Namor can fly with way faster speeds then we thought!

Originally posted by K3VIL
GS that handbook is really old.
Don't be so much annoying man.
Namor has speed feats, the 60 mph traveling speed is outdated as info, now he's faster, Marvel maked him faster, in water he was able to swim against Hulk and hit him full strenght causing tidal waves and making Hulk changing back to banner.

The handbook isnt as old as DC's scans. Thats what you need to make note of. Characters were written totally different in the 60's. Marvel never had a Crisis to get rid of that rubbish they just started writing characters differently. My handbook entry from the late 80's is reflective of that. Ive asked him to come up with some scans showing Namor pulling off the feats he claims hes capable of recently. He cant and we both know that. If someone stating a different opinion to you is something you find annoying then a forum isnt the best place for you to visit.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Im gone for a few hours. I'll come back to deal with your inevitable protestations.

Back soon DC. Be good if i came back to some recent scans. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Chill son just playing with ya. I would take u though 🙂

Nah. 🙂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
None of your scans show Namor to be faster than Storm. Faster than his hgandbook entry yeah i'll agree with that but you have no evidence to say that. On top of that Storm has been shown to be faster than her handbook entry as well. Not one of your scans show Namor is faster than Storm. They show him sneaking up on Sunfire whose cruising speed would be significantly less than his 150 mph max. Does that sound like a gd speed feat for Namor? lol.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4434/namorfeat211qk.gif

Sneaking up? Sunfire sees him coming and blasts Namor who dodges it with ease.

It's a speed feat that shows that handbooks are wrong. Which is what I have been trying to prove here. Only thing you have saying that Namor is faster then Storm is handbooks. Which are not always right. Like in this case.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yes and dolphins can be mistaken for great white sharks. Whats your point? The men were flying in a missile testing zone then all of a sudden they see an object come out of nowhere and fly towards them. Mistaken identity thats all. In form he looked like a missile until he got closer and that was discounted. Nothing was mentioned about his speed whatsoever. MOOT point.

BUT if a 40 MPH thing would fly towards then they would not test missiles. Handbook is wrong.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
But you havent though. None of your examples are sufficient. You have Namor sneaking up on a cruising Sunfire who at top speed is rated at 150mph. Thats nothing.

You have a case of mistaken identity, with no mention of speed whatsoever. You have Namor flying a weapon up into the sky. Cap M joins him and together they fly it up to orbit. We know conclusively that Namor cant fly at escape velocity (or anywhere near it) and we know he cant breather in space. So one can infer that Captain M helped him or that the whole affair was just more 60's rubbish which contradicts comic affairs and characters reprsentations of the last 20 years. Ive noticed how none of your scans of Namor are recent. All from said period. I wonder why LOL.

You have an out of context pic of namor flying along with SS. We know SS i sfaster than Namor so what point are you trying to make by posting it? They were teammates theyre flying to a mission together. Flying off at light speed leaving Namor behind is hardly team spirit is it? Youve got nothing. Nothing there shows anything of the sort. No conclusive evidence whatsoever.

1.He is not sneaking up. Sunfire notices him.

2. Namor is still flying fast in the missile picture. And reaches the coast of America in minutes.

--"Namor wastes little time! He becomes a meteor, a lighting bolt, a streak, across the midday sky...speeding toward the coastline of America!"--

Clearly indicating that he can go FAST.

3. Namor is still helping Captain Marvel to fly the weapon up, so he is flying with very fast speeds.

And Namor can hold his breath in space for MINUTES.

4. "You have an out of context pic of namor flying along with SS. We know SS i sfaster than Namor so what point are you trying to make by posting it?"

Showing that he flies faster then handbooks state.

5. "Ive noticed how none of your scans of Namor are recent. All from said period. I wonder why LOL."

Might be because most of his appearences are from said period. What makes it rubbish anyway? Namor flying faster then handbooks state?

That is no rubbish, you know, since handbooks are wrong in many things.

Namor was flying faster then 40 MPH before handbooks were even created. That's where you notice that the people that wrote the handbooks haven't studied him at ALL.

6. I don't have proof Namor being faster then Storm (And that is not I am trying to proof anyway). But you don't have any proof showing that Storm is faster either. And in arial fight, Namor's superior reflexes (Sufficient of grabbing missiles from air and dodging torpedos with EASE, jumping from meteor to metor...probably ten-twenty times better reflexes then Storm can dream of having) and his WAAAY greater experience in flying (I don't even need to say this) makes Namor Storm's superior in air.

