Tournament: The "Other" Match

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Ha! I can absorb your blasts and/or counter them with my own until the cows come home. Thank's to my prescience and even greater speed I'll be able to tag you coming out of a 'port just like I did to Deacon in the last bout.

Also, I've been looking around, and none of the sites I'm seeing (incuding yours) say anything about that sword actually absorbing energy. You're gonna have to somehow prove that little tidbit before we can continue in that vein.

Godlike seems to be one of those characters which make even omega level heroes shit their undies.

Originally posted by Khellendros
GReater speed my ass. You have a scan of your guy blocking a couple shots with his sword, I have scans of my guy moving his whole body out of the way of shots at point blank.

If you'd been paying attention, you'd have seen Vanth evade point-plank shots four times in the second scan I posted on page two. What should really be telling is that Dreadstar is my slowest guy, while Midnighter is your fastest. 😈

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Also, I've been looking around, and none of the sites I'm seeing (incuding yours) say anything about that sword actually absorbing energy. You're gonna have to somehow prove that little tidbit before we can continue in that vein. [/B]

Khell, you wound me. This isn't Zachrivard you're facing. I have the entire Starlin run of Dreadstar comics from Epic and First, the stand-alone graphic novels from Epic and Eclipse, about half the Peter David First issues, and Peter David miniseries from Bravura from the 90's. I won't have time for more scanning until tomorrow evening but rest assured, you'll get all the proof you need.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Khell, you wound me.

he wounds you... i'll just decapitate you

😈

i vote for khell

Originally posted by Scoobless
he wounds you... i'll just decapitate you

😈

Never happen.

Seriously, tomorrow night I'm dropping the Dreadstar Scan Bomb.

Just wait and see.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Never happen.

Seriously, tomorrow night I'm dropping the Dreadstar Scan Bomb.

Just wait and see.

Originally posted by Scoobless
he wounds you... i'll just decapitate you

😈

Good luck. Especially after he parries and absorbs your lightsaber. His sword gets more powerful the more energy it absorbs.

Leto crawls 50 meters with 'a few swimming motions". He runs so fast that his feet, covered in bulletproof skin, begin to burn. He jumps stright up for 15 meters. Even better scenarion: GODLIKE goes Hulk style and jumps on Cyborg. Precog nullified, SC is cut in half by a chop from the lower atmosphere. (hey, Hulk jumps that high when calm... which is right around class 100)

Moving on to Grailnighter...

Have you proven that your chi field disintegrates anything really spectacular? Once again, the sword absorbs energy. Your field shouldn't be much different, every time he hits it, you get a little bit slower and weaker. You go for wide angle blasts, he counters with blasts of the same size. You port behind him, he has precog. Up close, he's many times stronger, faster, and more skilled. Lady Jessica, Leto's grandma, reversed a hold and pinned a guy before he could react. The people there thought she did it by magic, because they COULD NOT SEE how she was pinned one instant, and on top of the guy in the next. This is Bene Gesserit martial arts, and Jessica is nowhere near as good as Leto.

Hulk runs at above 300 mph. GODLIKE is nearly as strong, but not even close to as heavy, as a calm Hulk. Blur and a half, even to someone like MNer.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Good luck. Especially after he parries and absorbs your lightsaber. His sword gets more powerful the more energy it absorbs.

Leto crawls 50 meters with 'a few swimming motions". He runs so fast that his feet, covered in bulletproof skin, begin to burn. He jumps stright up for 15 meters. Even better scenarion: GODLIKE goes Hulk style and jumps on Cyborg. Precog nullified, SC is cut in half by a chop from the lower atmosphere. (hey, Hulk jumps that high when calm... which is right around class 100)

Moving on to Grailnighter...

Have you proven that your chi field disintegrates anything really spectacular? Once again, the sword absorbs energy. Your field shouldn't be much different, every time he hits it, you get a little bit slower and weaker. You go for wide angle blasts, he counters with blasts of the same size. You port behind him, he has precog. Up close, he's many times stronger, faster, and more skilled. Lady Jessica, Leto's grandma, reversed a hold and pinned a guy before he could react. The people there thought she did it by magic, because they COULD NOT SEE how she was pinned one instant, and on top of the guy in the next. This is Bene Gesserit martial arts, and Jessica is nowhere near as good as Leto.

