Originally posted by Darth_Erebus
They faced each other in an old issue of Sensational She Hulk when she went back in time and faced the "All winners squad" in the 1940s consisting of Captian America, Miss America, The Original Human Torch and Toro, Whizzer, and yes, Namor. She kicked all their asses, including Namors.
yeah ..... but Namor has gotten more skilled and a lot stronger since those days
Originally posted by TheKahn
I like Namor, but I have to give it to She-Hulk 7/10. She was trained by Cap. America, is nearly as strong as the hulk, and has weird body switching power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/She-Hulk#Powers_and_abilities
Ok so she trained with Captain America. Big deal. So has Nick Fury, Hawkeye, and Falcon, and shes not better than any of them when it comes to h2h combat. Namor whoops Cap when it comes to h2h combat, and Cap > She-Hulk so.......
Like I said, she went back in time to fight a young All winners Squad who came before the Invaders and beat them up. I dont think thats an impressive feat considering Namor was only about 80cl at that time if that? Plus back then, he got weaker way quicker when out of water than he does currently.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Ok so she trained with Captain America. Big deal. So has Nick Fury, Hawkeye, and Falcon, and shes not better than any of them when it comes to h2h combat. Namor whoops Cap when it comes to h2h combat, and Cap > She-Hulk so.......
Thats a very superficial analysis. Namor is not better than Cap h2h. Namor has ridiculous strength in comparison to Cap which backs up what skills he does have. So.......Nothing.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Like I said, she went back in time to fight a young All winners Squad who came before the Invaders and beat them up. I dont think thats an impressive feat considering Namor was only about 80cl at that time if that? Plus back then, he got weaker way quicker when out of water than he does currently.
She hulk was weaker than Namor back then and she was considerably less skilled. Now shes debatably stronger and has further improved her sill set. So it goes both ways. On top of that now She Hulk gets stronger and bulks out when she gets angry enough.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
And she hulk hasnt? If anything she hulk has had the bigger increas in strength without a doubt. Since then shes also been training with Captain America.
And...?
Namor is probably close or equilavent to Captain Americas skills. He punks Cap every time they fight. Cap himself admitted that Namor is faster then he is.
http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/2183/namorfeat87yv.gif
Check the scans by jrodslam:
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invadersfight15tj.jpg
http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=invadersfight35rr.jpg
Like I said, only thing going for She-Hulk is strength. Namor completely outclasses her in experience and skills, and speed. She is not THAT much stronger then Namor, and physically stronger enemies haven't stopped Namor before.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
And...?Namor is probably close or equilavent to Captain Americas skills. He punks Cap every time they fight. Cap himself admitted that Namor is faster then he is.
Theres a difference between physical attributes and skill. Hand to hand Namor is NOT better than Cap. Take away Namors superhuman strength, speed and durability and he will get punked by Cap.
Thats a very superficial analysis. Namor is not better than Cap h2h. Namor has ridiculous strength in comparison to Cap which backs up what skills he does have. So.......Nothing.
Oh please. Best training of Atlantis, warrior nation that existed before Cap's great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was born and a hundred years of fighting against every character of Marvel comics doesn't bring Namor fighting skills equilavent to Cap?
He actually has more fighting experience then Cap does.
Originally posted by GalacticStormShe hulk was weaker than Namor back then and she was considerably less skilled. Now shes debatably stronger and has further improved her sill set. So it goes both ways. On top of that now She Hulk gets stronger and bulks out when she gets angry enough.
Thats debatable, and until she surpass someone who is validly stronger than Namor i disagree. Feat wise Namor is far beyond her !
"On top of that now She Hulk gets stronger and bulks out when she gets angry enough"
This has only happened on two ocassions, and both of which are unlikely to be repeated again, something you would know if you had read volume 3 avangers. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres a difference between physical attributes and skill. Hand to hand Namor is NOT better than Cap. Take away Namors superhuman strangth and durability and he will get punked by Cap.
Punked. 🙄
Namor is VERY highly trained fighter. Read my above post.
Namor is able to go hand to hand with etc. Thor. You are not saying that Thor is not good hand to hand fighter? What about Hercules? Namor has gone against him too, and haven't lost.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Oh please. Best training of Atlantis, warrior nation that existed before Cap's great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was born and a hundred years of fighting against every character of Marvel comics doesn't bring Namor fighting skills equilavent to Cap?He actually has more fighting experience then Cap does.
But Cap is Cap, and there for he is better. But to suggest that She Hulk is on Namor's level due to a few training sessions is just retarded !
