Dreams

And now for the boring and factual bit.....

Trying to interpret dreams is like trying to interpret tea-leaves in a cup; it is all up to the interpreter what to see behind the dream-story.

In fact dreams are just the mind's way of putting the weekly and daily happenings when awake into some sort of order in the subconscious so that important memories are kept close to the surface and unimportant memories, ( or bad memories ), are stored much deeper in the subconcious.

Without REM sleep ( when we do our dreaming ), we would very quickly go insane.

Therefore dreaming does not have any mystical meanings at all due to it just being a mechanical function of the brain.

Sorry if that spoils your dream indulgences !

"BackFire I'm sorry Hun but your completely wrong, dreams are a reflection of our inner-strengths, weaknesses, troubles and thoughts. They have a lot to do with your real life. Every dream means something."

Yes, every dream means something, whether that something is important is debatable. Of course your dreams are reflections of your thoughts, technically, they ARE thoughts. Therefore, as normal thoughts do, of course they reflect our troubles and weaknesses, etc.

When I dream that I'm having sex with a porn star, that means that I'm horny and I want to have sex. That is the meaning of that dream. Wow, deep stuff there. Not every dream has a deep meaning.

Originally posted by Papaumau
And now for the boring and factual bit.....

In fact dreams are just the mind's way of putting the weekly and daily happenings when awake into some sort of order in the subconscious

Hi - nice to meet you...

Facts eh? Nothing I like more than people spouting "facts" when - much like blackcat - they are nothing of the sort. Care to tell me where these proven ironclad facts of yours come from - (it always helps when you are laying out the last word on any given subject if you back it up - even ever so slightly.) Because to me your facts sound much like the knee-jerk same old shinola that people who dont know anything about the subject have been serving up for years.

"We are not sure whats going on, its some sort of long/short term storage method - it's nothing complex - we can't explain how it works but it's unimportant other than you will go mad without it... we cant prove anything but we ARE sure that it's nothing worth bothering about - move along, nothing to see"

Originally posted by BackFire
When I dream that I'm having sex with a porn star, that means that I'm horny and I want to have sex. That is the meaning of that dream.

You are on top of things.

That was a good post BF.........though a little disturbing and gross 😐

I would make a post stating everything, it's just I'm tired and wanna go to sleep so I'll post it tomorrow.

well sometimes even nonsense 'could' have a deeper meaning.. like how spanish decent people believe when you dream of someone losing thier teeth there is going to be a death soon. Also dreaming of yourself in a rich (luxurious house maybe?) setting means that you're actually poor in real life (in terms of how well you save your money), and the opposite with dreaming of a nasty setting. Theres lots of wierd translations.. but they tend to have opposite meanings of what they are (in terms of the definitions in most of the dream book)... I've also heard that everyone in your dream is you, acting out how you know your friends/family etc would act.

when I want to get out of a dream, I shut my eyes tight and when I open them I wake up

Originally posted by Mr Zero
Hi - nice to meet you...

Facts eh? Nothing I like more than people spouting "facts" when - much like blackcat - they are nothing of the sort. Care to tell me where these proven ironclad facts of yours come from - (it always helps when you are laying out the last word on any given subject if you back it up - even ever so slightly.) Because to me your facts sound much like the knee-jerk same old shinola that people who dont know anything about the subject have been serving up for years.

"We are not sure whats going on, its some sort of long/short term storage method - it's nothing complex - we can't explain how it works but it's unimportant other than you will go mad without it... we cant prove anything but we ARE sure that it's nothing worth bothering about - move along, nothing to see"

YO...Mr "Z".....

I am willing to admit that the sciences of the mind, ( Psychology and Psychiatry ), are NOT exact sciences but there is enough solid evidence to support the statement that I made above - which you rubbished - as conjecture.

The opposite side of the story here...That of interpreting the hidden meanings behind dreams; is just another type of charlatanism that is used to enslave the weak-minded and the superstitious.

Science....7 out of 10.

Dreamtalkers.....1 out of 10.

Originally posted by Papaumau
there is enough solid evidence to support the statement that I made above

Other than Penfield Rasmussen - which if I understand it says that the relationship between dream and memory is that memory may be held in "dream - format" and some tests done on amnesiacs I cant remember anything that you could even pretend was "solid evidence" - again I ask : what are these facts and solid evidence you keep mentioning?

i often dream that i'm in a house and there's a flood and the house gets surrounded in gushing water and all the time it's getting higher and higher. i would love to have this interpreted properly!

