Originally posted by Adam Warlock
I remembered a scan of Deathstroke fighting WW waaaayyy back. Back somewhere in March or February. The Lasso simply fell off him. deathstroke held his own for little while, but was eventually KO'd.
AW. Come on now. You should know by now that Deathstroke has a jobber aura that rivals Batman...
Besides Deathstroke said he was immune to magic. Which is not true since Raven has consistently kaboshed his ass with her her own magic.
The writer of that time was trying to make WW more like the Lynda Carter version. And he was fired promptly because fans didn't like what he was doing to her power set.
He DID improve her character personality development though...
Originally posted by the Darkone
Thor would own Wonder Woman, thor is stronger,better stamina, more durable, and a better fighter and he is much older than she is. Thor has survive plantery explosions with out a scrathed fought cosmic gods skyfathers, not saying Wonder Woman is a push over by no means, her fighting thor in h2h combat will be a long fight but she will be outclass all the way. Thor fought Zeus for months with out stopping and wonder woman durable is good but not great.
This a battle that could go either way. WW has the cajones to counter alot of his attacks and vice versa.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Good points all around. The reason I brought up the test equipment is to illustrate that speedball can hit with at MINIMUM 100 tons of force with ZERO effort. (since the machine took an 80 ton hit and was still standing) Diana IS tough, but speedball DOES have the raw power to hurt her.
But it doesn't prove the upper limits of his strength. Again an 80 ton hit isn't much to Diana. She regularly trades blows with beings that have unimaginable strength. And of course recently she's taken a blow that would have KOed even some cosmic beings but she merely blacked out for a few seconds. I'm very unconvinced Speedy can hurt her. Unless you have a scan of hurting someone on her level.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Speedy's field doesn't have any known limits. To the best of my knowledge, he's never been physically hurt by anyone other than Gideon. (who copied his powers to do so) His earliest appearances had him being intentionally hit by speeding trains just to activate his powers (and being knocked from connecticut to new york in the process as means of transportation) and he's only gotten stronger since then.
Again. This doesn't prove Speedball can survive a sublight speedblitz by a being who's strength is up there with Thor and Superman. Stopping trains isn't much a feat. If you have a proof that he survived an assault equivalent to what I am arguing...
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Sheer force has never been enough to put speedball down. Its debatable whether you can even touch him, since that field is always active. Granted, he's kind of obscure so there arent many showings.
Exactly. Seriously, unfortunately the New Warriors haven't faced many powerful foes THUS we cannot assume that Speedy has the cajones to either hurt or withstand attacks from WW.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Wonder woman's bracelets can deflect a hell of a lot, but not ALL of those bubbles at once. Isn't the reason she deflects bullets because a great enough force over a small area will penetrate her skin?
Yes. They can. When crossed. Diana managed to deflect the entire Greek Pantheon (which includes several Skyfather beings) putting ALL their energy into one giant attack and threw at Diana. Her bracelets not only survived but deflected the attack which was quote "infinite power" but also left her completely unharmed. She also managed to deflect several blows from Cronus (Zeus's father) who wielded a weapon powerful enough to kill angels themselves even in Heaven where they are nearly omnipotent. And Cronus using the Axe had the sum totality of the Godwave. The forcefield is omnidirectional and from what I have just mentioned damn near impentreable.
So I SERIOUSLY doubt they can go through her bracelets.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Speedball can also drain kinetic energy from other objects i.e. flash, and put up forcefields. I'm aware of Diana's fight vs. Zoom, but Zoom CANT do that, since his powers are different than the flash. There goes diana's speed advantage. , and its a fair bet he can stop the lasso given enough control over his powers.
Again. You don't understand the nature of Diana's powers. Unlike Hulk or Superman or Thor, her powers are not physical. She's human WITH magical abilities. Her magical abilities allow her to cede the laws of physics since well...magic. Unfortunately draining kinetic energy ain't gonna work because Jesse Quick (gone crazy from her mommy issues) tried the same thing (repeatedly) with no effect. Why? Diana said "Hermes himself have granted me his speed, no one can take it away from me. Not even you Jesse". Diana STILL could move AND still had her superspeed that allowed her to follow Jesse into the warp that led to the Speed Force (which is a VERY high feat because you have to be VERY fast to do this). So I doubt Speedy's tricks will work because Diana's powers are magical in essence and do not abide the laws of physics. Much like Thor's hammer.
Also. You're assuming that Speedball can somehow react to Diana enough to lock on to her and attack or drain. Which is HIGHLY unlikely because she'll be practically invisible and coming at him from every damn direction. By the time he even realizes his opponent has superspeed and even tries to lock on to his target she'll already be somewhere else than where he THINKS she is. This girl can go at sublightspeeds. I highly doubt Speedball can react to her. She'll be going so fast she might as well not exist to him.
