I hate the JLA/Avengers crossover only when it comes to the fight between the two teams because it's obvious that both DC and Marvel gave a little to get a little in an all out fight JLA would have devastated a lot of the Avengers. It's a shame that even in a crossover there's PIS and CIS but, then again I guess that's the best time to use them.
The first official fight between JLA and Avengers should have ended in minutes. Especially with the Flash.
But the writers was clearly favoring the Avengers (no surprises) because he made two of the JLA lose their powers. WHILE he gave Iron Man a Mother Box, Scarlet Witch crazy chaos magic and Photon GL energy.
Originally posted by Draco69
And seriously, people. You guys NEED to get over this sexist thing about WW beating Hercules.
What the hell are tou talking about Drac? Sexist? Huh? I said she only had a slight advantage. Sex has nothing to do with it. Do you not agree that it was only a slight advantage or not?
Originally posted by Draco69
WW was clearly the better in both fights. Why people dance around this issue is beyond me.
Slightly the better. Too bad they werent longer huh?
Originally posted by Draco69
He doesn't know who Wonder Woman is. Seriously, you expect Namor to take a woman dressed in a star-spangled bikini outfit with a yellow rope seriously? He doesn't take the Thing and sometimes the Hulk seriously...
After the first hit, hed fell the strength and take her seriously. You make it seem as if Namor is a fool when he fights. Yes hes arrogant, but he knows when an opponent is worthy enough of his time or not. ie: Spiderman.
Originally posted by Draco69
Ya.
❌ As much as i get on Thing about how hes always taking a beating, he does just that. No way that would ko him.
Originally posted by Draco69
He fears the lasso. Once the lasso gets around him, he'll FINALLY come out of the closet and admit he's the homosexual lover of Northstar. With those ears they were MADE for each other... 😆
That was low. Hes one of the biggest pimps in Marvel. I think WW pulls out the lasso if she gets in trouble. So in that case, yes she'll use it.
Originally posted by jrodslam
What the hell are tou talking about Drac? Sexist? Huh? I said she only had a slight advantage. Sex has nothing to do with it. Do you not agree that it was only a slight advantage or not?
I'm not referring to you. Just others who haven't grown up. Seriously. WW is regularly underestimated when it comes to men like THOR and HULK and HERCULES because they're men and most guys can't handle a strong woman being at the level of those guys in terms of strength.
And WW was owning Hercules.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Slightly the better. Too bad they werent longer huh?
Again. How? When Hercules pinned Diana he needed help and was clearly struggling to keep her in place. Diana on the other hand was nonsurplussed of pinning and wasn't even paying attention to his desperate struggles to get free.
Originally posted by jrodslam
After the first hit, hed fell the strength and take her seriously. You make it seem as if Namor is a fool when he fights. Yes hes arrogant, but he knows when an opponent is worthy enough of his time or not. ie: Spiderman.
Namor isn't a fool. But his arrogance and pride makes him do foolish things. And that's all advantage (in multitude of others) Diana needs to stomp him into the ground.
Originally posted by jrodslam
❌ As much as i get on Thing about how hes always taking a beating, he does just that. No way that would ko him.
Uh-uh. A near-Superman opponent hurtling towards him at near-lightspeed. I SERIOUSLY doubt the Thing wouldn't be at least blacked out. The energy and force of such a blow would be catastrophic.
Originally posted by jrodslam
That was low. Hes one of the biggest pimps in Marvel. I think WW pulls out the lasso if she gets in trouble. So in that case, yes she'll use it.
First off, Diana doesn't pull out the lasso like Batman pulls out his latest plot device when she's in trouble. She uses the lasso ALL THE TIME. Even against lowly bank robbers. Come on now...
And I firmly believe that Namor is gay. It's one of Marvel's biggest secrets. My gaydar goes off wildly everytime he appears on panel.
Originally posted by Draco69
The first official fight between JLA and Avengers should have ended in minutes. Especially with the Flash.But the writers was clearly favoring the Avengers (no surprises) because he made two of the JLA lose their powers. WHILE he gave Iron Man a Mother Box, Scarlet Witch crazy chaos magic and Photon GL energy.
Yeah pretty funny the only way the evened out was by depowering the JLA while giving the Avengers power ups. Does that mean that was the only way possible to pull off a win i think so.
Originally posted by Draco69
And WW was owning Hercules.
How. In the first fight she has 2 hits to his 1. No ownage at all.
Originally posted by Draco69
Again. How? When Hercules pinned Diana he needed help and was clearly struggling to keep her in place. Diana on the other hand was nonsurplussed of pinning and wasn't even paying attention to his desperate struggles to get free.