Hulk runs at above 300 mph. GODLIKE is nearly as strong, but not even close to as heavy, as a calm Hulk. Blur and a half, even to someone like MNer.

And then godlike turns all of your characters to a thick red paste.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Hulk runs at above 300 mph. GODLIKE is nearly as strong, but not even close to as heavy, as a calm Hulk.

Nearly as strong as Hulk?!

The sword boosts the character's normal strength levels by about 10x. Still nowhere near many of the picks, and probably somewhere just under 1 Ton.

How is "just under a ton" equal to 100 times 1 ton?

🤨

The sword boosts Vanth's "athletic human" strength to that level. Benedict already has superhuman strength. In Leto II's sandtrout symbiote he's even stronger, though not by as much as 10-year-old Leto was boosted. Diminishing returns and all.

Taking: (log(Ben's Strength)/log(10yr-old-Leto's Strength))*Sandtrout Leto's strength*10(for Vanth's sword) gets you 90+ tonns. Abomination level, minimum.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
The sword boosts Vanth's "athletic human" strength to that level. Benedict already has superhuman strength. In Leto II's sandtrout symbiote he's even stronger, though not by as much as 10-year-old Leto was boosted. Diminishing returns and all.

Taking: (log(Ben's Strength)/log(10yr-old-Leto's Strength))*Sandtrout Leto's strength*10(for Vanth's sword) gets you 90+ tonns. Abomination level, minimum.

What is the numeric value for each of the individual components?

And no more logarithmic BS, adding the strength together then the boost of the sword.

I'm not sure what your suggesting. The assumption I made was that for any two individuals bonded to the sandtrout, the stronger one would have to be ten times stronger initially to be twice as strong after the bonding. That's how most systems in nature work, and that's what the logarithmic term describes.

Leto II was boosted from "peak 10-year-old" to 5tons, maybe a bit more. For this math, I assumed 5 tons. That's something like a 100x or 200x multiplier, depending on how strong he was before. Of course, the sandtrout aren't 100% efficient, so Benedict won't be boosted anywhere near that much. Benedict's initial strength is unclear, I took a conservative estimate of a little over 2 tons. Assuming that relationship is like most things in nature, for every ten times stronger Benedict is than lil' Leto without the symbiote, he should be twice as strong as Leto with the trout; or around 9 tons.

Vanth's sword is supernatural, and looses no efficiency with greater input, at least in this range. 9*10=90tons.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I'm not sure what your suggesting. The assumption I made was that for any two individuals bonded to the sandtrout, the stronger one would have to be ten times stronger initially to be twice as strong after the bonding. That's how most systems in nature work, and that's what the logarithmic term describes.

So if he's not then that means the bonding would not occur, which means there wouln't be amaglamation in the first place.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Leto II was boosted from "peak 10-year-old" to 5tons, maybe a bit more. For this math, I assumed 5 tons. That's something like a 100x or 200x multiplier, depending on how strong he was before. Of course, the sandtrout aren't 100% efficient, so Benedict won't be boosted anywhere near that much. Benedict's initial strength is unclear, I took a conservative estimate of a little over 2 tons.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Assuming that relationship is like most things in nature,

And where in nature does such a thing occur?

Originally posted by jrodslam
for every ten times stronger Benedict is than lil' Leto

Originally posted by jrodslam
without the symbiote, he should be twice as strong as Leto with the trout; or around 9 tons.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Vanth's sword is supernatural, and looses no efficiency with greater input, at least in this range. 9*10=90tons.

The math that gave the under 1 ton weight doesn't agree with how you acheived that number either.

Using Marvel's "peak human" strength figure it'd be about 800 lbs lifting strength, or a bit more than twice their weight.

800 lbs * 10 is 8000 lbs or 4 tons. . .
800 lbs * 2.5 on the other hand would give you about 2000 lbs or 1 ton.

So even if your factoring is correct and the initial number is 9 tons the boost would put him at about 22.5 tons. . . not even a quarter of Hulks stregnth. 🤨

Someone was doing some number padding to boost their strength stat. 🙄

Originally posted by Laminator_X
I'm not sure what your suggesting. The assumption I made was that for any two individuals bonded to the sandtrout, the stronger one would have to be ten times stronger initially to be twice as strong after the bonding. That's how most systems in nature work, and that's what the logarithmic term describes.

