Originally posted by snoopdoggWhat makes you think Colossus has better durability and fighting skills than Simon? Could you tell or show some examples of stuff that puts Colossus above Simon in these areas?
Drowning Wonderman won't work. He does not need to breathe the same as Colossus.But Colossus has better durabilty and fighting skills then Wonderman. All you have to do is read their entries in the handbooks. Colossus is rated higher in bothof those categories. Strength is probably even.
If they go h2h I see Colossus taking 7/10. If Wonderman uses his flight advantage his wins more than Colossus.
And i think it's funny how people disregard handbooks all the time, until it actually shows their fav character in a better light. (not targeting you snoopdogg, it's just something i've noticed in general lately))
Originally posted by Lucid LuiHey I didn't say it the Marvel editors did.
What makes you think Colossus has better durability and fighting skills than Simon? Could you tell or show some examples of stuff that puts Colossus above Simon in these areas?And i think it's funny how people disregard handbooks all the time, until it actually shows their fav character in a better light. (not targeting you snoopdogg, it's just something i've noticed in general lately))
Colossus fighitng skill is 4 while WM's is a two. Colossus max temp. he can take 9000 degreees while Simons is 1500.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Originally posted by snoopdoggYeah, but i'm talking about actual feats in comics that suggest Colossus is better in those areas. Forget the handbooks for now 😛
Hey I didn't say it the Marvel editors did.Colossus fighitng skill is 4 while WM's is a two. Colossus max temp. he can take 9000 degreees while Simons is 1500.
Don't shoot the messenger.
Originally posted by Lucid LuiI have never disregared a handbook. A handbook is a tool the writers should use to write stories. And when they show something outside the handbook it should be considered bad-writing.And i think it's funny how people disregard handbooks all the time, until it actually shows their fav character in a better light.
Originally posted by snoopdoggYes yes, that's why i said i wasn't targeting you. It's something i see alot of places on the net. Whenever someone brings up a handbook it'll just be disregarded as crap (by most), but then when the handbook works in their favour, the people who bashed it, are all for it. I wasn't saying that you do this.
I have never disregared a handbook. A handbook is a tool the writers should use to write stories. And when they show something outside the handbook it should be considered bad-writing.
I agree with snoop handbooks help us see the difference between pis and an acutal feat. That is not to say that the hand book can't be wrong with consistent showings of a person in comics.
in reference to adam warlock's comment about apoc, are we acutaly considering house of M battles as cannon. I hope not, most of the fights were pis and inconsistant with the character.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Hey I didn't say it the Marvel editors did.Colossus fighitng skill is 4 while WM's is a two. Colossus max temp. he can take 9000 degreees while Simons is 1500.
Don't shoot the messenger.
And Namor's fighting skill is 3. Iron Fist rank lower then Punisher...Gambits energy projection is ranked as 2...it's not very good source. 🙂
Originally posted by snoopdogg
I have never disregared a handbook. A handbook is a tool the writers should use to write stories. And when they show something outside the handbook it should be considered bad-writing.
What if the character has existed in comic years before the handbook writer was even born? Before handbooks were even invented?
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerShang-chi is the master of Kung-Fu and that's it. Just one style like the 5 rating indicates.
And Namor's fighting skill is 3. Iron Fist rank lower then Punisher...Gambits energy projection is ranked as 2...it's not very good source. 🙂
Castle was in the special forces and leanred various martial arts.
Gambit cannot project energy. I don't think some people truly understand the Marvel power grids.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Hey I didn't say it the Marvel editors did.Colossus fighitng skill is 4 while WM's is a two. Colossus max temp. he can take 9000 degreees while Simons is 1500.
Don't shoot the messenger.
A sun is hotter than 1500 degrees.
I'm pretty sure Namor has whooped on Apoc. If he did, I'm pretty sure WM can as well.
Originally posted by DarkCrawlerGambit cannot shoot energy out of his hands, eyes or whatever.
Cannot...project...energy? Is kinetic energy not energy?What about all the countless strenght and speed mistakes the handbooks have made? Because they have practically mislabeled everything in etc. Namor's bio...
He can only chargs objects with energy making them explode.