How do you figure he needed help? Wasp and Hank was flying around like a bug stinging people(Dinah and Cap.Atom). She was holding Herc and talking. So. That doesnt mean she had better of a hold than he did. He didnt have to tell anytone to stay back. Big deal.
Originally posted by Draco69
Namor isn't a fool. But his arrogance and pride makes him do foolish things. And that's all advantage (in multitude of others) Diana needs to stomp him into the ground.
Hardly. While in battle he rarely does foolish things. Its one of the things hes actually very focused at while doing.
Originally posted by Draco69
Uh-uh. A near-Superman opponent hurtling towards him at near-lightspeed. I SERIOUSLY doubt the Thing wouldn't be at least blacked out. The energy and force of such a blow would be catastrophic.
A bit dazed.
Originally posted by Draco69
First off, Diana doesn't pull out the lasso like Batman pulls out his latest plot device when she's in trouble. She uses the lasso ALL THE TIME. Even against lowly bank robbers. Come on now...
Thats the only way i see her getting the easy victory here.
Originally posted by Draco69
And I firmly believe that Namor is gay. It's one of Marvel's biggest secrets. My gaydar goes off wildly everytime he appears on panel.
Originally posted by jrodslam
How. In the first fight she has 2 hits to his 1. No ownage at all.
Hit from Hercules. WW's head gets merely tilted back. Hit from WW. Hercules gets thrown through a wall. I don't see how anyone could interpret this anyway differently...
Originally posted by jrodslam
How do you figure he needed help? Wasp and Hank was flying around like a bug stinging people(Dinah and Cap.Atom). She was holding Herc and talking. So. That doesnt mean she had better of a hold than he did. He didnt have to tell anytone to stay back. Big deal.
You're disregarding facial expressions. When Diana was pinning Hercules, He was grimacing and clearly trying his best to get out of her grip. Diana WHILE pinning him didn't show ANY sign of Hercules trying to break her grip and didn't even deem Hercules worthy of attention when he was struggling.
When Hercules pinned WW. Hercules was againing grimacing and trying his best to keep HER pinned. WW was attempting to break his grip but obviously having your face stung repeatedly by Yellowjacket and Wasp wasn't helping matters. In the next panel (very small figure) WW clearly broke the grip and Hercules WAS gonna go back to try and fight WW but he got distracted by Thor's defeat.
Judging by both fights. WW was clearly the superior opponent.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Hardly. While in battle he rarely does foolish things. Its one of the things hes actually very focused at while doing.
I disagree. His record is kinda spotty when it comes to this avenue.
Originally posted by jrodslam
A bit dazed.
More likely in bits and pieces.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Thats the only way i see her getting the easy victory here.
That or a speedblitz. Or a tiara throw. Or....
Originally posted by jrodslam
Bah!
Now, now. All gays went grundge one time or another back in the nineties...
Originally posted by Draco69
Hit from Hercules. WW's head gets merely tilted back. Hit from WW. Hercules gets thrown through a wall. I don't see how anyone could interpret this anyway differently...
First hit from WW, Herc leans back. Hit from Herc, WW leaves lifts off the ground. Did you forget that one?
Originally posted by Draco69
You're disregarding facial expressions. When Diana was pinning Hercules, He was grimacing and clearly trying his best to get out of her grip. Diana WHILE pinning him didn't show ANY sign of Hercules trying to break her grip and didn't even deem Hercules worthy of attention when he was struggling.
Of course it wouldnt be much to hold him down. She had Herc in a BOSTON CRAB. Thus most of her weight was on him. It would be nothing for her to talk while sitting on top of him. 😆
Originally posted by Draco69
When Hercules pinned WW. Hercules was againing grimacing and trying his best to keep HER pinned. WW was attempting to break his grip but obviously having your face stung repeatedly by Yellowjacket and Wasp wasn't helping matters. In the next panel (very small figure) WW clearly broke the grip and Hercules WAS gonna go back to try and fight WW but he got distracted by Thor's defeat.
Now. Hercules didnt have WW pinned. They were both standing therefore he didnt have the leverage as she did. It was alot easier for her to struggle than it was for him who was in a boston crab. Clearly you see that. And NO WW did not break the hold. It was clear that Herc let her go and turned his attention to Thor getting pummeled. Herc wasnt gonna go back to fight her. When he saw what was happening, he went fight for Supes. WW was still fighting Wasp and Hank whiile they were jumping Supes, so its clear that youre mistaken on that part.
Originally posted by Draco69
I disagree. His record is kinda spotty when it comes to this avenue.
