Apocalypse vs Dracula

Originally posted by grey fox
Aura-*Redirected to Jobber Aura*

Jobber Aura- A term first coined by angry anti-wolverine groups. Used to define WHY a character lower in terms of overall [b]everything somehow beats a character who has skill/power/means to destroy him in a non pis/cis situation .

See also....

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Nice, very technical: "*Redirected to Jobber Aura*"

Oh, I remember that whole thing about wolvie! But that's not Apocalypse. I mean, he couldn't beat Galactus or the Watcher, or anybody like that, but he could hold his own against the Silver Surfer and the ilk, because they're at or above his power level. (That's a rough comparison by the way. Silver Surfer would definatley win. However, what i'm saying is that it would be a LOGICAL match-up. I would expect him to be able to fight beings like the Hulk or juggernaught or thor, etc.)

Originally posted by grey fox
Butchering ? , what do you mean by that ....

Oh God, no! I meant marvel butchering apocalypse....not you.

Also: Restraining hulk: good writing. Murder by magneto or blackbolt: bad writing.

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
Nice, very technical: "*Redirected to Jobber Aura*"

Oh, I remember that whole thing about wolvie! But that's not Apocalypse. I mean, he couldn't beat Galactus or the Watcher, or anybody like that, but he could hold his own against the Silver Surfer and the ilk, because they're at or above his power level. (That's a rough comparison by the way. Silver Surfer would definatley win. However, what i'm saying is that it would be a LOGICAL match-up. I would expect him to be able to fight beings like the Hulk or juggernaught or thor, etc.)

I'm afraid your wrong .

Apocalypse lords over others declaring himself the 'top dog' so to speak . But it is fact he who is lacking in power , he has been stalemated by lower groups many-a-time. I have even heard of him running from a table leg .

Your quite lucky , as i have no problem with apocalypse fanboys ( currently) a few of the senior members take quite a disliking to claims that apocalypse can take on sentry and win.

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
Also: Restraining hulk: good writing. Murder by magneto or blackbolt: bad writing.

Not really , Apocalypse has a large amount of celestial tech embedded in his body so it's understandable that he can be ripped apart , whereas black bolt can destroy mountains with a whisper . So a simple scream aimed at Apocalypse should kill him outright.....

I don't know about sentry or all that, but I'm just saying that he is not as weak as marvel has made him since 2000. And, by the question as to who is sentry, you can tell I stopped reading comics then too. 😮 😛

They say that he gets his power from the Celestial technology, when the only account written in the comics involving his first exposure to Celestial tech. was very sparse in details and was also from a characters memory that may or may not be entirely true.

The card on the back of the Marvel Legends series 7 apocalypse figure stated that not only was he unable to lift above 100 tons, but that he found and stayed in the Celestial ship for thousands of years, when (from Sauls account) he found it about 800 years ago.

Truth is, Apocalypse was physically able to lift above 100 tons before (normal 7 foot form), and after his exposure to celestial tech, he could restrain the hulk no problem (until the hulk eventually exceeded that strength level and flattened apocalypse.).

That's all I'm doing; backing up apocalypse's powers.

Originally posted by grey fox
Not really , Apocalypse has a large amount of celestial tech embedded in his body so it's understandable that he can be ripped apart , whereas black bolt can destroy mountains with a whisper . So a simple scream aimed at Apocalypse should kill him outright.....

True. I was just generalizing.

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
I don't know about sentry or all that, but I'm just saying that he is not as weak as marvel has made him since 2000. And, by the question as to who is sentry, you can tell I stopped reading comics then too. 😮 😛

They say that he gets his power from the Celestial technology, when the only account written in the comics involving his first exposure to Celestial tech. was very sparse in details and was also from a characters memory that may or may not be entirely true.

The card on the back of the Marvel Legends series 7 apocalypse figure stated that not only was he unable to lift above 100 tons, but that he found and stayed in the Celestial ship for thousands of years, when (from Sauls account) he found it about 800 years ago.

Truth is, Apocalypse was physically able to lift above 100 tons before (normal 7 foot form), and after his exposure to celestial tech, he could restrain the hulk no problem (until the hulk eventually exceeded that strength level and flattened apocalypse.).

That's all I'm doing; backing up apocalypse's powers.

Slight problem there , unless it isn't in a comic it's not accepted. Characters power levels are a sketchy thing , changing with each writer . No writer actually considers whether or not their going over the actual power level of the character . As such the figure's statistics are null and void......

Originally posted by APOCALYPSE NUR
True. I was just generalizing.

Ok 🙂

I misspoke there. What I meant to say was that they attribute MOST of his power to celestial tech. Which is just wrong.

"unless it isn't in a comic it's not accepted" I know. That's what I was saying:
I think toybiz is full of Sh** , and it contradicts how powerful he really is (100+ tons, etc. ) And I dissagree strongly with the toybiz card. I should have clairified, sorry. 😎 😮‍💨 💃 💃

HEY! Check me out!: "It's PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME, PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!!!! -- 💃 💃 💃

*raises eyebrow*

OK.....

You can also draw a pretty much exact comparison between Hulk and Apocalypse in terms of how celestial tech. augments one's abilities.

For example: Like Hulk (to a point) Apocalypse was extremely physically powerful beforehand (100+ to 200tons), and after their exposure to Celestial tech., they were augmented even more (picking up pyramids, restraining hulk - respectively).
The exception is that Hulk would've achived that level of strength anyway, whereas Apocalypse would've been stuck at 100+ to 200tons (in his 7foot form).