Nothing you can do to it, really.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not at all. What you need to remember is that comics were written differently in the 60's/early 70's. Towards the end of the 70's they got more realistic and characters were represented in a fashion relatively similar to how they are today in comparison. You need to remember that Dc had Crisis on Infinite Earths to get rid of all of that far fetched BS. All of that Pre Crisis type rubbish. Marvel hasnt had one until now ( House of M). You cant show me a recent source showing Namor pulling off what you claim he is capable of because there probably isnt one. Comics have got more realistic. My bio is from the late 80's and the figures reflect the more realistic presentations of characters. All of your 60's scans are akin to a pre crisis era for Marvel. All characters were written differently then. No excuses provide some recent scans and prove me wrong. Or better still lets see how Namor turns out after House of M. 🙂

There isn't recent source because he rarely appears in comics anymore. So I am going with the feats he has done.

Just because something was made in 60's it doesn't mean it's rubbish.

And you are right, Marvel doesn't have crisis.

That is why everything after Golden Age is canon.

Characters of moden age still remember the stuff they did at Silver Age.

The 60's scans are sufficient proof. Just because Namor does things better then your beloved handbooks state, doesn't mean that they are rubbish.

Sorry, but you can't just say that some comics are not sufficient enough of proof just because they are made in some year.

DC had Crisis. Marvel didn't. All my scans are canon.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Ive asked him to come up with some scans showing Namor pulling off the feats he claims hes capable of recently. He cant and we both know that.

I've said the reason to this multiple times.

according to the 2004 Handbooks Storm can fly at 300mph while it says Namor can only swim up to 60 mph and can also fly (no flight speed is mentioned)

i think we all know Namor can swim faster than that.

Namor:

Storm:

Another reason why handbooks shouldn't be trusted...

Two things, first off I'm not saying that namor isn't fast, but you really can't use the "being mistaken as a polaris missle. because this comment is made by people who made the mistake, not a computer or some such. You have to remember that while Namor is flying at them they are flying towards him. So there speed towards him should be factored in. It's not like he's running along side a polaris missle. But don't you think that if he were traveling as fast as a polaris missle that the people in the plane wouldn't have time to react? Unless they are reacting faster than a polaris missle in order to note that it's flying AT them?

Secondly I find it rather odd how selectively the handbooks are applied on these boards. Someone can provide picture after picture of some characters accomplishing feats above what their stats say. And these people are called "fanboys" while other people are accepted to be right in the instance. Seriously what's up with that hypocrasy?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Secondly I find it rather odd how selectively the handbooks are applied on these boards. Someone can provide picture after picture of some characters accomplishing feats above what their stats say. And these people are called "fanboys" while other people are accepted to be right in the instance. Seriously what's up with that hypocrasy?

it depends on which feats are being used.... some are obviously well outside the characters abilities .....and the handbooks generally suck

Originally posted by Scoobless
it depends on which feats are being used.... some are obviously well outside the characters abilities .....and the handbooks generally suck

Yes the handbooks generally do suck, but the problem is still that they are still selectivly used.

If Spider-Man would suddenly hurt Hulk with his punches, or knock him out, it would be PIS.

If Wolverine would grab bullets out from air, it would be PIS.

If Namor would fly to Mars in five seconds, it would be PIS.

But if someone does things like that for their entire time in comics, someone can't just disregard them "Because it happened in 60's".

Originally posted by Creshosk
Two things, first off I'm not saying that namor isn't fast, but you really can't use the "being mistaken as a polaris missle. because this comment is made by people who made the mistake, not a computer or some such.

Here is Namor being mistaken as fighter jet. There is radar, so it is with computers too.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30803570831.gif&s=x11

On the same issue he flew to USA to Antarctica in very short time.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Here is Namor being mistaken as fighter jet. There is radar, so it is with computers too.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30803570831.gif&s=x11

On the same issue he flew to USA to Antarctica in very short time.

As aforementioned, most of your scans are from the 60's when all comics were written very very differently. As comics got more realistic in the 70's DC had Crisis to free themselves of all of the over the top hyperbole saturated stuff from previous eras. Marvel never bothered to do that but instead just started writing their characters and comics in a more toned down and realistic fashion. The handbooks came out and reflected this.

You cannot produce a comic book scan from the last 20 YEARS which shows Namor pulling off feats similar to any of your 60's scans and you and all who read this thread know that. If Namor hasnt been written like that for such a long amount of time and never will be because of a change of the times how can you use his feats from such a period and compare them to characters written after that period?

