Tournament: The "Other" Match

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Since when is Godlike at Skyfather? Even if it is class 90 (which I doubt somewhat...in my mind I have him around 50) and power meshing is fine, he's still a long way off from anything resembling cosmic. 50 tons, relatively fast, spider-esque pre-cog, and some badass fighting skills. It's a good amalgam no doubt, but hardly as good as Lam would have us believe (sorry Lam....hehe).

Around 50? Leto by himself with the sword would be 50! 😛 If Benedict amped by the trout it even 50% stronger that your 5 ton estimate for Leto that's put GODLIKE at 75 tons, and that's a serious low-ball.

Of course he's not Skyfather level, except perhaps in terms of his skills and experiences. In terms of raw might he's probably somewhere just below Iron-Man. Not as durable as IM, but probably stonger and with far better reflexes.

Alright, here come the scans.

His javelins hurt, but it's proven that the radium laser is also powerful enough to get through his shields, meaning that a single blast can hurt/kill him as well. I thought the javelins were also defined as less than lethal. They hurt everything pretty much the same, but don't hurt as much as a direct blast from Cyclops or something of that nature. If GODLIKE gets close enough, the sword deals very well with energy shields, as shown in previous scans.

Precog is an advantage that he does not have, so I'm gonna milk it. If GODLIKE only dodges 7/10 with precog, is it not safe to assume that Grailnighter would only be able to dodge 4 or 5 without it? Precog is a huge advantage, and I try to portray it as such.

Another advantage is clairvoyance. GODLIKE will always know where Grailnighter is, he basically has a radar that is powered by the universe itself. This greatly diminishes the value of him teleporting, since, coupled with precog, clairvoyance will allow GODLIKE to blast at him just before he appears. I'm not saying it's foolproof, but it definitely is a big advantage. (hey, if it works for Wolverine against Nightcralwer...)

If Midnighter was only outskilled, he could compensate. However, GODLIKE has him outclassed in all categories, except for teleportation, which is all but nullified by clairvoyance and precog.

Note that many of my uses of precog and the like are for offense, as well as defense. I accept that GODLIKE can be hit, but I also point out that someone lacking precog would be hit more than someone with precog.

And give up on GODLIKE? Never. At least not when he has these kids beat. I may consider accepting that he will lose against HKH... But that guy plays in another league.

Oh, the new strength estimate is 450 tons... That's with the sandtrout giving Benedict a quarter of the boost that they did Leto, which is STILL only assuming that Leto can bench a max of 5 tons. 50 tons would be saying that the Sandtrout would boost Benedict to the exact same level that they boosted Leto... Which is between 5 and 10 tons. 50 is the lowest he could possibly be. It definitely doesn't make sense to me that the skin would put a 10 year old who probly benches less than 200 pounds and a god of battle who benches 20 times that into the same strength class.

God, the one I don't quote is the one that gets a post between it and the one I was responding to... (this is all a reaction to Digi's post on the bottom of the last page)

Picture show! My scanner's still fritzed so I used a digicam for these. I adjusted the contrast and in a couple places fixed the panel layout where the action crossed a pagebreak, but otherwise this is as Mr. Starlin wrote and drew it.

Firstly, since Khellendros challenged the energy absorbion, here are three choice examples rather than just blocking blaster/laser fire like in the other one.

The first one has the text boxes just describing the effect:

This next one shows Vanth in action, again describing the ability. Note that his whole body was sheathed in power, such that the floor around him was chattered. Unlike blocking with a lightsaber this can stop area attacks as long as he can interpose the blade somewhat.

Finally, here's Vanth sucking up a serious big bang from the Sorecerer/Pope/Emperor he's trying to overthrow. Note that he's left standing unharmed in a blasted crater.

Anybody doubt the energy absorbtion now?

Next! Vanth just looovves to chop up elite military cyborgs! 😄

Here he is repelling a marine a boarding party. One bisected horizonally, one vertically.

Here he is shredding apart the King of half the galaxy's personal gaurd. Chop chop.

This one explodes!

Vanth is one cyborg killin machine, and once again, he's the least skilled component of GODLIKE.

Khell seems to think he'll be able to tag GODLIKE by throwing lots of different attacks at him at once, and from different angles. Here's how Vanth handles such an attack.

The Lord Papal, here shown trying to simultateously blast Vanth and tag him from behind with a ring of fireballs, is the head of a galactic order of sorcerers where you advance by killing your boss. He cant tag Vanth.

