The fact that some stay together and some, don't while some try to be leaders, and others would rather just sit down and let it come. The ending of the second movie as in the whole "not live film" thing was great, but I do have some doubts about where they are takin the 3rd film, just because of the ending.
Originally posted by Mišt
He lost, his game was to listen to Jigsaw, and he failed, so he was locked in the room. Amanda said "Game over" when she shut the door, I hope he dies so we can get over him.
Hmm,good point.I suppose he doesn't deserve a chance to show up in Saw III.(unless he goes into super-cop mode and finds out a way to get out of there) Maybe it'd be cool to see him be a part of a deathtrap.Sort of like that random guy who got his intestines cut out in the first one.
Originally posted by cropsy_is_god
To give my opinion on the series which everybody over rates.
Overrated? What the hell are you talking about? Both Saw films generally got bad reviews from the critics.
You want to see an overrated piece of crap? Go see Hostel.
(and f*cking hell,the Hostel DVD ad is running at the bottom of the page.with twice gore and such.... dammit,the gore in the original version wasn't enough to redeem Hostel.now all my friends who watch the DVD will acuse me of being too hard on the movie. ><; )
Originally posted by David Sykes
The fact that some stay together and some, don't while some try to be leaders, and others would rather just sit down and let it come. The ending of the second movie as in the whole "not live film" thing was great, but I do have some doubts about where they are takin the 3rd film, just because of the ending.
I thought that was one of the weaker parts of Saw 2, it wasnt very...'realistic' in how the characters interacted. It just turned into a selfish brawl for survival, with everyone just ignoring Jigsaw's messages about finding clues to win. Of course people would panic in that situation, but that shitted me off, there wasnt a smarter person who went 'Hey, I just thought, what if...' and then they tried to solve the puzzle, but no, the house was full of retards.
I prefer Saw 1 because of this, you've still got the panicking character, but you've also got the logical thinker who tried to work out why/how/what...the puzzle unravelled as they worked it out. It made it FAR better to watch than a bunch of nitwits running around...two parts in Saw 2 pissed me right off, the first when that guy went into the furnace...DUH its a freaking trap, think about WTF you're doing before you go in there! The second was when the chick tried to get the needle out of the glass box and cut her hands, if they made it so she stuck both hands into the same hole trying to free herself but still got stuck, at least it wouldn't have been so bad, but the dumbshit got both her hands stuck doing the opposite of what she was supposed to do....so frustrating watching them do things when you know they're gonna fail. Im hoping Saw 3 can pick this up and make up some traps that arent gonna end so obviously with us knowing how the character is gonna fail/succeed. The opening to Saw 2 was pretty good, cause you didnt know whether the guy would cut the key out of himself or not, even though you were hoping he'd fail, you still werent sure whether he would or not, as opposed to the shit ones in the house.
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I agree with you Mist.I also thought Saw I overall was better than the sequel.Saw II in a way was basically MTV's Real World from hell.
I actually had a problem with the first deathtrap at the beginning of Saw II.After my first viewing,I assumed the guy couldn't raise his arms to try to shield the front and back of his head since I thought the deathmask had shoulder pads to prevent him from doing so.But after my second viewing I noticed there weren't any shoulder pads,the deathmask was just an oversized neckbrace.So I thought it would've been way more realistic if the guy had tried to shield his head before the deathmask clamped down.
But instead we just got him screaming and freaking out with lots of fast and visceral editing.If the guy shielded his head,would he have still died? Most likely.Hell,it's possible the clamp might've had enough force to chop his arms off.But again,it would've been realistic if he had tried.And the more realism a horror movie strives for,the greater overall effect.
But regardless of all the issues the movie has,I still think Saw II was pretty good.Just not nearly as good as Saw I.Oh yeah,I think the overall stupidity in the group could possibly be connected to the poison they were all inhaling,and therefore might've impaired their judgement.(and then throw in some panic,desperation,etc.) The girl who put both arms into the box did seem out of it.But the furnace part WAS just plain freakin' STUPID.
Yeah, the poison would have had some effect, but then when you look at certain characters....the black guy didnt seem that affected, he seemed to be trying to put things together, the musclehead was just a dick from the start, poison wasnt really affecting his judgement, the Obi guy was just...weird...but some of the scenes made it look like the characters had some mental problem rather than suffering from fear and so on (the guy who tried to open the door and got shot in the face...how stupid can one person be?)....even if the chick tried to free herself, failed, then realised she couldnt do it and stuck her hand in anyway and gotten stuck....would have improved the movie. Same with the opening guy, he just kinda gave up and let it happen, hell I'd be cramming shit in there to jam it open.
I liked Amanda's trap from the first one, it showed that obviously she was panicking and struggled to free herself, then failed and realised the only way to free herself is to stop and think about what she was supposed to do.