Namor can fly with way faster speeds then we thought!

Started by GalacticStorm14 pages

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So every single fight/feat that hasn't appeared in 80's or above should be ignored?

All the X-Men fights? Juggernaut feats? Hulk feats? Classic fights between characters? Avenger feats? Silver Surfer? Strange? Everything should just be ignored?

Whatever you say...I will not be doing that.

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Have you noted that GS hasn't posted a single picture about Storm's flying speed here?

Or anywhere?

I stated an instance an Xmarks confirmed that it existed by commenting. I then talked about the instance in Contest of Champions 2. However i'll post some scans by tomorrow to end this farce of a thread once and for all.

Farce of thread?

You take everything personally, do you?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As we know Namor swims at 60 mph

he swims a lot faster than that

So, what should be the term for when we are talking about Marvel Characters before year 1980?

"Pre-Modern Age?"

"Classic?"

What about nowadays?

"Post-Silver Age?"

"Toned down?"

Of course, there should be special entry:

"Going-by-handbooks"

I can clearly see it in my mind..."Wolverine going-by-handbooks VS Modern Age Human Torch".

Originally posted by Scoobless
he swims a lot faster than that

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8007/namorfeat265gs.gif

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1133/namorfeat341pp.gif

Wait, that was the "Pre-Modern Age" Namor. Doesn't apply. 🙄

How about this, now it is "Post-Silver Age" one.

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/7272/namorfeat691ix.gif

I take it he beats the Abomination?

Yupp.

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/345/namorfeat686lx.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/7272/namorfeat691ix.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/4690/namorfeat702bo.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/1112/namorfeat71kopio2wz.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9911/namorfeat724zw.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9374/namorfeat737jo.gif

Namor was about to finish him.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Farce of thread?

You take everything personally, do you?

Not at all. I was just stating my opinion. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/8007/namorfeat265gs.gif

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7674/avengers003173hf.jpg

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1133/namorfeat341pp.gif

Wait, that was the "Pre-Modern Age" Namor. Doesn't apply. 🙄

How about this, now it is "Post-Silver Age" one.

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/7272/namorfeat691ix.gif

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yupp.

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/345/namorfeat686lx.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/7272/namorfeat691ix.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/4690/namorfeat702bo.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/1112/namorfeat71kopio2wz.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9911/namorfeat724zw.gif

http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/9374/namorfeat737jo.gif

Namor was about to finish him.

So what do any of these have to do with Namors flight speed? Surely we dont need another Namor respect thread? 🙄

My point was that showing 60's scans and presenting them as proof of what Namor can do now is just misleading because characters were written totally differently then. From the mid 70's onwards comics gradually became more and more realistic. So scans from those times onwards are more representative of where characters are at now. The fact is that none of your scans from whatever period have depicted him as being significantly faster than the handbooks state in terms of flight speed. None of them conclusively show he's as fast as and certainly not faster than Storm. That was the whole point of this thread. The beginning post was a bit of a give away. Thats why i call this thread a farce and it shows you take this too seriously. That thread was over ages ago. Let it go. You dont have sufficient eviodence to back up your claims.

Ignore this post.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
So what do any of these have to do with Namors flight speed? Surely we dont need another Namor respect thread?

I asked to see them

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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none of those work

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Whatever you say, regardless of your denial these new set of scans dont show that Namor can fly significantly faster than 40 mph. The first half of them he's swimming. The woman refers to his speed moving through the water and she makes no comparison to superhuman beings. She says nothing to let you know shes taking superhuman beings into consideration. Therefore Namor is moving through the water faster than anything in the animal kingdom should be able to. As we know Namor swims at 60 mph her comments hold true. Again insufficient scans.

Did you see the speed he was getting off the water? That was fast.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He's then flying through a city and talks of how he wont get identified thanks to his speed and the fact that theres loads of flying heroes in New York. Wheres the speed feat there? Again insufficent.

So...getting from another side of Manhattan to another in few seconds isn't a speed feat?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All of your dated scans where Namor is doing something ridiculous come from a period where writing was different and yet none of them conclusively show he's faster than the handbook entrys (which came later) show him to be. You keep coming up with excuses saying that theres been too few appearances from Namor. Well what about the recent Defenders series theres been, what about The Order? Theres been more over the last 15 year sas well. Why arent you so quick to show scansfrom them? Because they dont present Namor in as great a fashion as you'd like.

Yes, everything from 60's is ridicolous...all the classic stories are absolutely stupid. 🙄

LOL, the new Defenders? 😂 Sorry...that's is a comedy series. More talk the fighting. Namor doesn't fight very much in those, and thus far all of the fights have been ground based.

Order? The evil defenders moved around being teleported by Dr. Strange, but here's a picture of Namor fighting jets. I can't wait to see what kind of excuse you can think about this to make it seem that Namor didn't take them out with flight speed...

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30811371830.gif&s=x11

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
None of your scans were sufficient and can all be explained away. Its not me being biased. Look back through this thread, many others have dismissed your "evidence". Even the scans ive called dated all of the 60's ones are insuffient, none of the 70's ones are sufficent as I and others have pointed out. Come up with the goods sor give it a rest DC.

Ah yes, I will "come up with goods", just like you have.

