I think it was in an issue where the Purple Man (or some other manipulator guy) mentally commanded a couple of people to fight Thing "one after the other. I think She-Hulk was also in that group. Simon was looking awesome, all cold and calculating-like. he smacks thing around, and then Thing notes that this is wierd cause Simon could beat his @ss and he's obviously holding back.
Of course, that may just be a distorted memory however"
Probably some scans will show up. If thats what happened then Wman didnt badly portraited. Not that Thing cant give him a fight but hes not stronger. Wman is a notch below guys like Herc and Thor.
And as for the last post:
because Handbook/guides arent accurate. Otherwise id use one where Herc and Gladiator wer listed above Thor, Hulk and the like.
Originally posted by olympian
I think it was in an issue where the Purple Man (or some other manipulator guy) mentally commanded a couple of people to fight Thing "one after the other. I think She-Hulk was also in that group. Simon was looking awesome, all cold and calculating-like. he smacks thing around, and then Thing notes that this is wierd cause Simon could beat his @ss and he's obviously holding back.Of course, that may just be a distorted memory however"
Probably some scans will show up. If thats what happened then Wman didnt badly portraited. Not that Thing cant give him a fight but hes not stronger. Wman is a notch below guys like Herc and Thor.
And as for the last post:
because Handbook/guides arent accurate.
Then why have them ? 🙂
Originally posted by Adam Warlock
Marvel series trading cards sets #2 through #4 say so.This picture spells it out as well. I put a picture their so you could understand it better. 🙂
The trading card aren't in Level form. They're out of 50, and Wonderman hasn't appeared !
Namor is also listed a level 6 and has performed simillar feats ! The pic is irrelevent !
Wonder Man has top tier showings but he falls behind because he is always stated to be the next bigthing after Thor and Herc (and not having better strenght feats). The fact he -fluctuates- of levels according to writers, doesnt help. Thats safari Jacket WMan, a version weaker than Today.
Namor also has top tier showings.
Out of curiosity, whats the rating of Herc and Thor in the system your talking about?
Originally posted by olympian
Wonder Man has top tier showings but he falls behind because he is always stated to be the next bigthing after Thor and Herc (and not having better strenght feats). The fact he -fluctuates- of levels according to writers, doesnt help. Thats safari Jacket WMan, a version weaker than Today.Namor also has top tier showings.
Out of curiosity, whats the rating of Herc and Thor in the system your talking about?
Level 7
Along with a lot of all of the well known strong guys ! I'll be interested to see how Ultimate Colossus is listed, as i thinks he's in same strength divison as Wonderman and Namor.
Here is a article about Ultimate Colossus, I THINK Colossus takes this one since he has a win to Thor, and Ironman to his name.
Codename: Colossus
Real name: Piotr (Peter) Nikolaievitch Rasputin
Group affiliation: The X-Men
Base of operations: Xavier Institute for Gifted Children
First appearance: Ultimate X-Men #1
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 250 lbs. normal, 500 lbs. in armoured form
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: Black
What the Professor says:
"Perhaps the development I'm most proud of is how Wolverine and Colossus have reinvented themselves over these last few months. Both young men raised in violence and misery, they now spend their evenings scanning newspapers for hard-luck stories and unsolved crimes... walking the streets from dusk 'til dawn in search of people who might be in need of their particular kind of help."
History:
A young Piotr Rasputin left his poverty-stricken family to make a living in the United States, where he joined the Russian Mafia. Peter kept his mutant power a secret, and became more and more sucesssful in the mafia world. However, every penny he earned was sent back to his family in Siberia.
During a illegal arms transaction on a dock in New York, Piotr and his associates were backstabbed and attacked with machine guns. Everyone on the dock was killed except for Piotr, who was saved by his mutant ability. Outted as a mutant, Piotr thought his life was over. But, he was found by Jean Grey and offered a place among the X-Men, a team of young mutants dedicated to bringing about peaceful coexistence between the two species of man. As Colossus, Piotr now serves as the squad's super-strong powerhouse!