Originally posted by yahman
Thats debatable, and until she surpass someone who is validly stronger than Namor i disagree. Feat wise Namor is far beyond her !
She hulk is considerably stronger than current herc who i believe is slightly stronger than if not on a par with Namor.
Originally posted by yahman
"On top of that now She Hulk gets stronger and bulks out when she gets angry enough"This has only happened on two ocassions, and both of which are unlikely to be repeated again, something you would know if you had read volume 3 avangers. 😉
Two occassions by different writers is quite enough for it to be considered a valid ability of hers. So much for the smugness. Allow me to direct you to the forum rules where you can find out for yourself. 😉
Originally posted by yahman
But Cap is Cap, and there for he is better. But to suggest that She Hulk is on Namor's level due to a few training sessions is just retarded !
Please quote any part of my contribution to this thread to show me where i said She hulk was a better fighter than Namor. 🙄
Read and acknowledge contributions properly prior to opening your mouth. Just a lil friendly advice. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
She hulk is considerably stronger than current herc who i believe is slightly stronger than if not on a par with Namor.Two occassions by different writers is quite enough for it to be considered a valid ability of hers. So much for the smugness. Allow me to direct you to the forum rules where you can find out for yourself. 😉
The conditions are set and the trap is sprung ! G.S. what exactly happened on those two SEPERATE ocassions ? 😉
"She hulk is considerably stronger than current herc who i believe is slightly stronger than if not on a par with Namor. "
The word considerable, is quite a strong one ! We know that she is stronger, but considerably ? NO evidence mate ! And I doubt that current Herc is as strong as a best showing, Hulk/Abomination/Thor beating/ocean Liner lifting Namor !
🙂
Originally posted by yahman
The conditions are set and the trap is sprung ! G.S. what exactly happened on those two SEPERATE ocassions ? 😉
As a she hulk fan i can also inform you of the various occassions in her first title Savage She hulk where she increased in strength temporarily with anger. Good try.
Originally posted by yahman
"She hulk is considerably stronger than current herc who i believe is slightly stronger than if not on a par with Namor. "The word considerable, is quite a strong one ! We know that she is stronger, but considerably ? NO evidence mate ! And I doubt that current Herc is as strong as a best showing, Hulk/Abomination/Thor beating/ocean Liner lifting Namor !
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I dont believe the word considerably is too much at all. She said Hercules was giving it his all and she wasnt even trying. On top of that her strength was regulated by her Jupiter suit whilst arm wrestling Herc. With all that in mind i believe my terming is quite adequate. Wouldnt you agree? 🙂
Hasnt Current Herc dragged the Shield Hellicarrier? 😕
Just a thought. 😉
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As a she hulk fan i can also inform you of the various occassions in her first title Savage She hulk where she increased in strength temporarily with anger. Good try.I dont believe the word considerably is too much at all. She said Hercules was giving it his all and she wasn't even trying. On top of that her strength was regulated by her Jupiter suit whilst arm wrestling Herc. With all that in mind i believe my terming is quite adequate. Wouldnt you agree? 🙂
Hasn't Current Hulk dragged the Shield Helli-carrier? 😕
Just a thought. 😉
"Hasn't Current Hulk dragged the Shield Helli-carrier? "
I don't know ? has he ? 🙄 Obviously the pressure is getting to you G ! 🙂 Don't worry it doesn't matter if you are loosing, after all its only a comic book debate 😉 Any way there is a massive difference between dragging an already air borne Shield carrier and lifting one. Namor has lifted Liners of this size, under the water !
"She said Hercules was giving it his all and she wasn't even trying."
From what i recall, this was never said ! Something on the lines of 'i just let that (insult) win that arm wrestle, so i wonder how actually strong i have actually become'
No reference to him giving his all ! 🙂
"On top of that her strength was regulated by her Jupiter suit "
True .... but Reed made it clear that he she had controlled access to ALL her strength ! The jupiter suit is regulating her strength so that she is safer around humans. If she wants to use her full strength she still can.
This really all comes down to interpretation. IMO, considerable means that the character is in a totally different strength category E.G. AS Thor is to the Thing. There is numerous examples of Thor being 100's maybe 1000's of time stronger than the Thing. Is She Hulk 100's to 1000's of times stronger than Herc. I am yet to see the proof. All in all there is little to no proof to suggest she is far above Namor in strength. 🙂
Ooooh how could i forget my little point about 'Savage She HUlk' You do realise that on both occasions external factors, were responsible for her becoming the Savage She Hulk. Your example has been undeniable RETCONED. A scenario I'm assure your familiar with, especially when concerning your beloved Phoenix.