Again. About the lasso. Skyfather beings have tried and failed to deflect the lasso. Get out of the lasso. Or stupidly enough destroy the lasso. ALL have failed. Even beings like the Spectre or 5D Imps. I HIGHLY doubt Speedball can deflect the lasso or prevent it from simply wrapping around him when it's magic is so potent it holds reality itself together...
Originally posted by Space M ummy
given enough time she might think of something, but a straight up brawl against this kind of character wont work.
Which you haven't proven. You've only shown low-end (high-end to Speedball but to WW?) feats that are nothing but speculation. He COULD. That's the sum totality of your arguement. You don't have enough evidence he can buffer such a dangerous assault from WW nor can you prove he's powerful enough to put a dent in her.
Originally posted by Draco69
Eh. I'm laughing at the thought of WW turning his own goddamn fish against him. 😆
Can she control animals? Telepathically or speaking with them? Speaking would cause a funny situation...
"Damnit! I am Imperious Rex! Your KING! OBEY ME!"
"But she asks it so much nicer..."
Namor has degree of telepathy too, you know, he can talk with sea life telepathically. But it's not controlling...more like simple communication.
Originally posted by Draco69
A bit of both. She's basically like Snow White. All animals have this weird love for her that'll they'll do anything she wants them to do.She's even controlled a herd of T-Rexs where they became an army for her. It was kinda funny because she managed to get them to attack in flanks...
Ah, yes I found something about it.
The goddess of the hunt bestowed upon Diana her hunter's instincts and abilities. The Eye of the Hunter. This gives her those abilities that a hunter tends to rely on the most...their senses. Artemis gifted her with superior keen senses that can seem almost superhuman. Where most humans would be lost and not detect the subtle things around them, Diana can. She can pick out voices and sounds in a crowd or the barest of noises in a quiet forest such as a person or animal breathing or the crackling of a leaf. She can see in extremely low light where most others would be lost in the darkness. She can also pick up on scents that are so subtle they'd be lost to most others. If the scent is strong enough or recent enough, she can even track it to its source as long as it is still evident.Artemis also gifted her with something else most 'hunters' perhaps wish they had...a fellowship with animals. Animals naturally gravitate to the avatar of the gods and even the most ferocious and wild of them find themselves calm in her presence unless otherwise influenced by unnatural means. She can also communicate with animals and has a rapport with them where when she speaks, they listen. And vice versa as she can read their body language and meaning within simple gestures that are used to communicate between all manners of beasts.
Iron Man
i still say his sonics could put her down
Wonder Woman can lift about 68,000 tons. That is no joke. She has held a bridge with hundreds of cars and trucks on it. The bridge itself was beyond measure. And she has survived a blast from an alien nuclear blast. Dead in the chest. Her braclets when crossed can project the indestructible aegis shield of zeus. Here are the only marvel characters worthy of a battle with wonder woman, Gladiator, drax the destroyer, thor, genis, sentry, Binary, and zenith. and maybe black bolt.
-black bolt's scream is probly in the top 5 most destructive forces in all of comics, so yea, i'd say he could beat WW.
-gladiator's a superman clone, so he'd whup WW just like Supes.
-drax has the abilities to beat WW, but he's very dumb, this would be a good fight since in strength and durability Drax >>>>>>>> WW but in intelligance and fighting skills WW >>>>>>>>> Drax while their about equal with everything else. Drax i think would eventually win tho.
-Thor vs WW, well, this has been done as a thread many times, just go look it up. Yea, Thor'd beat her pretty bad.
-Genis vs WW? That's just NOT fair. Genis, in less than 3 blasts, hell, if she got him pissed off enough to make him go all out, he'd just unleash a universe destroying blast that'd kill her, and everything else.
-Sentry vs WW? same exact scenario as Genis vs WW.
-Binary's almost Skyfather-level! she'd kill WW in about 10 seconds.
(Dont know who Zenith is)
I don't know what comics you people read. You all really believe that Dc's second strongest hero would be so easily beat by so many marvel People. WW can cross her bracelets and NOTHING can get thru that field. It is the shield of zeus for pete's sake. She is very very fast and very strong. she is like combining the fighting skills of wolverine, batman and captain america into a being with thor/ superman strength. NOt to mention a magic lasso that CANNOT be broken. ANd she is a telepath. Few people know that she uses the lasso as a focus for her power. She has dived into molten rock and steel. survived a nuclear blast. No female character in Marvel has ever commanded that type of combination of skills and power. not even in marvel. Her best match is thor. And if you say king thor, then I say Goddess DIANA. And the greek Gods are immortal.