After they were freed from the Weapon X project, Colossus and the X-Men embarked on a World Tour to promote Xavier's new book. While in London however, Colossus suddenly departed the team, and left home to Russia. With Cyclops and Marvel Girl on his trail, Piotr got a job with a car manufacturing plant, and proclaimed to Scott and Jean that he was indeed happy. Unsatisfied, the two persued Piotr until he explained his reason for leaving. Peter declared that he was unhappy with his place on the team, that he was ignored, and that none of his team members cared for him. Marvel Girl, however, disagreed, stating that his true reason was because of the feelings he had for a fellow team member. Peter promptly dismissed the two. Later that night, however, the local Russian news announced that a submarine had crashed underwater, and that there was no hope for the crews survival. Unable to sit idly by, Piotr took charge and dove to the submarine and dislodged it. When he reached the surface Colossus was doused with media attention, which proclaimed him the most famous super-hero on the planet. Peter put his grudges with the X-Men asside and left Russia with Cyclops and Marvel Girl to meet up with the X-Men in Germany, who were in a heated battle with Xavier's son David. With the professor torn between killing his son and allowing thousands of innocents to perish, Colossus took action, and crushed David with a car, ending the battle, as well as the lives of David and Col. Betsy Braddock.
Colossus and a handful of X-Men were invited to an evening out with the Hellfire Club, the X-Men's secret financers, at their headquarters in New York. There he met the Russian President, who had grown up merely a few miles from Piotr's collective in Russia. The group, including Jean, Ororo, and the Professor, were ambushed and captured. In truth, Hellfire had been monitoring Jean Grey, in order to user her as a vehicle to bring forth their ancient god, the Phoenix. The Phoenix arose in Jean, and she murdered the Hellfire Club. However, Xavier was able to force the Phoenix into submission, freeing Jean from it's grasp. Colossus was unharmed during the ordeal.
Colossus and the X-Men were forced out of the mansion with the U.S. Government on their backs. In the final climactic battle between the X-Men and The Ultimates, America's premier superhero team, Colossus stood his own against Iron Man and Thor, and was able to withstand a localized nuclear explosion direct at him by Hawkeye, proving Piotr's amazing strength.
After hiding out in a suburban New York home (unbeknownst to it's residents, thanks to Marvel Girl's abilities) Colossus and the X-Men located Magneto's flying citidal, using a signal sent by the captured Cyclops. Upon their arrival they were subdued by Magneto's control over the iron in their blood. Using his unimaginable power, Colossus was able to overcome Magneto's influence and broke free, attacking him mercilessly for the harm he had inflicted on Peter's friends, especially Wolverine. His concentration destroyed, Magneto released the X-Men who were able to apprehend him, all thanks to Piotr's determination.
In the Ultimate continuity, it has been shown that Colossus's eyes do not turn into steel, but instead remain organic and vulnerable (in the normal continuity, Colossus's eyes have been able to withstand a gunshot). Also, unlike the "normal" Colossus, when he is knocked unconscious he remains in whatever form he was in (See the "Hellfire and Brimstone" plotline)everything else seems to stay the same. In the Ultimate War crossover with the Ultimates, Colossus fought Thor and had the upper hand against the thunder god.
Colossus possesses the mutant ability to transform his entire body into solid, nigh-invulnerable, organic osmium steel. In this "armored" form, Colossus posses sufficient strength to lift over 100 tons. He can withstand the impact of a 5,000 ton speeding train, the ballistic penetration of a 110 millimeter Howitzer shell, and the explosive force of nearly 500 pounds of TNT. He is highly resistant to heat and cold (being able to receive full-force blasts from The Human Torch and/or Ice Man without taking damage) and can survive temperature extremes from -320o Fahrenheit to approximately 9000o F. Being conductive, he is immune to electricity. Colossus's armored body cannot rust.
