Originally posted by PVS
some will argue that, but i agree fully.bail tells the jedi that leia will be loved thus having attachment and obiwan nods with approval.
yoda decides that luke will be sent to tattooine, to live with his family...
according to the code, thats the absolute wrong thing to do. according to the code it would have made far more sense for the twins to not have attachment and be raised by either yoda or obiwan and trained asap.
which leads to the next breaking of the jedi code: training an adult
obviously, yoda felt the code needed revision
No, that's not true!
When will people remember- LOVE is not forbidden!
It's selfish attachment that is a problem, and they never developed that. And their training was to wait until the correct time.
The Code remains absolutely intact. It has, after all, been designed by the wisest people in the Galaxy over millennia.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
When will people remember- LOVE is not forbidden!
we are talking about family attachment.
in the old order, children are separated from their parents
for the sole purpose of avoiding any attachment. so why
would that change all of the sudden?
the code was for the jedi to be trained and conditioned from the time they are babies. luke and leia grow up with no training.
and yes ush, han and leia were to get married. ep5 and 6 couldnt be more blatent with that fact. a jedi was to be married.
and so help me god, if i EVER meet GL i will get him to declare the obvious and record it, and send you the recording.
han and leia were to be married.
jedi are forbidden from such attachments.
the code was to be broken. deny what ever else i say,
but you cant deny that.
the code was revised 🙂
Originally posted by PVS
some will argue that, but i agree fully.bail tells the jedi that leia will be loved thus having attachment and obiwan nods with approval.
yoda decides that luke will be sent to tattooine, to live with his family...
according to the code, thats the absolute wrong thing to do. according to the code it would have made far more sense for the twins to not have attachment and be raised by either yoda or obiwan and trained asap.
which leads to the next breaking of the jedi code: training an adult
obviously, yoda felt the code needed revision
This is true, but of course Yoda can't raise a baby, when proper aged they should've become personal padawan's of both. But of course Lucas couldn't have thought about that when he made the OT, but it is another reason why Lucas shouldn't have put the birth and death scene in ROTS.
Damn Lucas!! 💃 💃 💃
Originally posted by steverules
If they are taken away from their parents why did qui gon try and free annies mother, or was he gonna free her and leave her on tatooine.
Because he is the rebel.
Actually the code was a good rule, jedi shouldn't know their parents, it will only lead to suffering eventually and lead to the dark side as Yoda predicted.
Originally posted by PVS
its hinted...well stated many times that the will of the force guides one's destiny. it was that will that drew the jedi to mos espa.
it was destiny.i mean, by you're logic we should blame dooku, since he trained quigon, not to mention that he prompted anakin to seek revenge on him, accelerating his turn to the darkside...but then yoda trained dooku, ...so its HIS fault. and what of shmi who just HAD to pick mushrooms when there were sand people about...which of coarse began anakins fall by seeing her die...so its SHMI'S FAULT.
its a pointless debate
And then there's the guy who trained Yoda, and Shmi's parents for having her. Don't forget Watto, who let Cliegg Lars buy her and set her free, and you can in turn blame their parents, and their parents' parents, and just about everyone in their race to begin with...
What are we talking about? 😑
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Had Qui Gon lived, he would have trained Anakin right WITH the respect he deserved hence Anakin remaining the most powerful JEDI in the galaxy. Think about it, he was the first one to discover becoming one with the force and appearing as a ghost, although we didnt get the chance to see it 🙁.
I doubt that. Qui-Gon wouldn't have done better then Obi-Wan because Qui-Gon was just as strict on Obi as Obi was on Ani.
Re: Qui Gon... Guilty!!!
Originally posted by Mstr GEKA
Looking at the movies as a whole...Dunno if this has been discussed already but.. IMO Qui Gon is responsible for all the trouble...
He is the one that rescued JAR JAR and we know what jar jar is responsible of both in and for the movie...
He also stood strong on the point that Anakin had to be trained... training that turned against the Jedi.
And who was Qui Gon's master??
Originally posted by bobcrickett
If you think about it, if Palpatine did not get the emergency powers, the Republic would have been demolished, and Palpatine would have just gotten power that way.
No. That is a really big misconception. nono
Palpatine needed the whole republic and it's power, he couldn't just destroy it and build it up again. If the republic's political power had crumbled, then Sidious really had to force a universal political lawsystem to dictate the whole universe and the resistance to that would have been a million times bigger than shown in the OT.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
No, that's not true!When will people remember- LOVE is not forbidden!
It's selfish attachment that is a problem, and they never developed that. And their training was to wait until the correct time.
The Code remains absolutely intact. It has, after all, been designed by the wisest people in the Galaxy over millennia.
No offence, but I disagree. The code was flawed and that is why the Force became unbalanced. The Sith evolved and the Jedi didn't.
In the novel, Yoda says that the old way isn't the only one and the Jedi needed to change. Before anyone says EU, consider what happens in the movie. Yoda approves of Luke and Leia having a 'normal' upbringing because he realises at last that having attachments is not a bad thing and will not automatically lead to evil.
The 'no attachment' thing has always struck me as off. In real-life people have attachments and that doesn't mean they are incapable of letting go. If someone is in love and their partner passes away, they grieve certainly, but they can and do move on.
The code is what led to the Jedis' downfall because it kept them from changing. This is shown in the movie.
It was PADME's fault! Is was she who called for a vote of no confidence on Chancellor Valorum, paving the way for Palpatine to become supreme chancellor. You see palp's simmering smile when she makes the call.
But she too was manipulated by Palpatine. In fact if she hadn't called for Valorum's ouster, she still could have fought the trade fed boys alone anyway. And she beat them. So she had no need to oust Valorum, she was her strongest supporter.