Check that pic:
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/4324/namorfeat823ww.gif
Captain's shield isn't absorbing the impact fully. That's strong. 😱
Originally posted by yahman
"Hasn't Current Hulk dragged the Shield Helli-carrier? "I don't know ? has he ? 🙄 Obviously the pressure is getting to you G ! 🙂 Don't worry it doesn't matter if you are loosing, after all its only a comic book debate 😉 Any way there is a massive difference between dragging an already air borne Shield carrier and lifting one. Namor has lifted Liners of this size, under the water !
Rhetorical question mate dont get too excited. "Pressure getting to me?" "Loosing?" says the boy who just spent the last ten mins typing an essay with an overdose of smilies. Its all about the execution my friend.
Originally posted by yahman
"She said Hercules was giving it his all and she wasn't even trying."From what i recall, this was never said ! Something on the lines of 'i just let that (insult) win that arm wrestle, so i wonder how actually strong i have actually become'
No reference to him giving his all ! 🙂
Incorrect. Mistake or outright lie i can fix it.😉
I quote "The big lug was giving it all he had". So Hercules was going all out yet She hulk was strong enough to feel this and then let him win out of compassion for an old friend. Id say she was presented as considerably stronger.
Anyone interested in making their own interpretations heres a link:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=339632&perpage=20&pagenumber=2
Originally posted by yahman
"On top of that her strength was regulated by her Jupiter suit "True .... but Reed made it clear that he she had controlled access to ALL her strength ! The jupiter suit is regulating her strength so that she is safer around humans. If she wants to use her full strength she still can.
She Hulks suit is kinda like Cyclops visor. It helps her have full conscious control over her abilities. However when she wants to apply her full unbridled strength against something without the need for subtletly or restraint she doesnt wear it. Kind of like how Cyclops takes off his visor when going for broke or as shown in she hulks title how she did when faced with Titania with the power gem.
Originally posted by yahman
This really all comes down to interpretation. IMO, considerable means that the character is in a totally different strength category E.G. AS Thor is to the Thing. There is numerous examples of Thor being 100's maybe 1000's of time stronger than the Thing. Is She Hulk 100's to 1000's of times stronger than Herc. I am yet to see the proof. All in all there is little to no proof to suggest she is far above Namor ion strength. 🙂
Well your opinion isnt law or conclusive im afraid. 🙁
Here is a definition of considerable:
2. Of some distinction; noteworthy; influential; respectable;
-- said of persons.
To be able to allow Herc to win an arm wrestle while he's going all out is certainly a distinctive and noteworthy feat in my opinion. So saying She Hulk is considerably stronger means that she stronger to the point of it being apparent when their strengths are pitted against one and other. The arm wrestling scene showed this quite nicely. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Rhetorical question mate dont get too excited. "Pressure getting to me?" "Loosing?" says the boy who just spent the last ten mins typing an essay with an overdose of smilies. Its all about the execution my friend.Incorrect. Mistake or outright lie i can fix it.😉
I quote "The big lug was giving it all he had". So Hercules was going all out yet She hulk was strong enough to feel this and then let him win out of compassion for an old friend. Id say she was presented as considerably stronger.
Anyone interested in making their own interpretations heres a link:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=339632&perpage=20&pagenumber=2
She Hulks suit is kinda like Cyclops visor. It helps her have full conscious control over her abilities. However when she wants to apply her full unbridled strength against something without the need for subtlety or restraint she doesn't wear it. Kind of like how Cyclops takes off his visor when going for broke or as shown in she hulks title how she did when faced with Titania with the power gem.
Well your opinion isnt law or conclusive im afraid. 🙁
Here is a definition of considerable:
2. Of some distinction; noteworthy; influential; respectable;
-- said of persons.To be able to allow Herc to win an arm wrestle while he's going all out id certainly a distinctive and noteworthy feat in my opinion. So saying She Hulk is considerably stronger means that she stronger to the point of it being apparent when their strengths are pitted against one and other. The the arm wrestling scene showed this quite nicely. 🙂
"She Hulks suit is kinda like Cyclops visor. It helps her have full conscious control over her abilities. However when she wants to apply her full unbridled strength against something without the need for subtlety or restraint she doesn't wear it. Kind of like how Cyclops takes off his visor when going for broke or as shown in she hulks title how she did when faced with Titania with the power gem. "
I don't recall Reed describing it quite like that 🙄
And on the subject of about opinions :
"On top of that now She Hulk gets stronger and bulks out when she gets angry enough."
Namor written well is at least on par with Mortal Herc so plus the extra skill and superior durability, i believe he wins.
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