Wonder Woman vs Thing and Namor

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hm... similarity in post style, avatar, name type, join date and bias if it was BS by k3vil then it's very convincing BS. Puh-lease, if I state something that's proven inaccurate then I'll very easily admit it, you've proven nothing other than that you make wolverine8888 look fair and balanced.

Thor would beat Namor and Thing. A Hulk incarnation amped enough to beat Wonder Woman would take down Thing and Namor.

The oversimplification of A>B therefore B<C only works if you can show that C>A.

I'd love see who he and now you are accusing me piggybacking with...

I'd like to see the similarities against my own account.

Please enlighten me.

Both THING and Namor have stalemated THOR solo through longer fights in the past...The THING has taken a godforce blast to the chest and gotten right up before.

Hulk doesn't need to start at an amped level at all to fight WW his normal strength progressions will do him just fine and he will burry WW.

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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Thor would beat Namor and Thing.

And there sir lies the problem. Thor struggles against Namor alone. Like ive said before, Namor has been said to be in the same class as the likes of Thor, Hulk, and Hercules. Thor could beat Namor and Thing individualy, and vise versa. However, together theyd they whoop him.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
A Hulk incarnation amped enough to beat Wonder Woman would take down Thing and Namor.

Once again Namor has beat savage Hulk before. He also beat Banner controlled Hulk, and was whooping Dark Hulk(Dont know exactly how strong he is). Thing puts up a good fight. Together they beat him too. I really dont see your point here.

WW could beat them individualy. Theres no doubts about that, but together shed win some and lose some. Just based off facts that Namor beat Savage Hulk who is stronger than Wonder Woman, stalemated Hercules on land who is probably equal to Wonder Woman, and put up a good fight against Thor who is probably stronger than Wonder Woman as well, inclines me to believe that Namor could do the same with her. Add Thing, and she goes down.

Originally posted by jrodslam

WW could beat them individualy. Theres no doubts about that, but together shed win some and lose some. Just based off facts that Namor beat Savage Hulk who is stronger than Wonder Woman, stalemated Hercules on land who is probably equal to Wonder Woman, and put up a good fight against Thor who is probably stronger than Wonder Woman as well, inclines me to believe that Namor could do the same with her. Add Thing, and she goes down.

Wonder Woman is probably faster then Herc, Hulk or Thor, though...lot faster.

Hmmm. Why place this where Namor has no aqua? That automatically means he fights below par. I still think WW would take this, but at least, if she has to fight Namor in his element, she will have a much greater task. Of course, in all fairness, we should consider the following...

As for WW getting punched by Superman across space...as cool and dramatic as that is, we do have to keep in mind that DC plays like hell with the power levels...like when moons are being towed. If WW's (or Supes'😉 power level stayed at that level constantly, they'd be nigh-cosmics, having no business dealing with planetary problems.

I mean, if we're gonna make That Punch canon, then let's be consistent: Storm Beats WW, and Batman's kicks affect Captain Marvel (whom, being on par with Superman means: Batman's kicks can affect a being who can help tow a celestial body).

Clearly, DC's fave pastime is hoover

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Wonder Woman is probably faster then Herc, Hulk or Thor, though...lot faster.

She may be faster in running speed. However, usually when it comes to h2h combat, the superspeed is rarely used.

Originally posted by jrodslam
She may be faster in running speed. However, usually when it comes to h2h combat, the superspeed is rarely used.

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Originally posted by DarkCrawler
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Ha now thats a prime example of CIS. Just like her catching Zoom.

I guess Mongul and Despero is faster than her? lol.

Originally posted by The Ion
Diana lifted Asmodel's chariot which was the same size as San Francisco. That's not being in the same league. That's being clear and outright better.

I disagree about that being her greatest feat :

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Why is it that every time some ubertype wants to tow a celestial body (or even just an island), they do it with a chain ? Seems something like a tractor beam would be more efficient.

And where do they get these uberchains from? Super Home Depot? What are they made of? Somewhere there must an Uberforger, no? And if there are uberchains, why not an uberspit, you know, so someone like Galactus could do planetary shishkabab?

Chains. So medievel.

The really funny thing that I don't understand about the whole moon moving thing is if Diana herself was granted the strength of the entire earth and Superman is stronger than her and that cutie Kyle is a GL why all three of them shouldn't she be able to do it herself?

And oh she really hands Thing and Namor asses she could just use Thing as a club to beat Namor.

Originally posted by jrodslam

WW could beat them individualy. Theres no doubts about that, but together shed win some and lose some. Just based off facts that Namor beat Savage Hulk who is stronger than Wonder Woman, stalemated Hercules on land who is probably equal to Wonder Woman, and put up a good fight against Thor who is probably stronger than Wonder Woman as well, inclines me to believe that Namor could do the same with her. Add Thing, and she goes down.

You're not thinking clearly. If this was Captain Marvel you would be saying he wins without a doubt but of course this is different right? 😉

Thing in this fight is utterly redundant. The majority of the battle will take place in the air. With Namor. Thing at best will be forced to throw rocks or debris.

