Who in Marvel can beat Wonder Woman one on one no outside help from anyone...

A concentrated stream of bubbles from speedball in new warriors 1 devastated Terrax's physical form. (Terrax rebuilt himself by using the earth later in the ish) and this was BEFORE he gained any control over his powers.

Speedball hits hard as hell. definitely hard enough to hurt wonder woman, while her strength does nothing to him. I don't think he's ever been knocked out except by gideon, who copied his powers.

The lasso may be magic, but the bubbles are concentrated force. it'd be like throwing the lasso against a wall.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
A concentrated stream of bubbles from speedball in new warriors 1 devastated Terrax's physical form. (Terrax rebuilt himself by using the earth later in the ish) and this was BEFORE he gained any control over his powers.

Speedball hits hard as hell. definitely hard enough to hurt wonder woman, while her strength does nothing to him. I don't think he's ever been knocked out except by gideon, who copied his powers.

The lasso may be magic, but the bubbles are concentrated force. it'd be like throwing the lasso against a wall.

Interesting. However she doesn't need to throw the lasso. She just use her vastly superior speed to wrap him up before he can react.

Never knew Speedball was this powerful. Must be the haircut. I liked it when he cut it short in the very short-lived New Warriors comic in the late nineties.

Again. How can Speedball hurt Wonder Woman? He may get a few blows in but not many. Diana eventually will get his number. And avoid any of his attacks or simply deflect it.

Speedball is concentrated kinetic energy. like I said, he destroyed equipment meant to test both rage and namorita's maximum power levels, EFFORTLESSLY, and they're class 60-80.

any force directed at him bounces off, or is stopped dead by the bubbles, depending on what he wants to do. (and the writer, of course, his control varies pretty widely depending on whos writing him and when)

He has the ability to release those bubbles like a blast of energy also. He attacked (and destroyed?) his doppleganger this way during infinity war.

He's one of those weird characters that's bizarrely powerful. He went from "guy who bounces" to insane control over kinetic energy. you could hurt him via mental attack or draining his powers, but speedblitz wouldnt do much of anything.

its debatable whether the lasso would reach him, since he can use the bubbles as a kinetic shield.

**edit** here we go. from wikipedia but its the best description of his powers I could find.

When he's in 'Speedball mode,' any impact against him causes him to bounce instead of harming him. He can also harness this energy and direct it more forcefully, or alternately use it as a bubble / shield to protect others, catch others, and even stop moving objects, like bullets, in mid-air.

more detailed history, etc at

http://www.marveldatabase.com/wiki/index.php/Speedball

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Speedball is concentrated kinetic energy. like I said, he destroyed equipment meant to test both rage and namorita's maximum power levels, EFFORTLESSLY, and they're class 60-80.

Not very convincing. I mean Diana's in Thor and Superman's league. Rage and Namorita plus equipment to test their feeble (compared to WW) lifting weight isn't a paramount to your arguement. If you got something like reflecting Thor's hammer or something...

This doesn't prove he'll put a dent in WW ESPECIALLY with her bracelets and vastly superior speed to dodge any unnecessary damage. It takes ALOT to put down WW. I just don't think Speedy has the works for it...

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Any force directed at him bounces off, or is stopped dead by the bubbles, depending on what he wants to do. (and the writer, of course, his control varies pretty widely depending on whos writing him and when)

But does it have limits? Has Speedball have a really end feat where he reflects a very powerful force?

And it won't stop a Godwave blast or simply whirling around at sublight speeds with the lasso until he's a proverbial Christmas present.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
He has the ability to release those bubbles like a blast of energy also. He attacked (and destroyed?) his doppleganger this way during infinity war.

Again. Bracelets. Or vambraces as I like to call them. 😛

Originally posted by Space M ummy
He's one of those weird characters that's bizarrely powerful. He went from "guy who bounces" to insane control over kinetic energy.

He sounds very cool. Too bad he's stuck behind the enormous shadow of Wolverine, God of Marvel. 🙁

Originally posted by Space M ummy
you could hurt him via mental attack or draining his powers, but speedblitz wouldnt do much of anything.

Again. Debatable. Does he have limits. I have doubts he can somehow deflect several thousand even million near-Superman level blows at sublightspeeds from every direction. Not to mention lasso cracks, tiara throws, or sword swings ALL of which are magical and not bound to the laws of physics. Hell the goddamn sword can cut through electrons off an atom. That's magic for ya.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
ts debatable whether the lasso would reach him, since he can use the bubbles as a kinetic shield.

Like I said, it doesn't have to thrown. It can be used a proverbial wrapping paper. And unfortunately kinetic energy has a bad track record with the lasso. Especially with the likes of Flash, Zoom, etc. I'm just saying if she can manage to lasso Skyfather-level characters WITH shields in place I have serious doubts his bubbles can stop it. It's not just a piece of rope.

is ww immune to telepthic powers still?

Hmm... was she really immune to telepathic powers as a whole or more rather mind control. If she was hit with a psi-blast would it do nothing, and can her mind not be read?

