Apocalypse vs Dracula

Originally posted by demigawd
A couple of administrative notes here:

1) The Thanos who was beaten by Tarza...er, Kazaar was, in fact, a low grade clone, as Thanos revealed later.

2) The Thanos arrested by police and taken away in handcuffs by the NYPD was part of some kind of promotional kids comic book that was entirely non-canon.

3) Apocalypse stalemating Loki was generally seen as a high feat for Apocalypse, since Loki was written at his most powerful during that time. Be proud of it

4) The "table leg" incident refers to Apoc ducking when Namor threw a table at him. The thought goes that if Apoc were as bad ass as people would have him believe, he wouldn't have to run for his life from a simple wooden table...it would just harmlessly bounce off of him.

5) Apoc did indeed enhance his powers with Celestial tech, which is how he developed the buttload of powers he has today. Prior to that, his only power was high level shapeshifting. His energy wielding, levitation, and occasional psi-oriented abilities are all from his tech. His mutant power is self molecular control. What effect that has on his strength is in question, since Apoc's only real superhuman strength feat was restraining the Hulk, but given his position relative to the Hulk's, Spider-Man could have restrained Hulk the same way if he were taller, so it's not a really great strength feat.

6)Apoc should be written more powerfully than he is, but nobody should be pitting him against the likes of Thanos or Darkseid just because they're all blue/grey and scary.

7)Magneto seems to own Apoc in every timeline. Must be Marvel's way of telling us something

8) It's "hysterics".

9)Welcome to the board Apocalypse Nur.

That concludes the administrative notes for the day.

Carry on!

that was informative and entertaining, thank you

Apoc has been shown to own magneto thats what i saw in a pic on panal anyway he was making mags his maidservent.

Originally posted by Mider
Apoc has been shown to own magneto thats what i saw in a pic on panal anyway he was making mags his maidservent.

When was this? In every timeline, every encounter they've had, Apoc has lost. In HoM, he was working basically as Magneto's hitman and given some scraps of land in Northern Africa as his reward. If that's not ownage, I don't know what is.

Originally posted by demigawd
4) The "table leg" incident refers to Apoc ducking when Namor threw a table at him. The thought goes that if Apoc were as bad ass as people would have him believe, he wouldn't have to run for his life from a simple wooden table...it would just harmlessly bounce off of him.

if you are saying that apoc can take tank fire, but not a table to the chest you are dumb 😉, he just ducked. can anybody name an actual event that set apocalypse on his knees??? not running. apocalypse is just a wierd character. it seems that he tries to set in motion a plan, and when the plan fails (not apocalypse, or his abilities physically) he leaves the situation... which is what happened in this case. alot of cases actually. not because he is forceably removed... thats just silly.

Originally posted by demigawd
5) Apoc did indeed enhance his powers with Celestial tech, which is how he developed the buttload of powers he has today. Prior to that, his only power was high level shapeshifting. His energy wielding, levitation, and occasional psi-oriented abilities are all from his tech. His mutant power is self molecular control. What effect that has on his strength is in question, since Apoc's only real superhuman strength feat was restraining the Hulk, but given his position relative to the Hulk's, Spider-Man could have restrained Hulk the same way if he were taller, so it's not a really great strength feat.

actually, again, can you prove that celestial tech is what apocalypse used to boost his abilities?? or do you just read the same as i do, and apoc has access to it??? cause if you read the rise of apocalypse 4 part mini series, you would know this is completely false. in the story, it tells of apocalypses origins, and how he became... himself. he was stabbed through the chest long before his mutant powers manifested, and survived (not just stabbed, but litterally almost torn in half). he could also hall around stones that built the pyramids by himself. 2 at a time... which weigh several tons. this was before his powers manifested also. he also had the ability to grown in height and had much greater strength once they did manifest. so to say that it all simply came from tech would be an error on your part cause this happend long before he acquired that technology...

Originally posted by demigawd
6)Apoc should be written more powerfully than he is, but nobody should be pitting him against the likes of Thanos or Darkseid just because they're all blue/grey and scary.

well this is opinion... cause i like apocalypse better than thanos or darkseid...

Originally posted by demigawd
7)Magneto seems to own Apoc in every timeline. Must be Marvel's way of telling us something

actually can you give me an example of this??? besides the 1 incident of Age of apocalypse????????? cause in every incident i see it takes magneto, his brotherhood, or the x-men just to even remotely fight apocalypse... even then its not apoc that runs or has a reason to leave. hmmm, you are right, marvel must be trying to tell us something there.

Originally posted by KillAll
if you are saying that apoc can take tank fire, but not a table to the chest you are dumb 😉,

i know what it was meant to imply... but that doesnt make it true. the only time that i can recall apoc really getting beat up was by stryfe just as apocalypse awoke from his rejuvination (spelling???) chamber...

its just like saying, thing CAN take shots from the hulk, but he would rather duck.

just because you CAN take a shot to the chest, doesnt mean you have to.

Rejuvenation.

Oh, and his original power before addition of Celestial technology was simply self-molecular control. He also isn't a true "immortal mutant". A limestone pyramid block on average weighs 2 or 3 tons. He struggled to move it.

Originally posted by KillAll
if you are saying that apoc can take tank fire, but not a table to the chest you are dumb 😉

Don't yell at me, yell at the writers. I'm not drawing conclusions based on that, just stating that it happened.

, he just ducked. can anybody name an actual event that set apocalypse on his knees???

You mean aside from Magneto ripping him in half, Stryfe throwing him around the room and impaling him, the Dark Riders killing him, Cyclops blowing up him, Jean Grey ripping him open, Cable dispersing his essence, Cyclops/Phoenix/Little Nate disintegrating him and being turned to stone by a guy with a gun?

not running. apocalypse is just a wierd character. it seems that he tries to set in motion a plan, and when the plan fails (not apocalypse, or his abilities physically) he leaves the situation... which is what happened in this case. alot of cases actually. not because he is forceably removed... thats just silly.