The same thing goes for Hercules, he's never written as great as he was in the 60's yet his fans like Olympian except this and deal with the limitations imposed on their character because of a different era of comic book writing. I really think you should do the same DC, no offence. Or you could come up with some scans showing Namor pulling off what you claim he is capable of.

All you have here shows him being faster than the 40 mph his bio states. But when you note that this bio was written after your 60's scans and that characters were written differently after your scans, you cant use the argument that the handbook is wrong. Youve just got outdated scans lol.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As aforementioned, most of your scans are from the 60's when all comics were written very very differently. As comics got more realistic in the 70's DC had Crisis to free themselves of all of the over the top hyperbole saturated stuff from previous eras. Marvel never bothered to do that but instead just started writing their characters and comics in a more toned down and realistic fashion. The handbooks came out and reflected this.

Silver Age is still canon. You can't take off those comics just because they appeared in 60's. I'm sorry, but there is nothing showing Namor COULDN'T do stuff like that nowadays. He's gotten more powerful, and if you really want to use the handbooks, they reflect it too (Class 85 to Class 100) Namor's flight speed in handbooks nowadays is not even mentioned. I am sorry, but my scans show what Namor is capable. He has never been toned down.

Even Handbooks have increased his strenght.

You realize that most of the scans I have showed are from 70's-80's period?

Do you see a rule that says "All comic books feats have to be from the last 20 years or they are not valid". Is there a official word from Marvel that says "Yeah...umm, forgot everything that hasn't happened in the last 20 years...It has to be at least from year 1980. 1979 or 1969 doesn't work, sorry."

No there isn't. You know that. There is no "Pre-Crisis" Namor, because there hasn't been crisis in Marvel. Namor has shown that kind of flying ability since his first appearence, and you can't say it's not valid because it happened in 60's. Sorry, but that's just it.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You cannot produce a comic book scan from the last [B]20 YEARS which shows Namor pulling off feats similar to any of your 60's scans and you and all who read this thread know that. If Namor hasnt been written like that for such a long amount of time and never will be because of a change of the times how can you use his feats from such a period and compare them to characters written after that period? [/B]

How many times I have to say this. I can't have scans of Namor's flight speed...because he rarely appears in comics these days. Even when he got his own series, he had his ability to fly for three issues, then it was taken away for the rest of the series.

Nothing shows that he isn't written in same way. His personality is same. His strength is same. His durability is same.

Why wouldn't his speed be? Because it would make him as fast as Storm?

You are being very biased here...

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The same thing goes for Hercules, he's never written as great as he was in the 60's yet his fans like Olympian except this and deal with the limitations imposed on their character because of a different era of comic book writing. I really think you should do the same DC, no offence. Or you could come up with some scans showing Namor pulling off what you claim he is capable of.

No and the reason to that is showed above.

In his own series Namor lost the ability to fly after few issues. Kind of hard to show flying feats, isn't it?

Rest of his appearences are guest ones then. So I am using the feats he has shown to do. No matter what year it is, he is not Superman who has Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis incarnations. He is the same character he was at 60's.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All you have here shows him being faster than the 40 mph his bio states. But when you note that this bio was written after your 60's scans and that characters were written differently after your scans, you cant use the argument that the handbook is wrong. Youve just got outdated scans lol.

70's scans, actually. Only scan that is before year 1969, is the scan I showed at the beginning of this thread.

Rest is 1969-1979.

But...since I know you won't give up, here is some scans. 1990.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808480841.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808484846.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808495556.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808522776.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808525411.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808533715.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808550542.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808554319.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808563044.gif&s=x11

That is the time when Namor is weakened...after those issues he lost the ability to fly for some time.

And even if he would be only able to fly 40 MPH, that would be 17 meters in second. 8,5 in half a second...way to fast for someone with human reflexes react. By the time the impulses from Storms brain have made her move, Namor would have already crossed the distance between them, going moving before Storm because of his increased reflexes.

And that would be with 40 MPH.

We need to be realistic in every sense of the word, don't we? 🙂

Marvel didn't have a a Crisis as a single moment when they stopped having them do off the wall shit, but they did take to more realism.. GS is right, imo. It's increasingly obvious looking across their titles. Look at Hulk's old stuff, for example, then look at him now..
And while they may still REFER to things from back then, and remember them..
it's no different than DC still refering/being affected by things that happened Pre Crisis.. such as Sinestro's story, and even Krona for example.

So every single fight/feat that hasn't appeared in 80's or above should be ignored?

All the X-Men fights? Juggernaut feats? Hulk feats? Classic fights between characters? Avenger feats? Silver Surfer? Strange? Everything should just be ignored?