Powers and abilities
Colossus possesses the ability to transform his entire body into a form of organic steel, named by some sources as analogous to Osmium, but of still unknown composition.
In this transformed state, Colossus' body gains around a inch in additional height and his body mass is at least doubled. The source of Colossus' gain in height and muscle mass is unknown, but possibly extradimensional.
While in his armored form, Colossus possesses significant superhuman strength. As a teenager, Colossus powers allow him in "Class 100" Power Level (able to lift in excess of 100 tons). The full limit of his strength has not been revealed. Aside from this great strength, in his steel form he possesses a high degree of invulnerability to conventional injury. Colossus' armored form can withstand extreme temperatures, falls from great heights, high caliber machine gun shells, large amounts of explosives, etc without sustaining injury. A side effect of his armor's strength enhancing effect is a vastly greater muscle efficiency than an ordinary human. While armored, his muscles generate considerably less lactic acids than those of ordinary humans, granting him superhuman levels of stamina in all activities. He can exert himself at peak capacity for several days before fatigue begins to impair him. Colossus' armored form is also invulnerable to rusting under Earthly conditions. Colossus has demonstrated very little need, if any, to breathe while he is in his armored state and there's no known limit as to how long he can remain in this form. Colossus also has no limit with his strength, as long as he ages works out in his normal form his steel form will continue to grow stronger.
Colossus cannot transform a single portion of his body into this armored state, he must either be completely transformed or remain within his normal state.
Here is a article about wonderman.
Wonder Man is a fictional character, a superhero in the Marvel Comics universe, and is a member in long standing of the Avengers. He was created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in Avengers #9 (October 1964).
Character Biography
Simon Williams was born the son of a rich family, and inherited the family's company and fortune. Despite this, he embezzled money from the company and was caught. The supervillain Baron Zemo found the desperate Williams and offered him a chance to escape by transforming him into the ion-powered Wonder Man.
Wonder Man joined the Avengers on Zemo's behalf, but ultimately turned on Zemo and was apparently killed in doing so. He actually remained in a deathlike state of suspended animation for years, during which time the android Ultron based the brain of an android of his own, the Vision, upon that of Wonder Man.
William's brother, Eric Williams, became the supervillain called the Grim Reaper, and the process that had empowered Simon was also used to empower the villain Count Nefaria, among others.
Wonder Man was eventually revived and finally joined the Avengers full-time, becoming close friends with his teammate, the Beast.
With his zest for life, he became an actor in addition to a superhero, and was one of the major members of the West Coast Avengers team.
Image:WonderMan-9.jpg
Cover to Wonder Man Volume 2 #9 (May, 1992), featuring Wonder Man and the Vision. Art by Jeff Johnson.Wonder Man eventually came to accept the Vision as his "brother". However, the Vision was dismantled and rebuilt as an emotionless machine, and his marriage to Wanda Maximoff, the Scarlet Witch, was annulled. Wonder Man later became romantically involved with the Witch.
When the Avengers West Coast disbanded Williams became a founder member of its successor group - Force Works, along with the Scarlet Witch. However Wonder Man was disintegrated in a battle with the alien Kree in an early mission with the group.
The Scarlet Witch was eventually able to restore Williams to life with her chaos magic, and in the process brought back the Grim Reaper, who at the time had been a ghost.
Although Williams and Maximoff resumed their relationship, they eventually drifted apart and Wonder Man has recently been romantically linked with Carol Danvers.