Originally posted by Mr Zero
Other than Penfield Rasmussen - which if I understand it says that the relationship between dream and memory is that memory may be held in "dream - format" and some tests done on amnesiacs I cant remember anything that you could even pretend was "solid evidence" - again I ask : what are these [B]facts and solid evidence you keep mentioning? [/B]

Yo again Mr "Z"....

Even although I have already admitted elsewhere that the sciences of the mind are not exact sciences I still stand by the masses of studies that have been done over the years about what our minds are doing whilst we dream.

If enough conjecture and behavioural evidence is gathered by hundeds if not thousands of experts in sleep habits then we must at some point accept that what has been observed and discovered is as near as we can get with the tools available at the moment to good and solid knowledge.

I have attempted to separate the mumbo-jumbo connected with non-scientific dream-interpretation and the scientific study and observation that has been done by people who are not swayed by anecdotal evidence alone.

Have a look here and see what you can find:

http://www.dreamgate.com/dream/library/idx_science.htm

please compare as I did

"And now for the ... factual bit....."
"In fact dreams are just the mind's way of ..."
"just a mechanical function of the brain."

AND

"sciences of the mind are not exact sciences "
"If enough conjecture ... is gathered"

FACT - JUST MECHANICAL vs NOT EXACT - CONJECTURE.

As you may have noticed I love a good debate - but this backpedaling change of tone does nothing for you or the discussion. In any discussion it's customary to either offer support for your claims or admit you were wrong. Changing what you say you believe mid-stream is just cheap.

Here is a FACT for you: Just because you feel you have separated the wheat from the chaff about an issue does not make your beliefs into facts no matter how high on a pedestal you place your faith in science. Science would get nowhere without an open mind - an in matters of the mind everything is still conjecture.

I still say that if enough anecdotal evidence is gathered from enough people and enough directions about a subject such as this then the evidence MUST be accepted by the academicians in the absence of completely empirical proof.

I will clarify AGAIN... that all I am saying here is that the study of dreams in a scientific way is a much better way to evaluate the content of dreams than the swallowing of the output from the charlatan so-called spiritual interpreters.

One at least is based in science while the other is based in fantasy and uncontrolled imagination.

i really dont think dreams have signifigance 😬
i mean ... i always have "normal" dreams.
the craziest dream ive ever had was when i was little, and a polar bear chased me. and another where a kangaroo was trying to kill me. and another with a killer whale. and with this fish i made up in my dream .... i think im scared of animals shocking
but they were all years ago.
myne are all about .... day to day stuff. and they never come true or anything 😬

OK...I have knocked the interpretation of dreams rather badly here in favour of scientific explanations but in fact if we agree that dreams are manufactured from what we have been doing or thinking about in the hours before we go to sleep then the basés that these dreams stem from are in fact, reality.

So...we should therefore not be surprised if our dreams are fairly easy to connect with what we do in real-life.

yes but .... ive never had a dream of flying cry
yeah thats a good point, paps 🙂
thats probably why all my dreams are realistic ... i think waaaaay too much before i go to sleep 😬

Although I usually agree that dreams are where are subconcious projects are anxieties and fears, or what happened to us that day, I have to say that they are sometimes uncanny. For example, I once had a dream that I was an Egypian Pharoah's servant and he sleepwalked and then he strnagled me in his sleep. I went to the library the next day, and was merely browing the books and the first one my hand touched was called 'Nightwalker' and was about a guy who sleepwalked and strangled people in his sleep. Not identical, I'll admit, but it is similar enough to really freak me out!

Co-incidence can be a rather disturbing thing !

Many of the things that happen to us AFTER we have dreamed a thing are pure co-incidences that trigger our memory of the dream. Millions of things happen to us every day so surely there must be a few co-incidences in there too.

I will tell you about coincidences that happen to me almost three or four times a day:

I have the capability to be able listen to talk and lyrics on the - always on - MTV that is just to my right when I sit here typing.

As I am only half listening I can filter out most of the words that are nothing to do with what I am writing.

About two or three or four times a day a word or pair of words will be spoken on the TV just as I type them on the keyboard.

When I first noticed this I used to think that someone was maybe trying to communicate with me from inside the TV or somewhere, but after thinking about it a bit more I realised that the words that were being caught by my ear were not related to each-other and were pure co-incidence.

Still spooky though !

Maybe I am just DAY-dreaming ?

Thanks to 'The Reality Check' last night I was able to lucid dream and control it! 😄

I had this dream where i went to school naked. It was football night and there was a lot of beer. I woke up with a hang over.

Personally for me I dream about whatever I last thought about before I went to bed. That's not always the case. Just most of the time.