More from the same battle. I'll let this one speak for itself:

All this without any sort of precog, or super-reflexes, or whatever.
Of course GODLIKE has those things. 😈

Originally posted by DigiMark007
...Leto's pre-cog can help, but he can't simply use the "I can see all" tactic and use it as an argument to avoid his own death.

And if Leto can see what GN'er brings to the table, the reverse is true. The MN'er portion of his amalgam will be prepared for Godlike, and even if he's outskilled a bit...there's other ways of accomodating for it.

The strength won't become a factor. And Godlike seems to be relying a little too much on Leto's pre-cog to bail him out against the varied powers of his opponents.

Well of course, it's not enough to know what could be coming. You have to be enough of a badass to do something about it too. Look at what Vanth was doing above there, that was without Leto II's advantages or Benedict's skills.

Also, GODLIKE's "combat genius" is better to 'Nighter's. Not only are my perceptions superior to his scanners (remember in the first Athority arc when Midnighter was surprised to find that that cop in the terrorist city-state had superpowers?), but my ability to evaluate them is based on better asessment of probabilities (his computer models are good, but not perfect; I see the actual timelines) and I have far more experience with which to judge the best response.

Again, it's not the pre-cog alone. It's having the precog, knowing what to do about it, and having the skills+balls to make it happen. On all those counts GODLIKE is better than Grailnighter.

These pics demonstrate Vanth's abilities well, but they don't convey his hardcore badass nature. This sequence does.

Remember the Red Guy? The one who's blast I showed him absorbing and whose shots he dodged 4 timed back on page 2? Here's how that fight ends.

"My forcefield..." "Overloaded and gone!"

Here's an awesome two page spread. Since Khell's so proud of Midnighter dodging blasts at point-blank range, note that Vanth does that twice here against a guy shooting eye-beams (he just has to look at him to aim!). Also he casually snapps a heavy metal chain with his wounded arm alone. "A sword is too clean a death for you"

No words on the last page. Just raw violence!

It's late, I'm tired. Tomorrow you get the novel transcripts. G'night all.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
No words on the last page. Just raw violence!

Damn, Dreadstar's an ass.

Red Guy had it coming.

He was secretly the last survivor of the race that Dreadstar had helped destroy the Milky Way in order to stop. To get back at Vanth he falsified intelligence to arrange the saturation bombing of Vanths adopted home between his first and second arcs, killing Vanth's wife. He betrayed his own side in a war between two galactic superpowers in order to thwart Vanth's attempts diffuse the conflict, condemning billions to die in the Lord Papal's inquisition, just to get at Vanth. He had taken one of Dreadstar's allies and turned him into a cyborg puppet to betray and capture him. He had beaten him, tortured him, and left him for dead.

That's why the sword was "too clean a death."

so can Godlike's sword only absorb things it touches or does it like suck any energy around into it?

Originally posted by Family_guy725
so can Godlike's sword only absorb things it touches or does it like suck any energy around into it?

Yes and no. The sword absorbs ambient energy (sunlight, heat, etc) at a low level all the time, thus it's always maintaining a base-level charge. We've only ever seen high intensity energy effects absorbed through close proximity or direct contact.

here's how it breaks down.... Lightsabers are cool.... i have General Grievous... he has 4 lightsabers... therefore i'm at least 4 times cooler than either of these other turkeys..... therefore i win

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Hmm, the Chewbacca Defense. Clever ploy Scoob.

Originally posted by Scoobless
here's how it breaks down.... Lightsabers are cool.... i have General Grievous... he has 4 lightsabers... therefore i'm at least 4 times cooler than either of these other turkeys..... therefore i win

woo hoo

*vote for Scoob, the Hypnopicard commands you*

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VOTE GODLIKE!

For all the times your favorite characters got no respect,

TAKE A STAND NOW!

Originally posted by Laminator_X
[b]VOTE GODLIKE!

For all the times your favorite characters got no respect,

TAKE A STAND NOW! [/B]

I respect Grievous plenty. We acknowledge his skills, as well as his limitations. He is skilled, but nowhere near the level of Benedict or Leto. He is usually physically superior to his opponents (jedi) but not here. GODLIKE outclasses him by a huge amount. Finally, Dreadstar's sword is the perfect anti-lightsaber, becasue of its energy absorbing properties.

Respect does not equal worship. GODLIKE's just a beast.

My distinguished opponents are quite impressive, they're just outclassed in this match.

here's how it breaks down.... Lightsabers are cool.... i have General Grievous... he has 4 lightsabers... therefore i'm at least 4 times cooler than either of these other turkeys..... therefore i win

woo hoo

*vote for Scoob, the Hypnopicard commands you*

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