Powers and abilities
Initially, Wonder Man possessed superhuman strength and endurance that were comparable with the Thing. After his first "death", his powers increased significantly while in stasis, placing him in the "Class 100" strength range, equivalent to Thor; entailing that he can lift far in excess of 100 tons. Wonder Man also possesses superhuman speed but initially could not fly of his own power. After his revival, he gained a belt that featured a pair of rockets that tapped into his ionic power to give him the ability of flight. Without the belt, he could not fly, but eventually learned to leap great distances like the Hulk. After he was exposed to the energies of a Nega-Bomb in "Operation Galactic Storm", his powers entered a state of flux that lasted until his second "death" in combat with the Kree. At one point during this state of flux, energy erupted from his body and temporarily empowered a group of his non-superpowered friends and associates, who were briefly known as the "Crazy Eight". After his body was reformed by the Scarlet Witch, he gained the ability to transform into ionic energy, in which form he now possessed the innate ability of flight.
Originally posted by soujaboy09
Here is a article about Ultimate Colossus, I THINK Colossus takes this one since he has a win to Thor, and Ironman to his name.Codename: Colossus
Real name: Piotr (Peter) Nikolaievitch Rasputin
Group affiliation: The X-Men
Base of operations: Xavier Institute for Gifted Children
First appearance: Ultimate X-Men #1
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 250 lbs. normal, 500 lbs. in armoured form
Eye color: Blue
Hair color: BlackWhat the Professor says:
"Perhaps the development I'm most proud of is how Wolverine and Colossus have reinvented themselves over these last few months. Both young men raised in violence and misery, they now spend their evenings scanning newspapers for hard-luck stories and unsolved crimes... walking the streets from dusk 'til dawn in search of people who might be in need of their particular kind of help."History:
A young Piotr Rasputin left his poverty-stricken family to make a living in the United States, where he joined the Russian Mafia. Peter kept his mutant power a secret, and became more and more sucesssful in the mafia world. However, every penny he earned was sent back to his family in Siberia.During a illegal arms transaction on a dock in New York, Piotr and his associates were backstabbed and attacked with machine guns. Everyone on the dock was killed except for Piotr, who was saved by his mutant ability. Outted as a mutant, Piotr thought his life was over. But, he was found by Jean Grey and offered a place among the X-Men, a team of young mutants dedicated to bringing about peaceful coexistence between the two species of man. As Colossus, Piotr now serves as the squad's super-strong powerhouse!
After they were freed from the Weapon X project, Colossus and the X-Men embarked on a World Tour to promote Xavier's new book. While in London however, Colossus suddenly departed the team, and left home to Russia. With Cyclops and Marvel Girl on his trail, Piotr got a job with a car manufacturing plant, and proclaimed to Scott and Jean that he was indeed happy. Unsatisfied, the two persued Piotr until he explained his reason for leaving. Peter declared that he was unhappy with his place on the team, that he was ignored, and that none of his team members cared for him. Marvel Girl, however, disagreed, stating that his true reason was because of the feelings he had for a fellow team member. Peter promptly dismissed the two. Later that night, however, the local Russian news announced that a submarine had crashed underwater, and that there was no hope for the crews survival. Unable to sit idly by, Piotr took charge and dove to the submarine and dislodged it. When he reached the surface Colossus was doused with media attention, which proclaimed him the most famous super-hero on the planet. Peter put his grudges with the X-Men asside and left Russia with Cyclops and Marvel Girl to meet up with the X-Men in Germany, who were in a heated battle with Xavier's son David. With the professor torn between killing his son and allowing thousands of innocents to perish, Colossus took action, and crushed David with a car, ending the battle, as well as the lives of David and Col. Betsy Braddock.
Colossus and a handful of X-Men were invited to an evening out with the Hellfire Club, the X-Men's secret financers, at their headquarters in New York. There he met the Russian President, who had grown up merely a few miles from Piotr's collective in Russia. The group, including Jean, Ororo, and the Professor, were ambushed and captured. In truth, Hellfire had been monitoring Jean Grey, in order to user her as a vehicle to bring forth their ancient god, the Phoenix. The Phoenix arose in Jean, and she murdered the Hellfire Club. However, Xavier was able to force the Phoenix into submission, freeing Jean from it's grasp. Colossus was unharmed during the ordeal.