Aside from all the above examples, I agree. 😕

actually, again, can you prove that celestial tech is what apocalypse used to boost his abilities?? or do you just read the same as i do, and apoc has access to it??? cause if you read the rise of apocalypse 4 part mini series, you would know this is completely false. in the story, it tells of apocalypses origins, and how he became... himself. he was stabbed through the chest long before his mutant powers manifested, and survived (not just stabbed, but litterally almost torn in half). he could also hall around stones that built the pyramids by himself. 2 at a time... which weigh several tons. this was before his powers manifested also. he also had the ability to grown in height and had much greater strength once they did manifest. so to say that it all simply came from tech would be an error on your part cause this happend long before he acquired that technology...

You missed what I said. I said that Apoc's ONLY mutant ability is molecular self-control. He can alter his molecular structure to give himself any number of shapes and sizes, and of course increasing his strength as a result. That's his mutant power, and that's the only power shown in Rise of Apocalypse. You didnt see him flying around in that story, right? You didn't see him energy blasting anybody, right? You didn't see him teleporting, right? No telepathic attacks or telekinetic blasts or anything else, right?

Because he didn't get any of that until after subdued Saul and entered Ship.

well this is opinion... cause i like apocalypse better than thanos or darkseid...

I can see that. But objectively speaking, do you believe that their feats make them equal, or Apoc their superior?

actually can you give me an example of this??? besides the 1 incident of Age of apocalypse????????? cause in every incident i see it takes magneto, his brotherhood, or the x-men just to even remotely fight apocalypse... even then its not apoc that runs or has a reason to leave. hmmm, you are right, marvel must be trying to tell us something there.

HoM - Apoc was Magneto's little servant boy. The backstory was that Apoc and Magneto got into a fight, Magneto won, but in all his infinite glory and wisdom (and to rub it in), he let Apoc live and offered him a job. Apoc accepted it and in exchange, Magneto gave Apoc some desert land to rule over, and does his dirty work when summoned.

Sounds like ownage to me.

Magneto has never fought Apoc other than those two times. But even in the cartoon, Magneto tossed Apoc threw a wall, and he needed his Horsemen to bail him out.

um, no he didnt, it showed no sign of resistance, and he was moving 2 at a time, by himself and hoisting them up on his back. this was BEFORE his mutant powers manifested. so i'd say its safe to assume that once he did, he was well above that strength. he could also grow in size, shape shift, but it only shows the first few minutes of his mutant powers manifesting themselves... so we are not sure what hes capable of without the tech. to assume everything came from that is PURE speculation.

i thought AoA wasnt canon so why is anyone bringing it up?

oh and in the cartoon apoc also fought magneto and the x-men. i didnt read house of m, but wasnt the reality altered by scarlet witch??? something to that affect???

He was dragging a block, singular. There was no hoisting. I can post scans if necessary but I'd really rather not have to bother.

Originally posted by Mider
i thought AoA wasnt canon so why is anyone bringing it up?

It's canon, because it's not a What If...it's an altered timeline. The same characters in different situations. We know the breaking off point (20 years before), and we know that it's the same Apoc, because he saw what was happening BEFORE the timeline broke. It's the same Apoc.

he was old anyway so it doesnt really matter to me his powers were to much for his body to hold can mags say his powers are to much for his body to hold no i dont think so instead of letting that planet die thor should have called in mags to help stop exitar since his powers are so great over even celestial armer

Originally posted by KillAll
oh and in the cartoon apoc also fought magneto and the x-men. i didnt read house of m, but wasnt the reality altered by scarlet witch??? something to that affect???

In the cartoon, Magneto fought Apoc one on one and Magneto tossed him out of a building where Apoc was going to fall for all time until his Horsemen rescued him. I'd say Magneto won that encounter, too.

Magneto DID get owned in X-men Evolution, but that Apoc had NOTHING at all in common with the Apoc we know. Different origin, different powers, different personality, different purpose...may as well be a different character. And X-men Evolution Magneto was so weak he lost to Colossus just because switched from metal form to flesh form! LOL!

Originally posted by Mider
he was old anyway so it doesnt really matter to me his powers were to much for his body to hold can mags say his powers are to much for his body to hold no i dont think so instead of letting that planet die thor should have called in mags to help stop exitar since his powers are so great over even celestial armer

Who was old? Apoc? Apoc in AOA was the same age as Apoc today.

magneto, on the other hand, was much older in AOA than he is today. At least biologically.

And Magneto DID destroy Apoc's Ship, so...that's some serious power.

tossing someone out of the window doesnt really mean they owned him in another cartoon apocalypse was shown to fly shouldnt have happend and he over powered mags before he got thrown out the building the mags beam was over powered by Apocalypse beam

Originally posted by Mider
tossing someone out of the window doesnt really mean they owned him in another cartoon apocalypse was shown to fly shouldnt have happend and he over powered mags before he got thrown out the building the mags beam was over powered by Apocalypse beam

Except Apoc would have fallen forever if he didn't get help. That's a pretty clean win. Apoc has shown the ability to levitate, but not fly. There's a big difference between the two.

He didn't overpower Magneto with his blast. That was how Apoc got into that trouble in the first place. Magneto knocked Apoc into the wall, then they blasted each other, then magneto blasted Apoc again and Apoc went flying out the window.

um yeah he did mags jumped and shot him again and that blast threw him out the window and he was shown in an earlier episode to fly away after a battle with the x-men it was when archangel thought he had found a way to kill him but it was a trick by apoc just to mess with his head i guess.