Leto II was boosted from "peak 10-year-old" to 5tons, maybe a bit more. For this math, I assumed 5 tons. That's something like a 100x or 200x multiplier, depending on how strong he was before. Of course, the sandtrout aren't 100% efficient, so Benedict won't be boosted anywhere near that much. Benedict's initial strength is unclear, I took a conservative estimate of a little over 2 tons. Assuming that relationship is like most things in nature, for every ten times stronger Benedict is than lil' Leto without the symbiote, he should be twice as strong as Leto with the trout; or around 9 tons.

Vanth's sword is supernatural, and looses no efficiency with greater input, at least in this range. 9*10=90tons.

Summarized: It's high time GODLIKE was jumping on some b!tches...

Taking Leto at 5 tons is VERY conservative. Considering a vertical leap of 15 meters, from sand, would be a stretch for Spiderman. The fact that Leto runs about as fast as 15 or so tons of lifting strength should allow for, but has no other feats to back up his arm strength, makes me tone his actual bench down a little from Spiderman's 15 mark... I maintained 10 against Sentry, and will now. From THAT estimate, GODLIKE should be pressing double what Lam has him at: 180 tons. Even 90 tons would allow for massive jumping power, 180 makes Hulk style leaps pretty easy.

So Fever's done. If something with as little force as a blow dart can puncture his armor, a razor sharp, magic sword backed up by class 100 strength, falling from stories high should do it pretty easily. Enough to cut him in half, or pretty close to it.

Grailnighter can always "fall back" on his shield... Except that it's limited to titanium level strength, and Vanth's sword absorbs energy anyway. So either GODLIKE plays hit and run on the shield to build up a massive charge, while draining Grailnighter, I might add, or he starts chucking swords. If a tornado can put grass through a lightpole, GODLIKE can put razor sharp adamantium through a layer or three of titanium. Either way, Nighter's gon' die.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Summarized: It's high time GODLIKE was jumping on some b!tches...

Taking Leto at 5 tons is VERY conservative. Considering a vertical leap of 15 meters, from sand, would be a stretch for Spiderman. The fact that Leto runs about as fast as 15 or so tons of lifting strength should allow for, but has no other feats to back up his arm strength, makes me tone his actual bench down a little from Spiderman's 15 mark... I maintained 10 against Sentry, and will now. From THAT estimate, GODLIKE should be pressing double what Lam has him at: 180 tons. Even 90 tons would allow for massive jumping power, 180 makes Hulk style leaps pretty easy.

Speedsters are not automatically super strong, and bricks are not automatically super fast.

Jumped... 15... meters. That's around 50 feet. From sand. Spiderman is supposed to jump about 35. The fact that Leto runs faster than his other strength feats should allow for led me to believe that he should be around 10, as opposed to the direct comparison between the two jumps. (which would put him around 20) He DID also smash through a big stone water container, and snapped a guy's neck with one hand. Oh, and he decapitated another Fremen with a punch. So he does have a good amount of strength, but no feats with an actual number to pin on. I estimate 10 tons, because of his leaping power. And mind you, this is STILL just Leto, not Benedict with Leto's sandtrout, and he definitely didn't have Dreadstar's sword.

And anyone with an exorbitant amount of strength will be able to run very fast, superspeed enhancing powers or not. Once again, Hulk runs at over 300mph when calm. GODLIKE should at least be equal to or above that, since he is much lighter than a calm Hulk.

So Toad would be what class?

And quicksilver?

See, but their powers are specialized to be only for speed, and not strength. Leto runs fast on enhanced strength alone.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Moving on to Grailnighter...

Have you proven that your chi field disintegrates anything really spectacular?

Originally posted by Dizzle
Once again, the sword absorbs energy. Your field shouldn't be much different, every time he hits it, you get a little bit slower and weaker.

Originally posted by Dizzle
You go for wide angle blasts, he counters with blasts of the same size.

Originally posted by Dizzle
You port behind him, he has precog.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Up close, he's many times stronger, faster, and more skilled.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Lady Jessica, Leto's grandma, reversed a hold and pinned a guy before he could react. The people there thought she did it by magic, because they COULD NOT SEE how she was pinned one instant, and on top of the guy in the next.

Originally posted by Dizzle
Hulk runs at above 300 mph. GODLIKE is nearly as strong, but not even close to as heavy, as a calm Hulk. Blur and a half, even to someone like MNer.