Whatever you say...I will not be doing that.

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Have you noted that GS hasn't posted a single picture about Storm's flying speed here?

Or anywhere?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
So every single fight/feat that hasn't appeared in 80's or above should be ignored?

All the X-Men fights? Juggernaut feats? Hulk feats? Classic fights between characters? Avenger feats? Silver Surfer? Strange? Everything should just be ignored?

Whatever you say...I will not be doing that.

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Have you noted that GS hasn't posted a single picture about Storm's flying speed here?

Or anywhere?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Silver Age is still canon. You can't take off those comics just because they appeared in 60's. I'm sorry, but there is nothing showing Namor COULDN'T do stuff like that nowadays. He's gotten more powerful, and if you really want to use the handbooks, they reflect it too (Class 85 to Class 100) Namor's flight speed in handbooks nowadays is not even mentioned. I am sorry, but my scans show what Namor is capable. He has never been toned down.

Even Handbooks have increased his strenght.

You realize that most of the scans I have showed are from 70's-80's period?

Do you see a rule that says "All comic books feats have to be from the last 20 years or they are not valid". Is there a official word from Marvel that says "Yeah...umm, forgot everything that hasn't happened in the last 20 years...It has to be at least from year 1980. 1979 or 1969 doesn't work, sorry."

No there isn't. You know that. There is no "Pre-Crisis" Namor, because there hasn't been crisis in Marvel. Namor has shown that kind of flying ability since his first appearence, and you can't say it's not valid because it happened in 60's. Sorry, but that's just it.

How many times I have to say this. I can't have scans of Namor's flight speed...because he rarely appears in comics these days. Even when he got his own series, he had his ability to fly for three issues, then it was taken away for the rest of the series.

Nothing shows that he isn't written in same way. His personality is same. His strength is same. His durability is same.

Why wouldn't his speed be? Because it would make him as fast as Storm?

You are being very biased here...

No and the reason to that is showed above.

In his own series Namor lost the ability to fly after few issues. Kind of hard to show flying feats, isn't it?

Rest of his appearences are guest ones then. So I am using the feats he has shown to do. No matter what year it is, he is not Superman who has Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis incarnations. He is the same character he was at 60's.

70's scans, actually. Only scan that is before year 1969, is the scan I showed at the beginning of this thread.

Rest is 1969-1979.

But...since I know you won't give up, here is some scans. 1990.

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808480841.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808484846.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808495556.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808522776.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808525411.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808533715.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808550542.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808554319.gif&s=x11
http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/30808563044.gif&s=x11

That is the time when Namor is weakened...after those issues he lost the ability to fly for some time.

Whatever you say, regardless of your denial these new set of scans dont show that Namor can fly significantly faster than 40 mph. The first half of them he's swimming. The woman refers to his speed moving through the water and she makes no comparison to superhuman beings. She says nothing to let you know shes taking superhuman beings into consideration. Therefore Namor is moving through the water faster than anything in the animal kingdom should be able to. As we know Namor swims at 60 mph her comments hold true. Again insufficient scans.

He's then flying through a city and talks of how he wont get identified thanks to his speed and the fact that theres loads of flying heroes in New York. Wheres the speed feat there? Again insufficent.

All of your dated scans where Namor is doing something ridiculous come from a period where writing was different and yet none of them conclusively show he's faster than the handbook entrys (which came later) show him to be. You keep coming up with excuses saying that theres been too few appearances from Namor. Well what about the recent Defenders series theres been, what about The Order? Theres been more over the last 15 year sas well. Why arent you so quick to show scansfrom them? Because they dont present Namor in as great a fashion as you'd like.

None of your scans were sufficient and can all be explained away. Its not me being biased. Look back through this thread, many others have dismissed your "evidence". Even the scans ive called dated all of the 60's ones are insuffient, none of the 70's ones are sufficent as I and others have pointed out. Come up with the goods sor give it a rest DC.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And even if he would be only able to fly 40 MPH, that would be 17 meters in second. 8,5 in half a second...way to fast for someone with human reflexes react. By the time the impulses from Storms brain have made her move, Namor would have already crossed the distance between them, going moving before Storm because of his increased reflexes.

And that would be with 40 MPH.

We need to be realistic in every sense of the word, don't we? 🙂

What nonsense. Cars move faster than that and i know that given a decent distance any average person can dodge an approaching car at even greater speeds.

This is pathetic DC. Youre still caught up over that Sub Mariner Vs Storm thread arent you? 😂