You have posted countless pictures showing that Storm is significantly faster then Namor.

😂

Originally posted by Scoobless
none of those work

Here:

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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
From the mid 70's onwards comics gradually became more and more realistic. So scans from those times onwards are more representative of where characters are at now.

Yes, I see...when Storm gets a power increase to use sun lasers, jovian pressure fields and suck the air out of peoples lungs (which doesn't have to do anything with weather, how many times you have seen a jovian pressure field on earth?) it's completely realistic. But If Namor could do the same things he did at 60's...ridicolous! Outdated!

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What nonsense. Cars move faster than that and i know that given a decent distance any average person can dodge an approaching car at even greater speeds.

This is pathetic DC. Youre still caught up over that Sub Mariner Vs Storm thread arent you? 😂

And what will that distance be?

I am not caught up in that thread...you never won it, though.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

My point was that showing 60's scans and presenting them as proof of what Namor can do now is just misleading because characters were written totally differently then. From the mid 70's onwards comics gradually became more and more realistic. So scans from those times onwards are more representative of where characters are at now. The fact is that none of your scans from whatever period have depicted him as being significantly faster than the handbooks state in terms of flight speed. None of them conclusively show he's as fast as and certainly not faster than Storm. That was the whole point of this thread. The beginning post was a bit of a give away. Thats why i call this thread a farce and it shows you take this too seriously. That thread was over ages ago. Let it go. You dont have sufficient eviodence to back up your claims.

By the way, where is it stated that scans from some year are not sufficient evidence in these forums? I would like to see it, so we could inform other members too.

No SvFL

Spiderman vs. Firelord, or SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career, as well as the character's opponents' established showings. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities. For example, Spiderman defeating a herald of Galactus is a case of the SvFL exemption; however, Batman being able to sneak up on Superman is not because he has done so frequently under different writers.
For standard debates, feats considered to fall under the SvFL exemption are not valid. Likewise, examples of writing which go against firmly set canon are also ignored. For example, in Larry Hama's run of Batman and Grell's run of Iron Man, both characters were out of character and did things very much against established canon; therefore those runs are disregarded.

Therefore, all the scans I have showed are canon, because Namor has done the feats more then once. Way more.

Modern Age Comic books:

(1988)

Here is Namor basically doing this feat:

http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/2802/namorfeat220rx.gif

Only that he does it when he is about 18...and with ease...

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2245/namorfeat650mp.gif

So his strength is same nowadays.

Namor dodging a torpedo:

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/5183/namorfeat660vq.gif

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/1045/namorfeat671oy.gif

Superhuman reflexes, same.

More feats posted when I get more comics.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Did you see the speed he was getting off the water? That was fast.

So...getting from another side of Manhattan to another in few seconds isn't a speed feat?

Ive seen Shamu cause a splash like that at SeaWorld. Insufficent.

Considering the size of Manhattan and the fact that Namor is flying in the air with no obstructions and no forced path NO its not really a speed feat at all. Not of the scale you think and want it to be. Doesnt show he's significantly faster than his bio stats. Doesnt show he's as fast as Storm and definitely doesnt show hes faster than her.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yes, everything from 60's is ridicolous...all the classic stories are absolutely stupid. 🙄

Never said that and never meant that. Just that you need to ignore clear plot devices and over the top feats which were inherent to writing of that period. Stuff he pulled off once or twice in the 60's and has never again since. Regardless of what i said about the 60's none of the scans you've shown have showed him being as fast as Storm.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
LOL, the new Defenders? Sorry...that's is a comedy series. More talk the fighting. Namor doesn't fight very much in those, and thus far all of the fights have been ground based.

Order? The evil defenders moved around being teleported by Dr. Strange, but here's a picture of Namor fighting jets. I can't wait to see what kind of excuse you can think about this to make it seem that Namor didn't take them out with flight speed...

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30811371830.gif&s=x11

The air fighters are flying over the heroes closing in for the attack. They are hardly streaking through the sky DC. Namor out of nowhere flies from underneath and bursts through one of the jets. Considering the jets were closing in for the attack and staying within the effective range of their weapons, considering we dont see how far away Namor was from the jets and how high they were circling before the attack this is hardly sufficient proof.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Ah yes, I will "come up with goods", just like you have.

You have posted countless pictures showing that Storm is significantly faster then Namor.

Im not the one who needs to prove anything here. Thats what i believe you are forgetting. Youre the one who has created a thread in order to hype up Namor. The scans youve provided have failed to reflect your claims. The handbooks are a guideline. The characters can do at least what the handbook states. So we know Storm flies at least at 300 mph. You havent even proven Namors significantly faster than his bio stats. So what do i have to prove exactly? Show conclusively that Namors faster than 300 mph and then its my job to show Storm surpassing her bio stats. 😄

Good luck 😂

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yes, I see...when Storm gets a power increase to use sun lasers, jovian pressure fields and suck the air out of peoples lungs (which doesn't have to do anything with weather, how many times you have seen a jovian pressure field on earth?) it's completely realistic. But If Namor could do the same things he did at 60's...ridicolous! Outdated!

Storms pulling off that stuff now. Theyre feats of the current comic age. Youre trying to present stuff from the 60's as feats he can freely pull of now when he hasnt done for over 20 years. Thats the difference.