This isn't just about strength. This is everything the characters have to bring to the plate. And Diana has it in spades. As said before this basically Superman without heat vision and ice breath vs. Thing and Namor. Add an unbreakable lasso that can cut a bloody swath through her opponents, a tiara capable of instantly decapitating her opponents, speed that rivals Superman, vambraces capable of deflecting a majority of their attacks and unerring combat skills that greatly surpass both her combatants combined and Namor/Thing get curbstomped.

Anyhoo this is basically WW vs. Namor. Than when Namor gets slapped out of the fight in the air. She goes to pummel Thing into submission.

Face facts: She's too strong. She's too damn fast. And she's too damn vertasile for either of her opponents.

A more interesting fight would be if WW no longer had her flight and superspeed.

Originally posted by Wynndar

Oh and about this thread. I dont really see how it makes any sense at all. Tony is right Thing and Namor have individually beaten a list of enemies a mile long. Making an argument like WW would blow Thing's head off with her little finger is pure garbage. 90% of the people in this forum have a disturbing hatred of the Thing that results in them giving him no credit at all. The fact that their knowledge of the Thing is mostly based on cartoons and the F4 movie doesnt help either. Thing has beaten the Destroyer and Hulk, taken the best from Champion with the power gem, Gladiator, Occulus,etc and survived a blast that destroyed a planet sized cosmic being. Thanos is really the only person who's treated him a b!tch...and he would do the same to WW anyway.

So yea...IMO Thing with Namor is certainly overkill...

Again. What do people have to offer besides "Thing and Namor fought so and so!" That's not a logical arguement. I can say WW fought Skyfather-level gods to victory or standstills (she has...) and the result would remain the same.

Thing has no place in this fight. A sublight speedblitz with thousands of near-Superman level blows takes him out in the first few seconds. Namor would last for the most a half-minute.

I seriously don't know why people bring up Thor, Hulk and Hercules as proof that Namor and Thing will win when WW is capable of beating all these people instead of just holding their own in a PIS-induced storyline.

Originally posted by Draco69
You're not thinking clearly. If this was Captain Marvel you would be saying he wins without a doubt but of course this is different right? 😉

Not at all. Id say he could win.

Originally posted by Draco69
Thing in this fight is utterly redundant. The majority of the battle will take place in the air. With Namor. Thing at best will be forced to throw rocks or debris.

Why do you assume that? Just because Namor flies doesnt meant hed automatically go to the air to meet her. He may be hotheaded at times but hes far from a stupid fighter. Hed stay with Thing and wait for her to come down to them.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Not at all. Id say he could win.

And yet WW can't when they're nearly the same in powersets? Hell they share the same gods in some areas...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Why do you assume that? Just because Namor flies doesnt meant hed automatically go to the air to meet her. He may be hotheaded at times but hes far from a stupid fighter.

I assume that because as you say he's 'hotheaded". He'll shout his usual "IMPERIOUS REX" and charge headfirst against Diana.

Even if in Namor stays on the ground it won't do any good because Diana can still speedblitz the both of them before they can blink. Thing would either get wrapped up in her lasso or get knocked into some nearby mountain.

You're underestimating her combat skills. She's nearly unparalled in this department. She'll just seperate her opponents and pick them off. Again. This is primarily Namor vs. WW. Thing has no place in this fight. He's too slow. He can't fly. And his strength isn't nearly on par with hers.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Hed stay with Thing and wait for her to come down to them.

And Diana would stay in the air because her centuries of combat experience say that would be unwise. She'd just Godblast them from above her or simply use her Lansinar tech to blitz them.

Originally posted by Draco69
And yet WW can't when they're nearly the same in powersets? Hell they share the same gods in some areas...

Well Cap has PART of the strength of hercules who does very well against her. Namor has been said to be EAQUAL to Hercules in strength so.....

Originally posted by Draco69
I assume that because as you say he's 'hotheaded". He'll shout his usual "IMPERIOUS REX" and charge headfirst against Diana.

And i also said that hes a smart fighter. Plus him being hotheaded gives him forcus most of the time. So he wouldnt charge headfirst like a moron. When he sends her flying with a punch, thats when he'll yell IMPERIOUS REX!!

Originally posted by Draco69
Even if in Namor stays on the ground it won't do any good because Diana can still speedblitz the both of them before they can blink. Thing would either get wrapped up in her lasso or get knocked into some nearby mountain.

Speedblitz before they can blink? Not saying anything for Thing, but you make it seem as if Namor's some slowpoke. How fast is she exactly? Speed of Mercury/Hermes we know that, but how fast? When brawling she rarely uses that speed more than she does.

Originally posted by Draco69
You're underestimating her combat skills. She's nearly unparalled in this department.

Im not underestimating her combat skills at all.

Originally posted by Draco69
And Diana would stay in the air because her centuries of combat experience say that would be unwise. She'd just Godblast them from above her or simply use her Lansinar tech to blitz them.

Thats right. Stay in the air and Godblast or use lasso's and other equipment besides the bracelets. 😉

Why is Hulk, Hercules or Thor brought up I missed that Diana can easily beat HUlk and Herc and at least stalemate or beat Thor the thing is yes Thing and Namor have held their own against these three but, Diana would do way better by beating them.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well Cap has PART of the strength of hercules who does very well against her. Namor has been said to be EAQUAL to Hercules in strength so.....