Haven't you ever seen Family Guy? *peanut butter jelly time*???

Originally posted by grey fox
Not really , Apocalypse has a large amount of celestial tech embedded in his body so it's understandable that he can be ripped apart , whereas black bolt can destroy mountains with a whisper . So a simple scream aimed at Apocalypse should kill him outright.....

The blackbolt being able to destroy him with a word is true, yes.
But it's the way it happened. Apocalypse would never, NEVER, be that stupid. That whole issue just sucked donkey-d***. I mean, Black Panther killing sabertooth? Hopping over the head of Apocalypse? never in a million years.
Although, Apocalypse did destroy the whole place, and shrugged off attacks by an army...

And magneto did have the power to do what he did. Bad example, sorry.

ehhh.....let's see. trying to think of a good-- AH! Loki! He would have trashed Loki. Well, I mean...more than he did.

Also- did anyone else find it weird that Apocalypse made his HEAD grow in that fight, just to shoot loki with his eye-beams????

Not that I don't like it (it's actually pretty awesome), it's just........what prompts one to make thier HEAD grow?

you all talk about Apoc like he started out a jobber he wasnt a jobber to begin with thus he cant have been born one my point is they butcher him in stories now a days how would you like a perfectly good character to show up in a lame situation

Ex thanos being defeated by torzan-oops it did happen sadly heh how do you like it thanos fanboys

ex V being beaten by a gang of common street punks who probably cant even read same goes for punisher

SS having trouble against dracula who's powers are not even sificiant to take on anyone above blade

surfer being cut open by wolverine

some of these things did happen and they suck admit it and other things like V losing to common street thugs i dont think they happend my point is all of your fav characters are seceptible to bad writing and thus can suck at any moment apocalypse has not always sucked and has shown good showings he should always show good showings if he must show bad showings they should be at a minimum

more examples

exodus being pathetic after bloodties

pheonix losing to xorn

i wish i had a dictonary of horribly moments that should not have happend someone made a thread im suprised its not composed of 10's of thousdans of pages

another example Omega beams being blocked by WW gauntlets when they can supercede her force field Darkseid has been a major jobber sometimes but now he has the anti-life equation and has destroyed the fourth world if you put him up against galactus, galactus will lose horribly. The point of all this is that none of you should judge apoc on his jobber moments but on his good moments which were really good and logical

Originally posted by Mider
you all talk about Apoc like he started out a jobber he wasnt a jobber to begin with thus he cant have been born one my point is they butcher him in stories now a days how would you like a perfectly good character to show up in a lame situation

YES!!!!!!!! MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

I LOVE YOU TOO MIDER.

F*** THE TWELVE SAGA, AND CABLE'S FUTURE TIMELINE, ETC!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Mider
The point of all this is that none of you should judge apoc on his jobber moments but on his good moments which were really good and logical

WORDS.....
SHOULD HAVE SENT.....A POET!

Also, I am THE greatest Apocalypse fan ever,........yes I.....

............I love apocalypse.

I Do, I just .....LOOOOOOOOOOOOVVE HIM!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by grey fox
Apocalypse lords over others declaring himself the 'top dog' so to speak . But it is fact [b]he who is lacking in power , he has been stalemated by lower groups many-a-time. I have even heard of him running from a table leg .[/B]

No.......no, that's not right either. ❌ ❌ ❌ 🤨 🤨

What do you mean "table-leg"??? Do you mean when he was fighting blackpanther?

Hey Mider, don't forget the time thanos got arrested by human police, and taken away in HANDCUFFS!!! That was when i believe, someone else was writing...

thanos arrested by human police? tries to hold back vomiting

It happened, I'm serious! Total hysterics hystierics, damn! How do you spell that?!

A couple of administrative notes here:

1) The Thanos who was beaten by Tarza...er, Kazaar was, in fact, a low grade clone, as Thanos revealed later.

2) The Thanos arrested by police and taken away in handcuffs by the NYPD was part of some kind of promotional kids comic book that was entirely non-canon.

3) Apocalypse stalemating Loki was generally seen as a high feat for Apocalypse, since Loki was written at his most powerful during that time. Be proud of it

4) The "table leg" incident refers to Apoc ducking when Namor threw a table at him. The thought goes that if Apoc were as bad ass as people would have him believe, he wouldn't have to run for his life from a simple wooden table...it would just harmlessly bounce off of him.

5) Apoc did indeed enhance his powers with Celestial tech, which is how he developed the buttload of powers he has today. Prior to that, his only power was high level shapeshifting. His energy wielding, levitation, and occasional psi-oriented abilities are all from his tech. His mutant power is self molecular control. What effect that has on his strength is in question, since Apoc's only real superhuman strength feat was restraining the Hulk, but given his position relative to the Hulk's, Spider-Man could have restrained Hulk the same way if he were taller, so it's not a really great strength feat.

6)Apoc should be written more powerfully than he is, but nobody should be pitting him against the likes of Thanos or Darkseid just because they're all blue/grey and scary.

7)Magneto seems to own Apoc in every timeline. Must be Marvel's way of telling us something

8) It's "hysterics".

9)Welcome to the board Apocalypse Nur.

That concludes the administrative notes for the day.

Carry on!