She's ALWAYS been immune to it. Due to Hestia's gifts. Hector Hammond tried and failed using his telepathy on her and got a massive backlash. But unfortunately the popularity of JLA and other comics overshadowed this immunity. And everyone kinda forgot about it. Especially with White Martians running about.

Martian Manhunter tried to scan her mind a very long while a back when she first showed up on the scene and literally had his mind FRIED because of Hestia's FIRE in her mind. She wields the FIRES of Truth after all.

Good points all around. The reason I brought up the test equipment is to illustrate that speedball can hit with at MINIMUM 100 tons of force with ZERO effort. (since the machine took an 80 ton hit and was still standing) Diana IS tough, but speedball DOES have the raw power to hurt her.

Speedy's field doesn't have any known limits. To the best of my knowledge, he's never been physically hurt by anyone other than Gideon. (who copied his powers to do so) His earliest appearances had him being intentionally hit by speeding trains just to activate his powers (and being knocked from connecticut to new york in the process as means of transportation) and he's only gotten stronger since then.

Sheer force has never been enough to put speedball down. Its debatable whether you can even touch him, since that field is always active. Granted, he's kind of obscure so there arent many showings.

Wonder woman's bracelets can deflect a hell of a lot, but not ALL of those bubbles at once. Isn't the reason she deflects bullets because a great enough force over a small area will penetrate her skin?

Speedball can also drain kinetic energy from other objects i.e. flash, and put up forcefields. I'm aware of Diana's fight vs. Zoom, but Zoom CANT do that, since his powers are different than the flash. There goes diana's speed advantage. , and its a fair bet he can stop the lasso given enough control over his powers.

given enough time she might think of something, but a straight up brawl against this kind of character wont work.

damn, i go away for a couple years and suddenly i have to respect speedball . . .

nice info mummy. i love learning something new on the forum 😉

Originally posted by Draco69
She's ALWAYS been immune to it. Due to Hestia's gifts. Hector Hammond tried and failed using his telepathy on her and got a massive backlash. But unfortunately the popularity of JLA and other comics overshadowed this immunity. And everyone kinda forgot about it. Especially with White Martians running about.

Martian Manhunter tried to scan her mind a very long while a back when she first showed up on the scene and literally had his mind FRIED because of Hestia's FIRE in her mind. She wields the FIRES of Truth after all.

oh, and i guess that wipes out the odds of all the mind witches marvel has out there . . . 😱

Nate Grey will mess her up.

how? she can deflect his telekinetic shots, and his psi powers won't work. he could create some armor to fight her h2h but she'd have the advantage, and once he was in the lasso, he'd be f'd.

Originally posted by leonidas
how? she can deflect his telekinetic shots, and his psi powers won't work. he could create some armor to fight her h2h but she'd have the advantage, and once he was in the lasso, he'd be f'd.

X-man > MM

Tearing her limbs off telekinetically will put a damper on anyone's day.

Immune against telepathy, not telekinesis or psychokinesis.

Tap into the enormous psychic resources of the astral plane in order to manipulate matter and energy, manifesting hard-psi to:
- levitate and direct physical objects
- fire mental force bolts
- cause violent explosive reactions in matter
- fly through the air
- shield himself and others from attack
- increase the physical power of his blows
- flow his molecules through another solid object to become intangible

and soft-psi to:
- scan for brain wave patterns
- project and manipulate thoughts
- intuitively translate new languages
- forge psi-links to travel in astral form
- generate realistic illusions out of psi-plasm
- establish mental defenses against new psionic attacks
- give substance to astral energy to solidify psychic forms or forge protective psi-armor

Wouldn't she still speedblitz him though?

Can she break his shields? I suppose she could, but if he was serious it'll be over quick.

Magneto pwns her. Especially since she's wearing metal.

Hulk would take her too. I can see her lassoing him with a grin on her face, only to see him flex and snap her precious toy. Then she'll probably charge in all pissed and start working him from the inside... left, right, jab, jab, uppercut, left !!!! Suddenly she finds herself in the bearhug to end all bearhugs! Her boobies are all getting squished n' stuff and she looks up as the vein on her forehead is coming near to bursting. Her feet are flaying wildly looking for leverege but it's no use, she's dangling several feet in the air. She begins to knee him in the side with everything she has but it only causes the beast to squeeze even harder... her blood vessels in her eyes begin to burst.. her lungs are on fire.. needs to breathe... he feels her squirming. HARDER he squeezes! Crack! CrrrrACK! Her ribs begin to pop and one punctures her lung. "Is this the way it's going to end for me? Mama... please make him stop.... mama!!!" The excitement is too much for the emerald savage as he opens up his mouth and bites into her pretty face. Terror rips through her mind as her nose is severed and splinters of bone break through teh roof of her mouth. "GoOgd.. ghelllppmeee!! gag.. cough." Hearing this the beast becomes arroused.. haha I'll stop there.

You should have stopped after the whole breaking the lasso thing.

Why? Hulk doesn't have a gallery of abilities like some charcters but he does have strength 🙂