Colossus and the X-Men were forced out of the mansion with the U.S. Government on their backs. In the final climactic battle between the X-Men and The Ultimates, America's premier superhero team, Colossus stood his own against Iron Man and Thor, and was able to withstand a localized nuclear explosion direct at him by Hawkeye, proving Piotr's amazing strength.
After hiding out in a suburban New York home (unbeknownst to it's residents, thanks to Marvel Girl's abilities) Colossus and the X-Men located Magneto's flying citidal, using a signal sent by the captured Cyclops. Upon their arrival they were subdued by Magneto's control over the iron in their blood. Using his unimaginable power, Colossus was able to overcome Magneto's influence and broke free, attacking him mercilessly for the harm he had inflicted on Peter's friends, especially Wolverine. His concentration destroyed, Magneto released the X-Men who were able to apprehend him, all thanks to Piotr's determination.
In the Ultimate continuity, it has been shown that Colossus's eyes do not turn into steel, but instead remain organic and vulnerable (in the normal continuity, Colossus's eyes have been able to withstand a gunshot). Also, unlike the "normal" Colossus, when he is knocked unconscious he remains in whatever form he was in (See the "Hellfire and Brimstone" plotline)everything else seems to stay the same. In the Ultimate War crossover with the Ultimates, Colossus fought Thor and had the upper hand against the thunder god.
Colossus possesses the mutant ability to transform his entire body into solid, nigh-invulnerable, organic osmium steel. In this "armored" form, Colossus posses sufficient strength to lift over 100 tons. He can withstand the impact of a 5,000 ton speeding train, the ballistic penetration of a 110 millimeter Howitzer shell, and the explosive force of nearly 500 pounds of TNT. He is highly resistant to heat and cold (being able to receive full-force blasts from The Human Torch and/or Ice Man without taking damage) and can survive temperature extremes from -320o Fahrenheit to approximately 9000o F. Being conductive, he is immune to electricity. Colossus's armored body cannot rust.
Powers and abilities
Colossus possesses the ability to transform his entire body into a form of organic steel, named by some sources as analogous to Osmium, but of still unknown composition.In this transformed state, Colossus' body gains around a inch in additional height and his body mass is at least doubled. The source of Colossus' gain in height and muscle mass is unknown, but possibly extradimensional.
While in his armored form, Colossus possesses significant superhuman strength. As a teenager, Colossus powers allow him in "Class 100" Power Level (able to lift in excess of 100 tons). The full limit of his strength has not been revealed. Aside from this great strength, in his steel form he possesses a high degree of invulnerability to conventional injury. Colossus' armored form can withstand extreme temperatures, falls from great heights, high caliber machine gun shells, large amounts of explosives, etc without sustaining injury. A side effect of his armor's strength enhancing effect is a vastly greater muscle efficiency than an ordinary human. While armored, his muscles generate considerably less lactic acids than those of ordinary humans, granting him superhuman levels of stamina in all activities. He can exert himself at peak capacity for several days before fatigue begins to impair him. Colossus' armored form is also invulnerable to rusting under Earthly conditions. Colossus has demonstrated very little need, if any, to breathe while he is in his armored state and there's no known limit as to how long he can remain in this form. Colossus also has no limit with his strength, as long as he ages works out in his normal form his steel form will continue to grow stronger.
Colossus cannot transform a single portion of his body into this armored state, he must either be completely transformed or remain within his normal state.
Where's this from ? 🙂
Originally posted by olympianThing's definately not near Wonder Mans strength level, as this scan shows...
Probably some scans will show up. If thats what happened then Wman didnt badly portraited. Not that Thing cant give him a fight but hes not stronger. Wman is a notch below guys like Herc and Thor.
Btw, since when is it Ultimate version of Colossus he fighting? Not that it matters, Wonder Man beats them both. Colossus is cool and all, but he's not at WM's level in any area. Colossus isn't even as good at h2h as Simon. Which WM definately exploit.