Really? Against who? Hulk? Hercules? Thor? Doom? Surfer? Cap? Thing? Who?
Originally posted by Draco69
That or a speedblitz. Or a tiara throw. Or....
Lasso.
Now, now. All gays went grundge one time or another back in the nineties... [/B][/QUOTE]
😆 At least Namor doesnt come from a place where its all one race ehh? Hmmm. And you say Namor may be gay? All the Amazons are gay. Not that theres anything wrong being gay ofcourse. 🙂
Originally posted by jrodslam
First hit from WW, Herc leans back. Hit from Herc, WW leaves lifts off the ground. Did you forget that one?
Um. No. She was HOVERING. Not lifted off the ground. He hit her horizontally. If she was "lifted of the ground" we would see an art effect to show that. But she was HOVERING. And still hovering when she returned the punch.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Of course it wouldnt be much to hold him down. She had Herc in a BOSTON CRAB. Thus most of her weight was on him. It would be nothing for her to talk while sitting on top of him. 😆
Boston Crab, or not. For god's sake she weighs at most 120 pounds. Considering Hercules' strength, her weight shouldn't have been a problem. Her superior STRENGTH was.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Now. Hercules didnt have WW pinned. They were both standing therefore he didnt have the leverage as she did. It was alot easier for her to struggle than it was for him who was in a boston crab. Clearly you see that. And NO WW did not break the hold. It was clear that Herc let her go and turned his attention to Thor getting pummeled. Herc wasnt gonna go back to fight her. When he saw what was happening, he went fight for Supes. WW was still fighting Wasp and Hank whiile they were jumping Supes, so its clear that youre mistaken on that part.
Hercules had her pinned in another position. I admit I'm not knowledgable in pins or havenots but he clearly had her in a bind. As I said a boston crab shouldn't be difficult to get out of when WW only wears slightly over 100 pounds. Her STRENGTH kept him down. WW DID break the hold because in the next panel (hard to see, in the background) we see Hercules get thrown back. Hercules was running towards WW but Thor's defeat changed his mind. WW after breaking Hercules' grip focused on Wasp and Giant-Man with Giant-Man getting pummeled into a tree and unfortunately Wasp's massive jobber aura makes her impossible to get hit...
Originally posted by jrodslam
Really? Against who? Hulk? Hercules? Thor? Doom? Surfer? Cap? Thing? Who?
Hulk. Sometimes. One fight with Thor. And alot of battles with Thing and Torch.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Lasso.
And tiara. And Lansinar tech. And godwave. And sword. And speed.
Originally posted by jrodslam
😆 At least Namor doesnt come from a place where its all one race ehh? Hmmm. And you say Namor may be gay? All the Amazons are gay. Not that theres anything wrong being gay ofcourse. 🙂
Amazons are completely gay. Some of them are lesbians, yes. But most are celibate women who have rather play swords than...you know.
Namor is gay. Accept it. He clearly hasn't. For god's sake, with his outfit he would feel complete at home during the White Party.
Originally posted by Draco69
Um. No. She was HOVERING. Not lifted off the ground. He hit her horizontally. If she was "lifted of the ground" we would see an art effect to show that. But she was HOVERING. And still hovering when she returned the punch.
She wasnt hovering when she came in with Aquaman. Nor was she hovering when she first hit him. Yet she decides to hover right before Herc hits her? I dont think so. Hercs punch got her in the air. She recovered in the air and hit, got her balance and hit him.
Originally posted by Draco69
Boston Crab, or not. For god's sake she weighs at most 120 pounds. Considering Hercules' strength, her weight shouldn't have been a problem. Her superior STRENGTH was.
She weights 165 and her weight doesnt matter. She applied it and used her strength to bend his whole upper body. He was usiong his hands to try and get her off, which means that they werent used to get up. Thats why he couldnt. If he did, he would have been choked out.
Originally posted by Draco69
Hercules had her pinned in another position. I admit I'm not knowledgable in pins or havenots but he clearly had her in a bind. As I said a boston crab shouldn't be difficult to get out of when WW only wears slightly over 100 pounds. Her STRENGTH kept him down.
No he didnt have her pinned. They were standing up when he had her in the full nelson. He struggled more because she had more leverage to struggle where he did not. It doesnt matter how much she weighs, because she had him in a choking position. He ws using his arms to losen the grip. Once again shes 165 which wouldnt play a factor if being choked out. 😄
Originally posted by Draco69
WW DID break the hold because in the next panel (hard to see, in the background) we see Hercules get thrown back. Hercules was running towards WW but Thor's defeat changed his mind. WW after breaking Hercules' grip focused on Wasp and Giant-Man with Giant-Man getting pummeled into a tree and unfortunately Wasp's massive jobber aura makes her impossible to get hit...
