she is faster. Just like Namor is shown in comics fighting even defeating the hulk who in the handbooks comes out on top stats wise than Namor. The handbooks are just a guideline but they also provide hierarchy. Storm is faster in the air than Namor according to Marvel and until we see him outpacing something or someone Storm has been shown not to, or they have a confrontation, you cant conclusively say otherwise. Hyperbole doesnt cut it.