Equal to MORTAL Hercules. Not IMMORTAL Hercules. Big difference.

Originally posted by jrodslam
And i also said that hes a smart fighter. Plus him being hotheaded gives him forcus most of the time. So he wouldnt charge headfirst like a moron. When he sends her flying with a punch, thats when he'll yell IMPERIOUS REX!!

He can focus all he wants. He simply doesn't have the stuff to beat her. No offense to Namor but while he's a tactical fighter at times. He DOES do stupid things in favor his arrogance and temper. And he seriously doubt he would take WW seriously as an opponent.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Speedblitz before they can blink? Not saying anything for Thing, but you make it seem as if Namor's some slowpoke. How fast is she exactly? Speed of Mercury/Hermes we know that, but how fast? When brawling she rarely uses that speed more than she does.

Her speed doesn't really have a maximum level. When she does use her speed she doesnt' seem to strain THUS we can't really judge her maximum speed. But there are comical references where she HAS either flown or run across the planet (ex. New Jersey to Bejing in only 6 seconds) in mere seconds to reach her destination. So she's up there with Superman. She's also fast enough to react to the Flash and a bloodlusted Superman so I don't doubt she can speedblitz them before they blink. Namor MAY react in time but Thing certainly won't. An opponent with that much strength hurtling towards Thing at sublight speeds? Ouch.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Im not underestimating her combat skills at all.

Okay...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats right. Stay in the air and Godblast or use lasso's and other equipment besides the bracelets. 😉

If Namor decides to cower on the ground with Thing, sure. 😆

Originally posted by LethalFemme
Why is Hulk, Hercules or Thor brought up I missed that Diana can easily beat HUlk and Herc and at least stalemate or beat Thor the thing is yes Thing and Namor have held their own against these three but, Diana would do way better by beating them.

Easily beat Hulk and Herc? In h2h combat? Namor didnt just hold his own against the 3. He actually beat Savage Hulk, stalemated Herc and Thor. Wonder Woman CAN beat all 3 yes. I dont dissagree with that.

Originally posted by Draco69
Equal to MORTAL Hercules. Not IMMORTAL Hercules. Big difference.

SO the Hercules in JLA/Avengers was IMMORTAL Hercules? I didnt think so. She only seemed to have a slight advantage over Hercules at a point.

Originally posted by Draco69
He can focus all he wants. He simply doesn't have the stuff to beat her. No offense to Namor but while he's a tactical fighter at times. He DOES do stupid things in favor his arrogance and temper. And he seriously doubt he would take WW seriously as an opponent.

Well considering her strength, im sure hed take her very seriously. He teams and faces powerful women all the time. Llyra, Andromedea, Invisible Woman, Tamara etc.

Originally posted by Draco69
Namor MAY react in time but Thing certainly won't. An opponent with that much strength hurtling towards Thing at sublight speeds? Ouch.

Lol. So you think that would knock Thing out?

Originally posted by Draco69
If Namor decides to cower on the ground with Thing, sure. 😆

Bah! Namor cowers for noone. Very funny.

Originally posted by jrodslam
SO the Hercules in JLA/Avengers was IMMORTAL Hercules? I didnt think so. She only seemed to have a slight advantage over Hercules at a point.

Hercules in JLA/Avengers took place sometime before Disassembled. I don't know if Hercules was immortal that time.

And seriously, people. You guys NEED to get over this sexist thing about WW beating Hercules.

First battle. WW hits Hercules. Hercules: Oof! Hercules hits WW full on: Nnn! WW reacts to the punch like a boxer jab. WW punches Hercules: He gets thrown through a friggin wall. Hercules is pinned by a distracted WW warding off the Asgardians. Hercules is doing his best to get free.

Second battle: Only one panel. Hercules manages to grapplehold WW for a very short period. HOWEVER he had the help of Wasp and Yellowjacket sting her face repeatedly. Another panel shows he was thrown back and WW goes to deflect Wasp's bio stingers. Hercules WAS gonna go back to battle WW but he saw Superman defeat Thor.

WW was clearly the better in both fights. Why people dance around this issue is beyond me.

And it doesn't matter because it's a damn crossover and crossovers are completely full of PIS/CIS. (Captain Atom ISN'T vulnerable to uranium! What was Busiek smoking?!)

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well considering her strength, im sure hed take her very seriously. He teams and faces powerful women all the time. Llyra, Andromedea, Invisible Woman, Tamara etc.

He doesn't know who Wonder Woman is. Seriously, you expect Namor to take a woman dressed in a star-spangled bikini outfit with a yellow rope seriously? He doesn't take the Thing and sometimes the Hulk seriously...

Originally posted by jrodslam
Lol. So you think that would knock Thing out?

Ya.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Bah! Namor cowers for noone. Very funny.

He fears the lasso. Once the lasso gets around him, he'll FINALLY come out of the closet and admit he's the homosexual lover of Northstar. With those ears they were MADE for each other... 😆