NO NO NO. She did not break the hold. When Superman hit Thor, Herc let go and said "HM?"and turned hit attention. He Giant Man hit WW at that time. Next page Avengers were about to jump Supes and Herc(who was already facing Supes at the time) said "Not to him!". He along with the others jumped Supes.
Wonder Woman was still fighting Wasp and Hank. They show her and she says "Hera!" while Herc along with the others beat Supes. She never broke out. Herc let go.
Originally posted by Draco69
Hulk. Sometimes. One fight with Thor. And alot of battles with Thing and Torch.
Hulk sometimes? Hes always serious when fighting Hulk, Thor, Herc or anyone worthy. He talks extra shit to Thing because hes always whooping that ass. Hes very serious when fighting. I dont know where you hear otherwise. 😕
Originally posted by Draco69
And tiara. And Lansinar tech. And godwave. And sword. And speed.
And Namor gets Atlantean tech, trident and armor.
Originally posted by Draco69
Namor is gay. Accept it. He clearly hasn't. For god's sake, with his outfit he would feel complete at home during the White Party.
😆 Youre probably one of those people who are just mad cause hes better than Aquaman.
"WW was clearly the better in both fights. Why people dance around this issue is beyond me"
Cleary better in the first. What did you saw happening in the second to tell she was better.
"I'm not referring to you. Just others who haven't grown up. Seriously. WW is regularly underestimated when it comes to men like THOR and HULK and HERCULES because they're men and most guys can't handle a strong woman being at the level of those guys in terms of strength.
And WW was owning Hercules."
With all due respect Draco, thats Bull. The reason I get her below those guys strenghtwise its because she doesnt have high feats on her own to call her better than they are.
And the high end feats she does have are always with - help- and even failing in at least one.
"Again. How? When Hercules pinned Diana he needed help and was clearly struggling to keep her in place. Diana on the other hand was nonsurplussed of pinning and wasn't even paying attention to his desperate struggles to get free."
Provide proof he needed help. Did you saw any panel showing Herc going to her -while- the Pyms wer distracting her? I didnt.
The panel showed her - already - being restrained when they wer doing it.
She sure looked to have an easy time to get free herself in that second round.
"When Hercules pinned WW. Hercules was againing grimacing and trying his best to keep HER pinned. WW was attempting to break his grip but obviously having your face stung repeatedly by Yellowjacket and Wasp wasn't helping matters."
Draco are you even really trying to say that her facial expression showed more concern with the fragging -Pyms- instead of someone who strenghtwise even still depowered its still close to her level? Cmon.
"Boston Crab, or not. For god's sake she weighs at most 120 pounds. Considering Hercules' strength, her weight shouldn't have been a problem. Her superior STRENGTH was."
Ther struggle like any other in comics has nothing to do with how much someone weighs. Hes hella strong, shes hella strong. Easy as cake.
"Hercules had her pinned in another position"
She had him in a choke hold and he had her in a full nelson.
"Hercs punch got her in the air. She recovered in the air and hit, got her balance and hit him."
Lets put it this way. They all hovered then.
"She did not break the hold. When Superman hit Thor, Herc let go and said "HM?"and turned hit attention"
Or trew her to the mighty pyms so they could have a ball. And punk Superman after.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Namor is not gay! (Not that there is really anything wrong with it)He's beat off three of the Fantastic Four just to get it on with Sue Storm!
He's had dozens of womans!
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He's BEAT OFF three of the Fantastic Four just to get it on with Sue Storm!
I'm not sure that supports your arguement the way you intended it to...
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Wonder Woman
has Held a bridge up with thousands of poeple and hundreds of cars and trucks and semi's on it. She has sustained punches from Superman, Captain marvel, Darkseid, Doomsday, and The juggernaut. SHe has three very indestructible weapons. Two of which when crossed are stronger than any force field ever could be. She also has speed from the God of speed. SHe has a trained eye and skill from the Godess of the hunt. She is the best Amazon ever who can fight batman to a standstill if she were Powerless. She can use her lasso as an offensive weapon for ranged attacks as well as a conduit for her telepathy. SHe also has a ranged weapon in her tiara which has cut thru brick ( the thing) and cheetah's tail. The two of them are way out classed. This thread was obviously put up by a Marvel fanboy. Now had you said Thor and Herculese or Binary and she-hulk, I might have given it to marvel. But then that woudl have been over kill.
